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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Greebo on April 05, 2009, 09:19:05 AM
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This is my first Il-2M3 skin. It is the aircraft of Ivan F Pavlov of the 6th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment. Pavlov flew a total of 248 attack sorties and shot down 4 enemy aircraft eventually rising to the rank of Guards Major. A much decorated pilot, he was twice made a Hero of the Soviet Union.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots3/6th_GShAP_Il-2M3_SC1.jpg)
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots3/6th_GShAP_Il-2M3_SC2.jpg)
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It's a beaut, nice job.
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Nice :aok
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nice work Greebo
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Outstanding.
Are you intending to do more, if so we should chat to avoid duplication. :aok
(checks list of things to do.. ah no hurry on that though)
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Looks great Lord Greebo! Have been thinking about doing an IL2 myself. I will definitely post a pic of the one I would like to do, to avoid duplication.
ReDhAwK
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That's sweet bro!
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Awesome work as always Greebo! :salute
I remeber this as the default skin of the AH1 IL-2 rendition.
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Thanks guys, I'm glad you like it. :)
I'm going to do a few more Il-2s. I was looking at the aircraft of Capt Emelyanenko of the 7th GShAP. This is a similar scheme to the one above but has a musical score on the side as a slogan and the tactical number "100". If someone else wants to do this, I can switch to something else though.
Also I plan on doing a Il-2 with the early green and black camo scheme as well as an aircraft with a green/brown/grey top camo scheme. I haven't decided which specific aircraft yet.
Finally I have been looking for a winter camo scheme to do. There is some good info on single seat Il-2s with whitewashed winter schemes but not much on two seaters. I don't think HTC will allow single seat schemes although I reckon they will probably let the intermediate two seat IL2M without the swept wing go. So far I have found a few profiles and photos of white two seaters. However I'm still looking for a photo that shows a really beat up and worn out winter scheme with all the tactical numbers etc visible.
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That has turned out very well based off the photo's. Nice job.
http://airaces.narod.ru/all7/pavlov_i.htm
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Great as always greebo.
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This may be just screenshot distortion through web-hosting, but the scuffing on the upper wing surfaces looks a little.... pixelated? Like it's just sitting on top of the paint work rather than actually being bits of chipped paint work.
Also, the forward cowling/prop spinner area.... There seems to be some black distortion going on there, is that just a screenshot issue too?
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Beautiful job, Greebo!
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I'll have another look at the paint chipping on the wing root Xasthur. The photos of Il-2s I have seen always seem to show a fairly solid looking worn area. However it often looks more realistic to break up the edge of the area a bit.
I'm not quite sure what you mean on the nose area. One possibility is that there are three air scoops around the edge of the spinner, one underneath and one on each side. The left hand one of these is visible in the screenshot and at this viewing angle makes the black line behind the spinner look slightly thicker at that point.
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Looks pretty good, Greebo!
Only one issue. You've got nice panel lines and rivets almost everwhere, except from behind the wings all the way back to the rudder. Nothing, nada, totally devoid of details. Surely there ought to be some?
Just thought I'd mention it.
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Actually no Krusty. My original panel line and rivet layout was for an all metal Il-2 as that's what the diagram I was using showed. But then I did some research and realised that most of the Il-2s built during the war were of partly wooden construction.
The first production single seat Il-2s were indeed all-metal aircraft. However early in the war, as there was a major shortage of aluminium in the Soviet Union, Il-2s got a wooden rear fuselage. Later on the outer wings were made from wood too. By late 1944 the metal shortage had eased and aircraft with metal wings began to be produced and in spring 1945 some Il-2s were built with metal rear fuselages as well.
Most of the Il-2s that survive today are all-metal aircraft which is why most of the panel line diagrams show this configuration. This in turn is why so many profiles show metal rear fuselages. However metal wings on front line Il-2s were uncommon until well into 1945 and metal rear fuselages were rare until much later.
The photos of this aircraft were taken in January of 1945, they clearly show a wooden rear fuselage but don't show the wing construction. I'm assuming it had a wooden wing, as this is more likely at this time. However I still have the metal wing panel line and rivet layers if I need them.
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This is my first Il-2M3 skin. It is the aircraft of Ivan F Pavlov of the 6th Guards Assault Aviation Regiment. Pavlov flew a total of 248 attack sorties and shot down 4 enemy aircraft eventually rising to the rank of Guards Major. A much decorated pilot, he was twice made a Hero of the Soviet Union.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots3/6th_GShAP_Il-2M3_SC1.jpg)
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots3/6th_GShAP_Il-2M3_SC2.jpg)
I think it is perfect!
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Gorgeous as usual Greebo.
I always love the Soviet practice of using their war-machines as canvases!
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Very interesting history of the materials used Greebo. I will definately research mine more fully before starting. Thnky Sir.
ReDhAwK
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^-- what he said!
Thanks for the rather unusual history.
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Not decided yet but I may go with the metal wing after all. As the CO of a Guards unit and a Hero of the Soviet Union Pavlov would have had a good shot of getting the latest equipment. Besides this may be the only one of my Il-2 skins that could have had a metal wing and it would be a shame not to use the panel lines and rivets at all.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots3/6th_GShAP_Il-2M3_SC3.jpg)
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A little off topic I know. However if so many of these IL-2's parts are made of wood are the complaints of this plane being to tough to shoot down & it being over modeled correct? Just a thought.
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A little off topic I know. However if so many of these IL-2's parts are made of wood are the complaints of this plane being to tough to shoot down & it being over modeled correct? Just a thought.
The Mosquito was tough to shoot down as well, and it was made almost entirely of wood.
The Il2 was notoriously difficult to shoot down. It was called the flying bathtub, the flying tank.... the only weakspots that I've heard of were the tail and the oil cooler. Both of which seem vulnerable in game as well.
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That looks amazing Greebo! Nice work as usual.
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The Soviets did a statistical analysis of Il-2 wrecks listing the specific reason for each loss. In a high percentage of cases it was battle damage to the wooden parts that was the cause. That was why they began to switch production back to metal parts from late 44.
Incidentally the Mosquito's wooden construction was quite different to any other wooden aircraft's. The Mosquito had plywood inner and outer skins seperated by a balsa wood layer on the fuselage and stringers on the upper wings. This thick skin took a high percentage of the airframe loads in much the same way as an aluminium stressed skin aircraft. This was a more weight efficient design than the Il-2 and other wooden aircraft, which got much of their strength from the spars, ribs and bulkheads etc, and less from the skin. Since the loads were more evenly distributed through the Mossie's structure, I would guess it would be more able to absorb battle damage too.
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Greebo absolutely beautiful!