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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Meatwad on April 06, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
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Seen on history channel this friday 4/10, that 360 wwII program is doing a special on Patton.
Airs 9pm eastern/8pm central
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Yea, looks like a good one.
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Did you know Patton was a squeaker? None of that George C. Scott gravely growl stuff.
wrongway
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Did you know Patton was a squeaker? None of that George C. Scott gravely growl stuff.
wrongway
Yep.
I even have a genuine copy of Life magazine Dated July 7th 1941 with Patton on the front cover standing in the commander's position in a turrent of a tank
Heres a picture of it I found online
(http://www.olive-drab.com/gallery/photos/patton_lifecover_19410707_sm.jpg)
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Is it gonna be just one episode, or a whole season like they did with the Enterprise?
Interesting timing too, as the episode Friday is about "The Battle of Kasserine Pass", and Saturday thats the battle were doing in the scenario "Dawn of Battle".
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Did you know Patton was a squeaker? None of that George C. Scott gravely growl stuff.
wrongway
Yup. You can hear his real voice here.
Great line too
http://pattonhq.com/sounds/gsp.au
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Nice find drediock.
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10 part series on Patton.
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Did you know Patton was a squeaker? None of that George C. Scott gravely growl stuff.
Meh - He's probably my least favorite commander. Unfortunately with all the men & boys in my house who disagree I'll be stuck listening to them watch that show.
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Read "A Genius for War" by Carlos D' Estes first. Then read "An Army at Dawn" by Rick Atkinson. The latter has no "bloat".
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To me he sounds no more like a squeeker than JFK.
Sorry, but our squeekers beat his any day. :P
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Read "A Genius for War" by Carlos D' Estes first. Then read "An Army at Dawn" by Rick Atkinson. The latter has no "bloat".
Reading An Army at Dawn is what solidified my distaste for Patton.
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Patton had a laundry list of defects as a person, and as a commander. But you have to give him some credit for his ability to get his army to keep moving....never let your enemy catch his balance, keep him from getting oriented and organized. In the long run that saves lives by shortening the conflict. He took territory faster than just about anybody.
But like Monty, he was full of himself, unpleasant, and a glory hound.
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Patton had a laundry list of defects as a person, and as a commander. But you have to give him some credit for his ability to get his army to keep moving....never let your enemy catch his balance, keep him from getting oriented and organized. In the long run that saves lives by shortening the conflict. He took territory faster than just about anybody.
But like Monty, he was full of himself, unpleasant, and a glory hound.
Throughout history the great ones often are. Napoleon. Ceaser, Alaxander. etc
Best way to judge a commanders abilities is by how able their enemies considered them.
Rundstedt after the war as told by B.H. Liddell Hearts book "The German Generals Talk" said that Montgomery and Patton were the two best that he faced. Saying that Montgomery was very methodical "Which is ok if you have sufficiant forces" but Patton had a better grasp of mobile warfare.
And if I remember correctly Patton had a pretty decent kill to death ratio. which would be another important factor in determining a commanders abilities.
In the Sicily campaign, U.S. lost 7000 casualties but took 100,000 prisoners; British lost 12,000 casualties.
Third Army suffered 16,596 killed, 96,241 wounded, and 26,809 missing in action for a total of 139,646 casualties
While the Germans lost to the third Army 144,500 killed, and 386,200 wounded, Not to mention 76,5483 captured before wars end
Dunno. Given the type of war it was and how it was fought. I'll take a commander who can deliver that kind of ratio. Not to mention ground gained
Patton was a loony arrogant rabid Pitbull for sure.
And wasnt a particularly nice man. for example. he seemed to develop a dislike the native inhabitants of literally every country he fought in.
But then again. War as I understand it isnt a particularly nice business
And If I had to fight during that time I'd for sure rather fight under the loony arrogant rabid pit bull.
Then I would the "Ferocious Rabbit"
Seemed to be recognized quite a bit for his accomplishments
His medals and commendations were extensive:
United States:
American Defense Service Ribbon
Distinguished Service Cross with One Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Distinguished Service Medal with Two Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
Distinguished Service Medal (U.S. Navy)
One Silver Star
Three Bronze Stars
Legion of Merit
Mexican Service Badge
Purple Heart
Silver Life Saving Medal
Silver Star with One Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Victory medal (WWII)
Victory Medal with Four Bronze Stars (WWI)
Sons of the Revolution Medal
Great Britain:
Most Honourable Order of the Bath
Order of the British Empire
Enteur Pin of Malta
France:
Croix de Guerre of 1939 with Palm
Croix de Guerre with Bronze Star
Medal of the Legion of Honor
Medal of Verdun (WWI)
Metz Medal of Liberation (1944)
Commemorative Medal, City of Nancy
Commerative Medallion, City of Metz (1944)
Commerative Medalion Cities of Fontainebleau and Barbizon
Gourmier Pin of Morocco (French)
Grand Officer of the Legion of Honor
Liberation of Tours "Patton" Medallion
Liberation Medallion, City of d'Epernay
Liberation Medallion, City of Metz (1918)
Medallion of the City of Rheims
Belgium:
Croix de Guerre of 1940 with Palm
Grand Officer of the Order of Leopold with Palm
Civilian Shield
Czechoslovakia:
Military Cross
Order of the White Dragon
Luxembourg:
Croix de Guerre
Order of Adolphe of Nassau, Grand Croix
French Morocco:
Grand Officer of the Order of Leopold with Palm
Russia:
Guard's Badge
Order of Koutouzov, 1st Grade
Sweden:
Commemorative Medal of the V Olympiad (1912)
Armiens, Under Officers Skola
Kunge Sodermanlands Pansarregemente (Commerative Token)
Kungl. Krigs Skolan (Commemorative Medal)
Kungl. Upplands Regemente (Commorative Token)
Vatican:
Pope Pius XII Medallion
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Recordings of that age are probably not accurate.
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Recordings of that age are probably not accurate.
Perhaps not.
But I've heard other recordings taken from different places and he pretty much sounds the same in each one.
Its unlikely that all would be that far off. So I'd say its probably pretty close
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can not wait
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As a mover and a shaker he would have been one that I would have liked to work for at that time. As a person I probably would not have gotten along with him at all.
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I'll probably watch it.
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15 more minutes! Woot!
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Kinda weird timing on this show too, as tomorrow afternoon we will be doing the battle that they are showing in it's first episode, "The Battle for Kasserine Pass" in the scenario "Dawn of Battle" frame 1, so if you like what you see in the show and want to be apart of it tomorrow show up in SEA II at 1:30p.m CST, you can participate as a walk-on, should be a lot of fun, and it runs for aprox. 3 hours.
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Recordings of that age are probably not accurate.
He didn't like the sound of his voice. He felt it wasn't masculine enough, but he more than made up for it with his actions both on the field of battle and off.
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Recordings of that age are probably not accurate.
Very true ......small changes in playback speed make a big difference ....slower = deeper lower ....faster = more high pitch
even small differences in speed can make quite a difference.
Helm ...out
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seen some of the show-kinda like the story of the enterprise show
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Very true ......small changes in playback speed make a big difference ....slower = deeper lower ....faster = more high pitch
even small differences in speed can make quite a difference.
Helm ...out
That's the same excuse I use for my voice. SQUEEEEAK. I think it was actually deeper when I was a child. :rolleyes:
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