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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: RauleDuke on April 06, 2009, 02:46:37 PM
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Posted a proposed build a few months ago and got some helpfull suggestions. I have since modified and this is what I plan to get from NewEgg:
BFG Tech BFGE98512GTXPOCBE GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
SAMSUNG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S223Q - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151173
NZXT TEMPEST Crafted Series CS-NT-TEM-B Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
RAIDMAX QUANTUM RX-700 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC SLI Power Supply - Retail
Saitek PZ30AU Black USB Wired Standard Eclipse Keyboard - Retail
Koutech IO-RCM620 USB 2.0 3.5" Card Reader - Retail
Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G8500ELKR2 - Retail
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-TR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM
Please let me know if I have any conflict/compatitbility issues. Main purpose of the system is gaming.
Thanx
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I'd go 8GB of RAM with Vista, it'll run extremely smooth. I've never used or know anyone personally, that has used Patriot RAM. I usually recommend Mushkin, OCZ or Corsair. I would swap your PSU for a Tagan ABS PSU, PC & Cooling or Seagate.
The rest of it looks damn good.
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I'd go 8GB of RAM with Vista, it'll run extremely smooth. I've never used or know anyone personally, that has used Patriot RAM. I usually recommend Mushkin, OCZ or Corsair. I would swap your PSU for a Tagan ABS PSU, PC & Cooling or Seagate.
The rest of it looks damn good.
I agree with you about the Patriot Memory... low quality memory. I disagree with the 8gb unless your getting matched pairs. You will not get 4 2gb or 4 4gb sticks sticks to run at the rated settings unless they are matched quad set (sold 4 sticks 4gb, 2 sticks 4gb, 4 sticks 2gb ). This gets quite expensive for an 8 or 16gb set from $91 to $380 my cost but here are the set numbers... all being DDR2 PC6400
OCZ2G80016GQ 5-5-5-18
OCZ2VU80016GQ 5-6-6-18
OCZ2P8008GK 5-4-4-18
OCZ2G8008GK 5-5-5-18
OCZ2VU8008GK 5-6-6-18
OCZ2P8008GQ 5-4-4-18
OCZ2G8008GQ 5-5-5-18
I would also switch the HD to a WD model # WD6401AALS same 640gb but is a 32mb cache
I prefer the OCZ Vendetta 2 HSF over the Zalman. On socket 775 boards this the best cooling HSF on the market from independent studies.
I used to love Tagan PSU's but all the vendors Ingram Micro, D&H Distributing, ASI Partner have all dropped the line. There is some sort of problem with the one and only US Distribution House. Still a good PSU but if you have a failure within the warranty you may have a problem if your place of purchase will not allow a return. I am hoping and praying that all the systems I have put out with the BZ900 as a PSU that none have a problem or I will be replacing PSU's outta pocket
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Thanx for the speedy reply. I am making the following modifications:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM instead of Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
XION Supernova XON-800R14N 800W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Power Supply - Retail instead of RAIDMAX QUANTUM RX-700 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC SLI Power Supply - Retail
OCZ SLI-Ready Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2N1000SR4GK - Retail Instead of Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G8500ELKR2 - Retail
OCZ OCZTVEND2 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail instead of ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail
Added a small amount to the overall cost, but I want reliability more than saving a few bucks.
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Thanx for the speedy reply. I am making the following modifications:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM instead of Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
XION Supernova XON-800R14N 800W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Power Supply - Retail instead of RAIDMAX QUANTUM RX-700 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Active PFC SLI Power Supply - Retail
OCZ SLI-Ready Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2N1000SR4GK - Retail Instead of Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G8500ELKR2 - Retail
OCZ OCZTVEND2 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail instead of ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail
Added a small amount to the overall cost, but I want reliability more than saving a few bucks.
Love the BBS ID. :aok
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No so sure about that PSU. You also dont need 800 watts, but if your looking for the 800 range the OCZ OCZ850GXSSLI is a better choice.
Look at these.
