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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DEEC0NX on April 05, 2009, 03:32:45 AM
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SB2C HELLDIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SB2C_Helldiver
I think it would be great!!!
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SB2C HELLDIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SB2C_Helldiver
I think it would be a great hangarqueen !!!
fixed.
Sorry but I don't think it would see much usage.
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I'd like to see it added myself one day Deconx.
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fixed.
Sorry but I don't think it would see much usage.
Scenarios and FSO.
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fixed.
Sorry but I don't think it would see much usage.
But it has Da Cannunz.
On a side note, they had a terrible habit of falling apart. Structural integrity problems. The tails fell off. Read of an account where a Marine attack squadron that flew TBMs refused to switch to the Helldiver for this reason.
wrongway
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don't even really need them for scenarios. I'm all for new planes...I'd want to see this plane added, just not for a number of years. There's many more planes that should come first/be updated
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I WANT IT!!!!!!! ITS MY FAVORITE PLANE!!!! :rock
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don't even really need them for scenarios.
First combat 1943 over Rabual, they flew in the battles of the Marianas, and Leyte Gulf and carried out strikes on Formosa.
I'd say they're needed.
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It would be an upgrade to the SBD, I guess well the Pilots who flew them liked the SBD more. but +1 from me
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I think this would actually be a good addition for scenarios, FSO, etc...
And guys, you have to realize, there are guys like myself who prefer to fly hangar queens
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don't even really need them for scenarios. I'm all for new planes...I'd want to see this plane added, just not for a number of years. There's many more planes that should come first/be updated
Yeah you do. Last combat of the SBD with the fleet carriers was the Battle of the Philippine Sea. Afterwards the SB2C replaced them on the decks of the fleet carriers. I don't even think Dauntlesses were carried aboard the CVEs by then. The remaining SBDs were all operating from USMC units assigned to shore bases.
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I would love to have a Helldiver in the line up. I occasionally play with the Dauntless and TBM.......a pair of 20mm cannon would be a much appreciated addition.
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How about a Holy Diver???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzHK9MkbA8&feature=related
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Saxman - it's my opinion...please respect it ;)
There's many more that should come before it.
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don't even really need them for scenarios. I'm all for new planes...I'd want to see this plane added, just not for a number of years. There's many more planes that should come first/be updated
I agree. I'd love to see more carrier based aircraft *cough*Fairey Firefly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,251751.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,251751.0.html))*cough* though. This bird, besides FSOs and Screenshots wouldn't see much usage. I think it's one that should be added none-the-less because of the amount that is WAS used, but I believe there is more important aircraft that should be put in/remodeled first.
:aok
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Saxman - it's my opinion...please respect it ;)
There's many more that should come before it.
Respect is a two way street you didn't show the original poster much respect for his opinion by altering his quote.
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I believe the SB2C-3 corrected most of the problems with the earlier variants and became quite the little power horse of a dive bomber. Should be added to the game eventually.
ack-ack
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No doubt in my mind, NO. Many preferred the Dauntless, a much slower plane, yet much more reliable and better handling then the Helldiver, besides, it'll surely become a hangar queen. I wouldn't fly that thing.
-FYB
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No doubt in my mind, NO. Many preferred the Dauntless, a much slower plane, yet much more reliable and better handling then the Helldiver, besides, it'll surely become a hangar queen. I wouldn't fly that thing.
-FYB
From what I've read, the Dauntless was rock steady in a high angle dive where the Helldiver was squirrely and required trimming on the way down.
wrongway
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It would, currently, be useless for scenarios as you idiots who ask for anything American and then just jump to asking for the next anything American when the prior request is granted will never support the addition of the appropriate Japanese opposition, which is notably lacking in AH. The Japanese navy strike aircraft in AH are currently a 1936 dive bomber and a 1938 torpedo/level bomber, not even the more common 1942 version of the 1936 dive bomber whereas we have a 1943 version of the early war American dive bomber an the 1943 version of the torpedo/level bomber that entered service in 1942.
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So we all agree, block idiotic demands for American planes that have no use in AH, increase the demand for Japanese, Russian, Australian, and Italian A/C and G/V.
We need something with big guns, fast, sexy, and well armored. Something like:
(http://www.vincelewis.net/myimages28/landkreuzer-bigpic.jpg)
Its real, and it can keep up with that tracked vehicle going 50mph, I'm just guessing that.
-FYB
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So we all agree, block idiotic demands for American planes that have no use in AH, increase the demand for Japanese, Russian, Australian, and Italian A/C and G/V.
We need something with big guns, fast, sexy, and well armored. Something like:
(http://www.vincelewis.net/myimages28/landkreuzer-bigpic.jpg)
Its real, and it can keep up with that tracked vehicle going 50mph, I'm just guessing that.
-FYB
No we don't all agree. The guy didn't make an idiotic demand. He stated he'd like to see it in the game.
Who decides an aircraft has no use in AH? You? This is the wishlist forum. Just because somebody wants an American plane in the game doesn't mean they're an idiot.
Just like you jumping on the anti American plane bandwagon doesn't make you cool. I agree there are many planes needed in AH from many countires.
That doesn't mean the SB2C should not be added to the game just because it's American. Geez you fanbois that suggest a persons wish is an idiotic demand then follow up with an
intellegent statement like this... Its real, and it can keep up with that tracked vehicle going 50mph, I'm just guessing that. :lol
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Wishlist and agreeing with what someone wants in is always going to be a little bias. We'll agree with a certain plane; to some extent, based on our interests. Now, you Naval aviation guys would love to see the Helldiver added. I say I don't think we need it...There's plenty of planes I or someone else would want added that you gents would say we don't need (another 38 variant for example).
