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Title: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 01, 2009, 10:15:44 PM
Ok, I've been away for a year or so.  Last I remember, the Vader took 2nd place to the P-39 in a community-wide vote.  So, we have the P-39.  Any news on when we'll see the Vader (my vote)?

Thanks much.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Karnak on April 01, 2009, 10:21:22 PM
Ok, I've been away for a year or so.  Last I remember, the Vader took 2nd place to the P-39 in a community-wide vote.  So, we have the P-39.  Any news on when we'll see the Vader (my vote)?

Thanks much.
It took third place, the P-39 took second and the B-25 took first.

I doubt HTC is going down the list in order as the vote was a one off intended to choose the single next aircraft.  The fact that the B-25 beat the P-39 by less than 1% was, I think, a significant factor in the P-39 being added after the B-25.

The B-239 Buffalo placed quite poorly in the vote, yet it seems likely to be added in the next version given Pyro's request for data on it.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 01, 2009, 10:31:39 PM
Ah, okay.

I don't mind the Buffalo, but I think we need the Vader more -- solid dive bomber with a bigger payload than the other jabos.  Able to fight once she has dropped her eggs.  Mmmm...I miss the Vader in AW. 
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Banshee7 on April 01, 2009, 10:34:22 PM
A-20 does nicely, too  :aok
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 01, 2009, 10:37:43 PM
A-20 does nicely, too  :aok

The A-20's that I remember in AH tended to lose their elevators (lol) -- haven't had the chance to fly one since returning last month, but I doubt it's changed.

If you like the A-20, you'd love the A-26.  She's a dream.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: MachFly on April 01, 2009, 10:55:14 PM
Any news on when we'll see the Vader

I know I kinda sound stupid asking this, But what's a vader? The only vader I know is from Star Wars, I tried googling for it and found nothing.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 01, 2009, 10:57:11 PM
I know I kinda sound stupid asking this, But what's a vader? The only vader I know is from Star Wars, I tried googling for it and found nothing.

A-26 Invader.  :)

Check 'er out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-26_Invader

Great bird!

Title: Re: Vader
Post by: MachFly on April 01, 2009, 11:17:05 PM
A-26 Invader.  :)

Check 'er out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-26_Invader

Great bird!



oh Invader, rgr thanks
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: phatzo on April 01, 2009, 11:33:47 PM
Must have been good to remain in military service until 1972
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Fianna on April 02, 2009, 01:04:36 AM
It would be a good way to spend bomber perks.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Karnak on April 02, 2009, 01:05:45 AM
It would be a good way to spend bomber perks.
That is the only argument for adding the A-26 soonish that I see as valid.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Anaxogoras on April 02, 2009, 01:22:34 AM
Oh yeah!  Another American plane! w00t!
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: BnZs on April 02, 2009, 01:35:21 AM
Oh yeah!  Another American plane! w00t!

Its a wonder we ever get any planes at all, since someone always has a good reason why any plane proposed absolutely should not be added to the game next. :devil

You should be complaining not because its American, but because it's another flying truck whose primary purpose is to tool-shed and annoy GV fights.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Anaxogoras on April 02, 2009, 01:38:53 AM
You should be complaining not because its American, but because it's another flying truck whose primary purpose is to tool-shed and annoy GV fights.  :rolleyes:

I thought of that!  I really did! :rofl
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 02, 2009, 02:22:56 AM
You should be complaining not because its American, but because it's another flying truck whose primary purpose is to tool-shed and annoy GV fights.  :rolleyes:

You'll see the Vader win quite a few fights when she's light. 

Title: Re: Vader
Post by: phatzo on April 02, 2009, 02:41:56 AM
Its a wonder we ever get any planes at all, since someone always has a good reason why any plane proposed absolutely should not be added to the game next. :devil

You should be complaining not because its American, but because it's another flying truck whose primary purpose is to tool-shed and annoy GV fights.  :rolleyes:
noone argued my boomerang suggestion and we'll probably never see it in ah
so they nay sayers may get all the stuff they don't want.
Enduro, love the scrag fight avatar
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 02, 2009, 02:56:40 AM
I don't know a whole lot about the Boomerang, but I see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_Boomerang) that only 250 were built.  That may be the primary reason the plane won't see it's day in AH. 

But hell, you know, we should have at least one aircraft representing each country that fought in WW2.  (of course, I'm not the developer putting in countless hours to make a flyable model here; so, maybe it's easy for me to demand at least 1 aircraft per country. hehe)

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Enduro, love the scrag fight avatar

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Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 02, 2009, 03:05:56 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy47Z12Lsw4&NR=1

That Boomerang has a loud whine (for lack of a better word) to it -- you can hear it coming from 3 miles away.  :)  Looks like it has very good maneuverability, though.  Nice plane. 
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: phatzo on April 02, 2009, 03:56:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy47Z12Lsw4&NR=1

That Boomerang has a loud whine (for lack of a better word) to it -- you can hear it coming from 3 miles away.  :)  Looks like it has very good maneuverability, though.  Nice plane. 
nice find
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: doc1kelley on April 02, 2009, 09:30:29 AM
Its a wonder we ever get any planes at all, since someone always has a good reason why any plane proposed absolutely should not be added to the game next. :devil

You should be complaining not because its American, but because it's another flying truck whose primary purpose is to tool-shed and annoy GV fights.  :rolleyes:

Not exactly.  We had the Vader in AirWarrior and a lot of us would up it without bombs and fly it like a big P-38.  As I recall Bison was probably one of the best Vader pilots back then.