OCZ
OCZ700GXSSLI $20.00 rebate until the 16th Final Cost plus shipping $78.00
OCZ850GXSSLI $20.00 rebate until the 16th Final Cost plus shipping $109.50
PC Power & Cooling
S75QB $20.00 rebate until the 16th Final Cost plus shipping $95.00
PPCS750QBL $25.00 rebate until the 16th Final Cost plus shipping $86.25
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Looking at a Sigma 850 w modular. Going with a bigger PSU incase I upgrade my video card to run multiple cards.
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Looking at a Sigma 850 w modular. Going with a bigger PSU incase I upgrade my video card to run multiple cards.
The OCZ 850 and both PCp&C will do that and are much better PSU's
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If you're going with the EVGA MB, why not also get the EVGA video card instead of the BFG, they're guarenteed to love each other. That's the same CD drive I just put in my build, it's fast as hell. As I mentioned in my build thread final synopsis, I took Tildeath's advice and went with the Tempest, it's great if you're sticking with air cooling, but be aware you only have 3 external bays, that's going to limit you a bit. The Tempest is great for the big video cards and the air flow is tremendous for a mid-tower.
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If you're going with the EVGA MB, why not also get the EVGA video card instead of the BFG, they're guarenteed to love each other.
Umm, I really don't think this is ever the case. Both companies/cards should be trouble-free in compatibility, period. Just because they may share the same manufacturer doesn't mean the same engineers designed them.
Both companies offer lifetime warranties and excellent customer service (I've dealt with both, more so with BFG), both were still excellent. Buy whichever is cheaper.
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Going with a bigger PSU incase I upgrade my video card to run multiple cards.
Still not needed unless your also planning on a raptor raid array or something. I ran two 8800 GTS 512's in mine for a week or so and my 750 PCP&C never broke a sweat.
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Umm, I really don't think this is ever the case. Both companies/cards should be trouble-free in compatibility, period. Just because they may share the same manufacturer doesn't mean the same engineers designed them.
Both companies offer lifetime warranties and excellent customer service (I've dealt with both, more so with BFG), both were still excellent. Buy whichever is cheaper.
Probably, but you know they use their own stuff when they test and stuff. I like the idea of it being the same manufacturer...Heh
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Looks good to me. I have a preference for PC Power and Cooling power supplies and OCZ Ram. That however is just me. I noticed that there was a cut in price for the E8500 chip. However, I understand budgets.
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as with all my suggestions on new builds. provided its in your budget
pony up the extra 200-300 and go with a X58 and i920. yes the i920 is overkill for AH2 but for future upgrades your saving yourself alot of money.
the X58 is crossfire/SLI your never stuck with a brand of video cards
the i920 stock is what the E8400 is OCed from the 3Dmark scores i seen.
at todays prices a chip that even compares with the i7 on the 775 platform is 1200+
if you decide to upgrade mb/chip/memory to the X58 platform your looking at 600+ which is 300+ more then if you had just got it to start with.
just my 2 cents ..mileage may vary.
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as with all my suggestions on new builds. provided its in your budget
pony up the extra 200-300 and go with a X58 and i920. yes the i920 is overkill for AH2 but for future upgrades your saving yourself alot of money.
the X58 is crossfire/SLI your never stuck with a brand of video cards
the i920 stock is what the E8400 is OCed from the 3Dmark scores i seen.
at todays prices a chip that even compares with the i7 on the 775 platform is 1200+
if you decide to upgrade mb/chip/memory to the X58 platform your looking at 600+ which is 300+ more then if you had just got it to start with.
just my 2 cents ..mileage may vary.
I'd rather keep my extra 2 to 3 hundred dollars than go with x58 mobo and i7 chip set.
My final addition/subtractions:
SIGMA MONSTER SP850C 850W Continuous @ 40°C ATX12V 2.2V / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail instead of the Xion, I just like the modular set up.
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Retail which is what I meant to get originally when I switched from the patriot mem sticks to OCZ the first time.
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Well, I went ahead and ordered the above system. Only gripe is after reading about the vendetta 2 cpu cooler, I realized i needed to add a mounting bracket kit because the pushpin mounting system supplied sucks and installing can apparently damage, bend your mobo. kit was only 9 bucks but the shipping was another 6 :cry. Oh well, had to have it.