You can't say someone's opinion is wrong because that's exactly what it is...an opinion.
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You can't say someone's opinion is wrong because that's exactly what it is...an opinion.
:rofl
I agree but this hasn't been my experience lately. :D
My opinion is the Helldiver should have never been built. But it is based purely on 20/20 hindsight. It really didn't live up to its expectations and by the time it was available and in service it was no longer needed. The number built versus the number that were actually used in combat seemed to be a product of savy political manipulation on the part of Curtiss.
I see no pressing "need" for it in game but any new aircraft are always welcome. More carrier aircraft would be nice and I don't see the Helldiver as being any more of a hanger queen than the SBD or TBM or any other carrier based bomber actually.
wrongway
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Lol no mine either wrongway, I have to stop myself sometimes and think to myself "practice what you preach".
I'll say again I'm all for new planes. I just think as far as the Helldiver is concerned; SBDs are a fine substitute for now as for as scenarios go, and it wouldn't be used much in the MA. There's no question it would be used more than the SBD...but that's not saying much unfortunately.
[offtopic] wrongway - I wish there was a way to add audio in signatures...that's my favorite clip from Kelley's Heroes [/offtopic] :lol
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A6M3 first...major gap in between the A6M2 and A6M5. The M3 would solve some mid war PTO warfare
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+1 :aok
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The SB2C had a terrible reputation... (I would not be allowed to say here what SB2C was translated into by its crews). But, you can model all the flaws, by all means add it, but, it would still be a hanger queen... and how would you go about modeling random structural failures?
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The SB2C had a terrible reputation... (I would not be allowed to say here what SB2C was translated into by its crews). But, you can model all the flaws, by all means add it, but, it would still be a hanger queen... and how would you go about modeling random structural failures?
The early versions of the SB2C had a terrible reputation with those that flew it but that changed with the SB2C-3 which corrected the flaws of the earlier version. The SB2C-3 would not be a hanger queen in this game.
ack-ack
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I would like to clarify my prior statement. I am not anti-American aircraft because I don't like them, My suggestions are always rooted in what I think would be best for the game, not what I personally would use. Adding endless numbers of American aircraft while letting other nation's planesets languish is not good for the game in my opinion. I have noticed that many posters only ask for American aircraft and never support oposition units, or if they do it is with a tepid "I agree" type of post.
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Im all for adding new German, American, English, Russian and Japanese military arms.
Save the Italians for last, when there is nothing interesting left to add.
Also, the Helldiver, with two wing mounted 20mm Cannon would quickly eclipse both the Dauntless and Avenger in terms of popularity and use in the MAs.
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Also, the Helldiver, with two wing mounted 20mm Cannon would quickly eclipse both the Dauntless and Avenger in terms of popularity and use in the MAs.
Only thing that might compete with it would be a B7A2 "Grace", if it were carrier enabled.
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some1 send this post to AH person that add he planes...............this would be a great addition.........and actually it would probably be more popular than the f6f or the seafire.
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Actually, the Fairey Firefly and B7A2 "Grace" might both give it competition now that I think about it.
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Adding endless numbers of American aircraft while letting other nation's planesets languish is not good for the game in my opinion.
Agreed. If it flew and fought in WWII I hope it makes it into the game one day regardless of nation. Although I do agree there's so many holes in the Japanese, Italian, and Russian, planesets hopefully those holes will fill first. Although a many of them will turn into hanger queens in the LWA's just like the SB2C. There's much more to this sim than the LWA.
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The SB2C had a terrible reputation... (I would not be allowed to say here what SB2C was translated into by its crews). But, you can model all the flaws, by all means add it, but, it would still be a hanger queen... and how would you go about modeling random structural failures?
If you're going to want flaws modeled into aircraft a good place to start would be the ME-163.
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I would like to see more planes added the Hell Diver would be acceptable.
But honestly I tried my hand at torpdedo bombing and never got close enough to let a fish go Ship ack took me out every time to the point of "why waste a sortie" when you can up a F4U or P51 with a pair of 1000 lb bombs and egress out without a scratch and accomplish the task of sinking CV's or Cruisers.
It would be a good mission or scenario plane.
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Well I'd like to see the Brit. CV aircraft fleshed out a little. Either by a carrier born attack plane, "Firefly", or a later version Seafire. Maybe that late war one with the Griffon engine.
Think about it. Out of three major CV builders and operators in the war we have 4 Japanese CV aircraft included in the game, fighter and Jabo, at least 6 Yank ones, and only 1 Brit one/United Kingdom. Which wasnt really a CV fighter at all.
Other then the D4Y I dont see much else IJN-wise that set has to offer. The exception being possibly an IJN CV itself, which would be awsome. Shokaku class please, or Akagi.
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Other then the D4Y I dont see much else IJN-wise that set has to offer. The exception being possibly an IJN CV itself, which would be awsome. Shokaku class please, or Akagi.
IJN CV aircraft:
A6M3
D4Y2
B6N2
B7A2
IJN land based aircraft:]
G4M2
J2M3
N1K1-J
P1Y1
IJN water based:
H8K2
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Would love to see all those japanese planes added, of course with the Hell Diver :D. When ever it gets added I'll make runs with it.
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Would love to see all those japanese planes added, of course with the Hell Diver :D. When ever it gets added I'll make runs with it.
I might fly it if the flaws are removed! :aok
-FYB