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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: emanonpettes on April 07, 2009, 05:17:29 PM
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Okay. I'm new here. Takes a while to earn perks. Get into the heat of battle, grab a plane, actually survive for a few minutes. A bit later, go to check how I'm doing on gaining the .23 perk points I'm used to...only to find in the rush to do SOMETHING...I've used up a weeks worth of perk points.
How about a quick warning box saying "are you sure you want to spend perk points on this ride? You know you will only die in it, and waste your feeble efforts of the past few days...."
You have the pop up boxes for disabled ords, hangars, etc. I know I should take the time to study all the ramifications of my actions, but would be nice to get a warning perks are about to be spent.
Thanks for listening.
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To expand upon that, only show that pop-up when you hit the spawn button, since the actual perk value fluctuates while you're in the hanger contemplating your next ride. As soon as you hit the spawn button, that would lock in the perk value and give you the message.
That should eliminate 99% of the whines here on the BBS about "How can I lose Y perks, when in the hanger it showed X perks for my uber ride.
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Well there are only about 7 rides that require perks, and most are not much at all... just look next to the plane you want, takes no effort.
Dont want this to come off sounding like a jerk, i was new once too. :aok
:salute
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Maybe when you get on the runway or spawn a SYSTEM: comes up and says
SYSTEM: You have spent X.XX perks.
This way if it went up or anything you can land if you want to. Doesn't matter much personally but.
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What's with all the negative waves emanonpettes? You just need to land. :P
In your case, just assume you are going to lose ALL your perk points every time. Would you still fly that perk plane if you knew that in advance?
wrongway
(too negative again?)
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Just add another box at the top where it says all enabled planes, add one that says non perked planes!
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Just add another box at the top where it says all enabled planes, add one that says non perked planes!
+1.
i like that.
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Okay. I'm new here. Takes a while to earn perks. Get into the heat of battle, grab a plane, actually survive for a few minutes. A bit later, go to check how I'm doing on gaining the .23 perk points I'm used to...only to find in the rush to do SOMETHING...I've used up a weeks worth of perk points.
How about a quick warning box saying "are you sure you want to spend perk points on this ride? You know you will only die in it, and waste your feeble efforts of the past few days...."
You have the pop up boxes for disabled ords, hangars, etc. I know I should take the time to study all the ramifications of my actions, but would be nice to get a warning perks are about to be spent.
Thanks for listening.
I'm confused, your in such a rush that you don't have time to look at what plane your spawning? What if your in a B-17?
Maybe when you get on the runway or spawn a SYSTEM: comes up and says
SYSTEM: You have spent X.XX perks.
This way if it went up or anything you can land if you want to. Doesn't matter much personally but.
might be a good idea, but not "spent", because there is a good chance your going to come back. I fly perk planes most of the time, and I don't want to see a comment on the bottom which will lower my motivation by basically telling me that I'm going to get shot down and lose my perks. So how about "SYSTEM: You are in a 14.3 perk plane" or something like that.
Just add another box at the top where it says all enabled planes, add one that says non perked planes!
Might be a good idea for people who never fly perk planes.
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Just add another box at the top where it says all enabled planes, add one that says non perked planes!
+1
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You cannot spend your way out of debt... it doesnt work that way. Either you are making kills or you are not. If your k/d is under 1.00 you have no business spending perks unless you just dont care.
All the warning you need. :D
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What's with all the negative waves emanonpettes? You just need to land. :P
In your case, just assume you are going to lose ALL your perk points every time. Would you still fly that perk plane if you knew that in advance?
wrongway
(too negative again?)
:furious NO :furious
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Well that is a good idea, A very good idea. And i also agree wit locking in the price of perks, Although when you log in and the roster is still populating you could up a 262 for like 100 perks cause your Host hasn't registered everyone in the arena. :aok
Omg i spelled everything right. :O
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this is a joke right? are you a Vista user who keeps User Account Control enabled?