All the Best...

    Jay
 awDoc1
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: BnZs on April 02, 2009, 09:46:35 AM
Not exactly.  We had the Vader in AirWarrior and a lot of us would up it without bombs and fly it like a big P-38.  As I recall Bison was probably one of the best Vader pilots back then.

All the Best...

    Jay
 awDoc1

 :rofl

Yeah, Widewing and Snaphook will be pwn'ing people in the thing.

The other 500 people in the MAs though will be tool-shedding and annoying GV fights with the thing. :P

If we are going to add another Big Ugly Flying F****, lets at least make it the He-111, since no one will fly it outside of Scenarios anyway. :aok
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Karnak on April 02, 2009, 09:51:11 AM
I don't know a whole lot about the Boomerang, but I see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_Boomerang) that only 250 were built.  That may be the primary reason the plane won't see it's day in AH. 

But hell, you know, we should have at least one aircraft representing each country that fought in WW2.  (of course, I'm not the developer putting in countless hours to make a flyable model here; so, maybe it's easy for me to demand at least 1 aircraft per country. hehe)

 :D
Then look at the Ki-43.  Over 5000 built and served from the first day of WWII to the last day of WWII, being the mainline fighter of the IJA for more than half of the war.

Sure, it won't see as heavy use in the MA as the A-26, but it was a much more significant aircraft in WWII.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: BnZs on April 02, 2009, 09:56:54 AM
Then look at the Ki-43.  Over 5000 built and served from the first day of WWII to the last day of WWII, being the mainline fighter of the IJA for more than half of the war.

Sure, it won't see as heavy use in the MA as the A-26, but it was a much more significant aircraft in WWII.

More importantly, its a fighter.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Yeager on April 02, 2009, 09:58:18 AM
With the A20 performing as well as it does as a fighter/bomber I think the need for an A20 type fighter/bomber is pretty well taken care of, don't you  :lol

Lots of stuff has a higher priority than the A26.  For me an SB2C would be nice,  P400, P63, He111, GM4, Ki43, Ki45, Ki100.......M10, Panther, JS1, KV1........thats just pre top of the head stuff.

I would love to have the B29 in game.  Although just thinking about the low level LANC suicide squads does tend to turns me off to the whole idea of more Allied heavy bombers.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Anaxogoras on April 02, 2009, 10:01:22 AM
We need the Ki-43 for FSO/Scenarios, no doubt about it, though I can't say I would want to fly one.  In Il-2 in a Pacific campaign I saddled up on a Buffalo and gave him nearly the entire clip of ammunition (2x7.7mm Ki-43-la) without so much as smoking the engine. :lol  The Hurricane IIs are easier to shoot down, however, and the P-39/P-400 lights on fire nicely with the bb's.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: BnZs on April 02, 2009, 10:08:19 AM
We need the Ki-43 for FSO/Scenarios, no doubt about it, though I can't say I would want to fly one.  In Il-2 in a Pacific campaign I saddled up on a Buffalo and gave him nearly the entire clip of ammunition (2x7.7mm Ki-43-la) without so much as smoking the engine. :lol  The Hurricane IIs are easier to shoot down, however, and the P-39/P-400 lights on fire nicely with the bb's.

Il2 has some bizarre ideas about weapon effectiveness or lack thereof though.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 02, 2009, 02:55:37 PM
Come on, guys.  We all know HT has a marketing agenda and an unrelenting need to promote US-built iron.   :D

When I tell people about AH, I hate it when the subject of the Vader - or the lack thereof - comes up.  It's a shock to anyone that we don't have the Vader.  The game is incomplete without the Vader.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Anaxogoras on April 02, 2009, 02:57:58 PM
Come on, guys.  We all know HT has a marketing agenda and an unrelenting need to promote US-built iron.   :D

When I tell people about AH, I hate it when the subject of the Vader - or the lack thereof - comes up.  It's a shock to anyone that we don't have the Vader.  The game is incomplete without the Vader.

You mean it's a shock to your American friends who are more interested in domestically built, steroid-injected, late-war bomb-trucks than they are in aircraft that had a much larger role to play in WW2.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 02, 2009, 03:29:55 PM
You mean it's a shock to your American friends who are more interested in domestically built, steroid-injected, late-war bomb-trucks than they are in aircraft that had a much larger role to play in WW2.