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Well, I went ahead and ordered the above system. Only gripe is after reading about the vendetta 2 cpu cooler, I realized i needed to add a mounting bracket kit because the pushpin mounting system supplied sucks and installing can apparently damage, bend your mobo. kit was only 9 bucks but the shipping was another 6 :cry. Oh well, had to have it.
Seems you dont like to ask. You do not need the Bracket number one. Number 2 if you only ask I could have saved you tons of monies on your purchase... ie the bracket $5 Vendetta 2 $42 etc etc Oh well.
Good luck with your build
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Only gripe is after reading about the vendetta 2 cpu cooler, I realized i needed to add a mounting bracket kit because the pushpin mounting system supplied sucks and installing can apparently damage, bend your mobo.
The pushpin mounting systems work just fine as long as you know what you're doing. I've mounted several with the motherboard installed in the case and have never had a problem with them. In fact, I'd never use a bracket or back plate... If you want to replace the CPU fan you have to tear out the motherboard vs just replacing the HS/Fan.
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The pushpin mounting systems work just fine as long as you know what you're doing. I've mounted several with the motherboard installed in the case and have never had a problem with them. In fact, I'd never use a bracket or back plate... If you want to replace the CPU fan you have to tear out the motherboard vs just replacing the HS/Fan.
Agreed with a few exceptions. In an H2O system a support bracket is needed for the water block to adhere to the CPU properly. Another would be when you have a native X Socket HSF but a different Socket MB. Lastly if you lap both your processor and the heatsink portion of your HSF a bracket is awesome when used in conjuction of a torque driver for equal pressure on all sides of the processor.
Other then the above mentioned I agree... no need, the pushpins do as they were designed.
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I used my backing plate for my Silent Knight II. I like the additional support it gives.
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Seems you dont like to ask. You do not need the Bracket number one. Number 2 if you only ask I could have saved you tons of monies on your purchase... ie the bracket $5 Vendetta 2 $42 etc etc Oh well.
Good luck with your build
I don't mind asking and I appreciate the advice you've previously given, I have changed a lot of what I originally planned to get based on your recommendations. However, I was in a hurry and wanted to get the system ordered. When I read some posts about the vend2 on NewEgg, 2 things kept coming up; 1st, its a great product. 2nd, the pushpin system was hard to use and several people were complained that after installing the item, the mobo was bent and or the item kept coming loose.
Now I don't know if these guys are simply inept or what, but it seemed pretty universal in the comments. I don't know if I'll use the bracket or not based on what you've just said above. I'll probably try to use the pushpin system and if I have trouble, I'll resort to the brackets.
I do have another question however. I saw your piece below on OCing the E8400 to 4.4. Is that possible with my system since I'm only using 4 mgs of DDR2 ramm?
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Personally, I'm not a fan of the push pin design. I don't recall having issues with the stock Intel HSF push pins, but my larger Arctic Freezer 7 seemed to have a cheaper plastic used for the pins than the Intel one. When I initially installed the AF7, I didn't realize that the bottom fins were in contact with the larger passive heatsink of the Asus P5N-E SLI northbridge. So I could not push the pins down the way. Like I said, I didn't realize it at first and has issues mounting. I ended up bending the 2 of the pins on my first attempt. After some fin mods I did to the AF7 and bending of the mount pins, I was able to get it seated. Though I'm not comfortable knowing the strength of the pins was an issue.
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I don't mind asking and I appreciate the advice you've previously given, I have changed a lot of what I originally planned to get based on your recommendations. However, I was in a hurry and wanted to get the system ordered. When I read some posts about the vend2 on NewEgg, 2 things kept coming up; 1st, its a great product. 2nd, the pushpin system was hard to use and several people were complained that after installing the item, the mobo was bent and or the item kept coming loose.
Now I don't know if these guys are simply inept or what, but it seemed pretty universal in the comments. I don't know if I'll use the bracket or not based on what you've just said above. I'll probably try to use the pushpin system and if I have trouble, I'll resort to the brackets.
