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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: -duma- on February 23, 2001, 01:22:00 PM
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Were any aircraft created during WWII suitable for a possible perk torpedo bomber? Also as a non-perk I'm very keen on the idea of the Beaufighter torpedo bomber (would stop planes taking off the carrier trying to HO me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) but how many torps did they carry?
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Duma, check out the Aichi B7A-2 Ryusei (Shooting Star) Codenamed: 'Grace'
Late War Japanese single engine torpedo bomber, but it had very low production and there were no carriers left from which to operate, so they were all land based.
I did a writeup on them a long time ago, but it still applies, at:
http://www.vermin.net/archives/B7A-2.htm (http://www.vermin.net/archives/B7A-2.htm)
Of course there are also P1Y "Frances" Medium Bomber and Ki-67 "Peggy" Medium Bomber that were both very capable in the torpedo attack role, but I wouldn't expect either of them to be perked.
Just a few that quickly came to mind.
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They dropped torpedo's with the P38
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They could give us the DO-217 with Hs293-A1 Anti shipping missiles (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) 500kg warhead, max range of 5km when launched at 25,000ft. Range of 4km when launched at 17,000ft.
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F7F-3 could carry a torp I think? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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They could give us the DO-217 with Hs293-A1 Anti shipping missiles 500kg warhead, max range of 5km when launched at 25,000ft. Range of 4km when launched at 17,000ft.
Umm a normal bomb goes 4.7 miles in ah when dropped from a bomber because it stays directly under it...so a normal bomb would go further than that missle in this game..
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juzz said:
> F7F-3 could carry a torp I think?
Yep, all F7F's could carry one 21 inch torp. No fear of head-on's, with four 20mm and
four.50mgs. all pointing forward :-)
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SM.79 was considered one of the best torpedo bombers of the war, and it is Italian- definitely a side lacking planes at the moment.
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Forgot the designation, but wasn't the Japanese "Tenzen" the successor to the Kate? It too should have good performance...
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
Umm a normal bomb goes 4.7 miles in ah when dropped from a bomber because it stays directly under it...so a normal bomb would go further than that missle in this game..
Huh? Haven't you started enough "bombs have no E" threads. Read the thread title. It was asking for suggestions for a perk bomber, not for the 50th whine about something that has been beaten into the ground.
Hs293 would be a good perkable weapon. The Fritz-X glide bomb woud be another nice option.
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Huh? Haven't you started enough "bombs have no E" threads. Read the thread title. It was asking for suggestions for a perk bomber, not for the 50th whine about something that has been beaten into the ground
No I wasnt stating the facts again, i was just saying that that weapon would be useless in ah because it wouldent go further than a normal bomb.
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
No I wasnt stating the facts again, i was just saying that that weapon would be useless in ah because it wouldent go further than a normal bomb.
Wobble, crack open a physics book, then tell me how something with 2 rocket engines isn't going to go farther than something that has no propulsion? Also, I'd like to hear why it is you think that bombs fall right underneath the bomber? And don't give me the shadow crap, has nothing to do with it. According to your theory, the bombs fall straight down. If that were so, you could just do an orbit over an airfield dropping bombs, right? You wouldn't need to get into the bombsight until you were RIGHT over the target. The bombs have a trajectory which I am too lazy to figure out right now, but it would be a function of the planes speed, altitude, gravity, and the terminal velocity of the bombs.
So, all things being equal, how does adding propulsion to the formula not increase range?
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Wobble, crack open a physics book, then tell me how something with 2 rocket engines isn't going to go farther than something that has no propulsion?
the specks given were max range of 5km when launched at 25,000ft
Raub, when you drop the bombs they stay even with the bomber until they hit the groun in AH they wouldent really do that IRL but in ah they do.
25,000 is about 4.7 miles
so since the bombs stay right under the bomber in ah they will go foreward about almost 5 miles before they hit the ground (speed sensitive of course)
so a rocket bomb that only went 5 km foreward from 25,000 feet wouldent have any more range than a normal bomb in AH.
unless the bomber was going VERY slow (155-175) about then the rocket bomb would go further but who goes that slow?
According to your theory, the bombs fall straight down
No they just stay even with the bomber once dropped, im not saying the fall straight down..never did.
So, all things being equal, how does adding propulsion to the formula not increase range?
It should, but in AH drag is not modeled on the bombs so they carry further than they would in real life, thats why they stay right under the bomber till they hit the ground.
a rocket bomb traveling only 5km sure doesent sound like very far considering it is dropped from 25,000 feet..not far at all..that doesent sound right.
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u = initial velocity(=0 in this case)
t = time
a = acceleration
s = displacement
Using the formula: s = u*t + 0.5*a*t^2
We get a time of 39.44 seconds for a bomb to reach the ground when dropped from an altitude of 25,000ft(without drag).
In that time a bomber travelling at 250mph covers 2.74 miles - not 4.7 miles, for that you would need a bomber doing 429mph.
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Thats assuming there aren't any winds aloft! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Oh, give me a Tigercat! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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u = initial velocity(=0 in this case)
t = time
a = acceleration
s = displacement
Using the formula: s = u*t + 0.5*a*t^2
We get a time of 39.44 seconds for a bomb to reach the ground when dropped from an altitude of 25,000ft(without drag).
In that time a bomber travelling at 250mph covers 2.74 miles - not 4.7 miles, for that you would need a bomber doing 429mph.
Thanks for the math juzz, gues I was a little off..but STILL
2.7 miles vs 5km,..hardly an advantage.
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Wobble, let me make it a bit simpler. YOu are going 50mph in your 4x4 pickup truck with the gun rack and the nekkid lady mudflaps. You drop an unlit bottle rocket. Then you drop a lit bottle rocket. Which one is going to go farther? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Sundog said:
> Oh, give me a Tigercat!
If I had to one plane to everything, the F7F is in the top three, and unlike two of the
others, it's a carrier plane :-)
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Dino in Reno
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Wobble, let me make it a bit simpler. YOu are going 50mph in your 4x4 pickup truck with the gun rack and the nekkid lady mudflaps. You drop an unlit bottle rocket. Then you drop a lit bottle rocket. Which one is going to go farther?
I know which will go further rip, but look at the numbers will ya..
let Me make it simple..
NORMAL BOMB IN AH DROPPED FROM 25,000 FEET GOING 250MPH
DINSTANCE IT GOES FOREWARD: 2.74 miles.
Hs293-A1 Antiship Missle dropped from 25,000 feet.
DISTANCE IT GOES FOREWARD: 3.1 miles (5km)
so basically the missle will only go .4 miles further than the missle BASED ON THE NUMBERS GIVEN FOR THE MISSLE AND THE ACTUAL NUMBERS IN AH.
So like I said IN AH the missle wouldent offer much of any advantage (.4 mile advantage from 25k)
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You do realize that the propulsion on the rocket is about 1/4 as effective when dropped from 25k then it is at 17k compared to a bomb right wobble?
Basically at 25k it is a bomb that has a few seconds of acceleration- at 17k it's a missile because as you get lower the time spent under power to the time spent being ballistic ratio changes.
And lastly your aware of the fact that aiming this thing at either altitude would approach the requirement of a computer or very sophisticated equipment. It's meant to be fired withing a couple thousand feet of the ship so it's still producing thrust when it hits and makes the ballistic curve easier that a torpedo to aim.
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Sorrow, he gave me numbers from 25k so i was assuming it was used from 25k, so my reply is besed on the idea of launching it at 25k... from lower, YES it would be better than a bomb..but not from 25k