Well, I'm glad you didn't let my exaggeration set you off like a firecracker.   :salute

I'm tellin' ya, though...the Vader is a fighter-bomber.  Judging by how some of these people fly, you could beat 'em in an angles fight with a space station much less the venerable A-26 Invader.  :D
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enker on April 02, 2009, 04:28:52 PM
Well, I'm glad you didn't let my exaggeration set you off like a firecracker.   :salute

I'm tellin' ya, though...the Vader is a fighter-bomber.  Judging by how some of these people fly, you could beat 'em in an angles fight with a space station much less the venerable A-26 Invader.  :D
Could you use this one?
(http://thebadplus.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/deathstar_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 02, 2009, 04:39:45 PM
I had something like this in mind, really:

(http://butcherbird.net/images/spaceballs/eagle-5-spaceballs.jpg)

(http://butcherbird.net/images/spaceballs/spaceballs_61.jpg)

Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enker on April 02, 2009, 05:14:23 PM
I had something like this in mind, really:

(http://butcherbird.net/images/spaceballs/eagle-5-spaceballs.jpg)

(http://butcherbird.net/images/spaceballs/spaceballs_61.jpg)


Hmm, I think mine is a little roomier...
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 02, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
lol.

just don't come a-knockin' when my space ship is a-rockin' and i'll be fine.  :)
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: curry1 on April 05, 2009, 01:36:03 PM
A-26=B-26

       We already have this plane
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Fianna on April 05, 2009, 01:39:13 PM
 :noid
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 05, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
A-26=B-26

       We already have this plane


they are two different a/c.  thanks, though.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: moot on April 05, 2009, 01:51:10 PM
Tons of more interesting planes.  As it is, it's redundant with the A20.  The Japanese and Russian planeset are more important.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Bronk on April 05, 2009, 07:34:36 PM
A-26=B-26

       We already have this plane
Try a book.
The B-26 was fazed out at wars end and the A-26 Invader was redesignated B-26.
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Banshee7 on April 05, 2009, 10:37:53 PM
A-26=B-26

       We already have this plane



BZZZZZZZZZZT!  Oh, I'm so sorry.  The answer you provided is not the correct answer.  Please buy some books  :aok
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: FYB on April 05, 2009, 10:47:34 PM
A-26=B-26

       We already have this plane
I just can't hold it back, forgive me HTC.

(http://blog.qusan.com/retards.jpg)
Forgive me for the picture.

-FYB
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: AWwrgwy on April 05, 2009, 10:54:36 PM
And I'm supposed to be the negative one.    :D

I agree with the book thing.    :aok

(although, it could be interpreted as an honest, squeeker-like mistake)




wrongway
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Banshee7 on April 05, 2009, 10:56:42 PM
We're in this together Wrongway..remember?  We're in the Wishlist Filter Committee
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: AWwrgwy on April 05, 2009, 11:02:03 PM
We're in this together Wrongway..remember?  We're in the Wishlist Filter Committee

Yeah, I forgot.  I had to go find the script and look up my line:

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I'm totally against it and think you're stupid

I can do no wrong!!11!!!  :rock

 :rofl


wrongway
(too negative?)
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Banshee7 on April 05, 2009, 11:06:29 PM
Can never be too negative...but lets quit hijacking this thread  :D
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: StokesAk on April 05, 2009, 11:11:22 PM
Wrongway *don't* put that commite thing in your sig. (trying to use reverse psychology)  :angel:
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: AWwrgwy on April 05, 2009, 11:24:49 PM
Wrongway *don't* put that commite thing in your sig. (trying to use reverse psychology)  :angel:

My sig is currently full.

Back on topic:

(http://www.manbottle.com/pictures/b-26.jpg)


Seems appropriate.


wrongway
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: TwinEng on April 10, 2009, 06:08:34 AM
It would be a good way to spend bomber perks.

Exactly, buff pilots need SOMETHING ELSE to spend their perk points on, other than the AR234:

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/6/2/1446266.jpg)
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: TwinEng on April 10, 2009, 06:15:38 AM
In Air Warrior, those 8 .50 caliber nose guns of the A-26 would act like a buzz saw on any enemy plane that got in front of it:

(http://www.maxair2air.com/WEB%20MEDIA/AIR-GALLERY/Midland-More/A-26-INVADER-Waco-3.jpg)


It is such an awesome plane.  I cannot believe that folks here don't know more about it:

(http://www.lonestar-mvpa.org/images/2005/05tempbl.JPG)
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: Enduro on April 10, 2009, 06:51:12 AM
That's a beautiful Vader, TwinEng.  We have one like it sitting at KSNA (Santa Ana, CA) most of the year.  It's a sweet bird.

The others on this board are entitled to their own opinions.  Remember, though, that the people in these parts of the forums represent a very small, opinionated group within a much larger community.

I'm a bit surprised at the negative remarks from these few players considering the bird was 3rd in the latest community-wide poles.  From a business/marketing stand point, adding the Vader is a no-brainer.  Since the developers never say anything here, who knows what they're thinking. 
Title: Re: Vader
Post by: FYB on April 10, 2009, 10:07:47 AM
Since the developers never say anything here, who knows what they're thinking. 
Oh by all means, they're always here and we know what they think! :lol

You never see skuzzy coming in to say "its locked" or "this thread is done"?  :rofl

Man, sometimes i just make myself laugh, even though others might not laugh as hard or at all.

-FYB