I do have another question however. I saw your piece below on OCing the E8400 to 4.4. Is that possible with my system since I'm only using 4 mgs of DDR2 ramm?
No you will not be able to go to 4.4 with your setup. This is also not a 24/7 setup its a benchmark test only and a push of the processor, MB and mem.
Going back to the Vendetta 2, a little tip on the install without the backing plate. You will need a normal size screw driver. When the fan is in place on the Vendetta 2, two of the push pins are located under the fan itself, apply your the thermal paste to the CPU about 1/2 the size of a pea, make sure the plastic protection is removed from the bottom of the HS, locate the HSF so that the fan is facing your memory, set it in place. Now place the flat part of the screw driver on top of one of the push pins (since it is under the fan you can not get a finger onto the top of the pushpin) and push down, you will hear it click into place (two clicks). Now do the one diagnal with your finger (again two clicks) place the screw driver on top of the other pushpin under the fan and repeat above. Thats all there is to it.
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I would think you should be able to get a pretty easy 3.6Ghz out of it. Anything more and you're going to have to OC your RAM in which case you probably should have just started with faster RAM to begin with.
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Well, all my stuff arrived from NewEgg on Friday. Went to work putting it all together. Had it set up, sides were still off the case and wires everywhere, but I figured why bother with cable management until I know it works. Well, I hook up my monitor, keyboard, mouse and fire it up. Blue LED lights all working, fans all humming. From the monitor, "no signal." I check my cables, make sure the vid card is seated properly, retry. NOTHING :cry And I'm thinking, Oh my god. I just bought nearly a thousand dollars worth of computer equipment, put it together the best I knew how following manuals and online tutorials and I don't even get the proverbial screen of death. I mean, I don't even know where to start looking for my problem.
I pack everything up and stick it in the computer room. We go to pool and I run into a guy I know who builds computers. I've had a few and I'm really upset about the thing not working, I'm panicking because I don't even know where to start looking for my screw up and I tell him I'll give him a hundred bucks if he'll just come over and get it going.
Next day, this morning. Wife is going for her hair appointment and I tell her, well I'm gonna work on it a little more, see if I missed something. Yesterday, when I start unpacking all this crap and there's boxes, screws wires, etc. everywhere, she and her freind say, "Are you sure you know what you're doing? You know you're not mechanically inclined." So she just kind of looks at me and says "OK" which means I told you so.
So I bring it back into the living room on the coffey table. Flip it on the side and start looking at the mobo for any missing connections, specifically power connects. I see one on the corner close to the heat sink. An 8 pin connector. I look at my PSU. Have no 8 pin connectors, but a line with two 4 pin connectors that are obviously supposed to be coupled. I look at the mobo manual. Sure enough, there is supposed to be an 8 pin power connection that powers the cpu. I plug it in, make sure everything else is right and fire it up. Thing starts loading and a minute later I'm installing my OS :rock Yes, I am the man!
However, I'm the man that knows nothing about ocing, will appreciate any advice on how to go about with evga 780i mobo and e8400 cpu and 4g of ocz reaper ram(DDR2).
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I would do the cable management ASAP. It can only help you with airflow, no matter what else you do.
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Well, all my stuff arrived from NewEgg on Friday. Went to work putting it all together. Had it set up, sides were still off the case and wires everywhere, but I figured why bother with cable management until I know it works. Well, I hook up my monitor, keyboard, mouse and fire it up. Blue LED lights all working, fans all humming. From the monitor, "no signal." I check my cables, make sure the vid card is seated properly, retry. NOTHING :cry And I'm thinking, Oh my god. I just bought nearly a thousand dollars worth of computer equipment, put it together the best I knew how following manuals and online tutorials and I don't even get the proverbial screen of death. I mean, I don't even know where to start looking for my problem.
I pack everything up and stick it in the computer room. We go to pool and I run into a guy I know who builds computers. I've had a few and I'm really upset about the thing not working, I'm panicking because I don't even know where to start looking for my screw up and I tell him I'll give him a hundred bucks if he'll just come over and get it going.
Next day, this morning. Wife is going for her hair appointment and I tell her, well I'm gonna work on it a little more, see if I missed something. Yesterday, when I start unpacking all this crap and there's boxes, screws wires, etc. everywhere, she and her freind say, "Are you sure you know what you're doing? You know you're not mechanically inclined." So she just kind of looks at me and says "OK" which means I told you so.
So I bring it back into the living room on the coffey table. Flip it on the side and start looking at the mobo for any missing connections, specifically power connects. I see one on the corner close to the heat sink. An 8 pin connector. I look at my PSU. Have no 8 pin connectors, but a line with two 4 pin connectors that are obviously supposed to be coupled. I look at the mobo manual. Sure enough, there is supposed to be an 8 pin power connection that powers the cpu. I plug it in, make sure everything else is right and fire it up. Thing starts loading and a minute later I'm installing my OS :rock Yes, I am the man!
However, I'm the man that knows nothing about ocing, will appreciate any advice on how to go about with evga 780i mobo and e8400 cpu and 4g of ocz reaper ram(DDR2).
:rofl :rofl :rofl WTG been there. Once I carried my PC to the kitchen table so many times I could have loaded a semi. I then look at the 24 pin connect. Barely touch it and it falls out. Doh!
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As soon as I got windows loaded I shut it down and did all my cable management stuff, put the case sides on. Running great.
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Well, all my stuff arrived from NewEgg on Friday. Went to work putting it all together. Had it set up, sides were still off the case and wires everywhere, but I figured why bother with cable management until I know it works. Well, I hook up my monitor, keyboard, mouse and fire it up. Blue LED lights all working, fans all humming. From the monitor, "no signal." I check my cables, make sure the vid card is seated properly, retry. NOTHING :cry And I'm thinking, Oh my god. I just bought nearly a thousand dollars worth of computer equipment, put it together the best I knew how following manuals and online tutorials and I don't even get the proverbial screen of death. I mean, I don't even know where to start looking for my problem.
I pack everything up and stick it in the computer room. We go to pool and I run into a guy I know who builds computers. I've had a few and I'm really upset about the thing not working, I'm panicking because I don't even know where to start looking for my screw up and I tell him I'll give him a hundred bucks if he'll just come over and get it going.
Next day, this morning. Wife is going for her hair appointment and I tell her, well I'm gonna work on it a little more, see if I missed something. Yesterday, when I start unpacking all this crap and there's boxes, screws wires, etc. everywhere, she and her freind say, "Are you sure you know what you're doing? You know you're not mechanically inclined." So she just kind of looks at me and says "OK" which means I told you so.
So I bring it back into the living room on the coffey table. Flip it on the side and start looking at the mobo for any missing connections, specifically power connects. I see one on the corner close to the heat sink. An 8 pin connector. I look at my PSU. Have no 8 pin connectors, but a line with two 4 pin connectors that are obviously supposed to be coupled. I look at the mobo manual. Sure enough, there is supposed to be an 8 pin power connection that powers the cpu. I plug it in, make sure everything else is right and fire it up. Thing starts loading and a minute later I'm installing my OS :rock Yes, I am the man!
However, I'm the man that knows nothing about ocing, will appreciate any advice on how to go about with evga 780i mobo and e8400 cpu and 4g of ocz reaper ram(DDR2).
:rofl :rofl
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We have all done things but I wont even attempt this one-great job :aok
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However, I'm the man that knows nothing about ocing, will appreciate any advice on how to go about with evga 780i mobo and e8400 cpu and 4g of ocz reaper ram(DDR2).
Learn your Rig first. Get everything installed and running how your want. Read about overclocking, search the forums (not here) about your motherboard, processor, memory and what others have overclocked it to, what volatages they have use etc. Learn learn learn, then in a few months after you really KNOW your rig then maybe, maybe start OCing a little. Fastest way to kill a rig is overclock and NOT know what your doing. You take the chances of frying your memory (usually goes first) or your processor or MB. Congrats on your first build.
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Thanx, I'll take my time. I certainly don't want to nuke my system. Now, I just need to get my joystick from the office so I can log some flying time.