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Okay. I'm new here. Takes a while to earn perks. Get into the heat of battle, grab a plane, actually survive for a few minutes. A bit later, go to check how I'm doing on gaining the .23 perk points I'm used to...only to find in the rush to do SOMETHING...I've used up a weeks worth of perk points.
Sound more like you are flying the wrong planes to earn perks.
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i have been flying for some time and yet i think locking in the purchase perk price is a good idea!
you can look up the cost before you fly, but that can change, "without notice" while your in the air, unless you constantly go back and forth checking the roster and have an auto loan computer handy!
i would not be flying 262's or driving tigers to gain perks, but when i up a tiger at 10 points get 12 kills then die, and lose 50+ perks. that's not right!
kinda like buying a car for $500.00 the finding out its going to cost $1500.00 you would not have bought it had you known!
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this is a joke right? are you a Vista user who keeps User Account Control enabled?
Or someone who simply used the Spell Checker :aok
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Wasn't trying to be negative at all. Nor was I trying to whine about the perk system. Was just saying that in a rush/hurry, you may grab a perk plane, and not realize it. I also know that it shows that it is a perk ride, but accidents/mistakes can happen.
Anyone ever grab skim milk instead of whole milk by mistake? It's like the old carnivals that used to say "it will cost you "x" tickets to ride." They let you know up front, not jack you when you get off.
What's with all the negative waves emanonpettes? You just need to land. :P
In your case, just assume you are going to lose ALL your perk points every time. Would you still fly that perk plane if you knew that in advance?
wrongway
(too negative again?)
Nope. Whole point of this suggestion was to avoid making a mistake like the above. I do not/would not intentionally fly a perk plane ATM. As for "just landing", if I didn't realize before I was getting into a perk plane, how would I suddenly realize it on the tarmac? Still wouldn't do me any good, as the points were already spent by MISTAKE.
You cannot spend your way out of debt... it doesnt work that way. Either you are making kills or you are not. If your k/d is under 1.00 you have no business spending perks unless you just dont care.
All the warning you need. :D
I know I have no business grabbing perk rides in my situation...again, mistakes can be made, just asking for a "are you sure about this" box.
This was not at all about how to earn perks, what to fly to earn perks, how well you need to kill to earn perks etc. Just a suggestion for a warning before you head off into the great blue yonder...regardless if you can survive or not.
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Get in a 109 G2........ You'll make better perks back and won't be spending any.
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+1 on the 109 G2. Excellent way to make perkies. Also try the A6M2 for close-in fights off a CV or whatever, or the 190 A5 when you're flying over to a furball near an enemy base. There are mad perkies to be made flying some of these 25 or 30 ENY planes. Some other good suggestions would be planes like the P40, or the KI-61. Part of the problem you have is that a C-hog or Tempest or whatever is costing you a week's worth of perks. If you'll move away from the 5 ENY rides this will change. You should be making hundreds of perks per week, not single digits.
People who have been playing this game longer than a few days or weeks usually don't have a problem being aware of when the plane they are flying is a perk ride or not. But I have seen fairly experienced people go into, say, the Midwar arena and fly a plane that is perked in that arena but is not perked in the Late War arenas, not realizing what they were doing. The Spit 8 is the prime example. I saw a guy lose several Spit 8s in a row in the midwar arena, and never realized he was barfing up perkies each time.
I can see the logic in a message in your message buffer stating how many perkies you just spent upping your current ride.
ps: +1 on being annoyed when the perk price swings radically while in-flight. I recall upping a 262 once when it cost like 140 points, and after I landed it I looked and the price was up to like 240 or so. At the time, if I'd died at the higher cost, it would have left me with a negative perk balance. I land most of my 262 flights, but it only takes a loss once in a while to burn through the perks, and on average I'm just barely keeping my head above water perkwise.
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This would kill use of the Spitfire Mk XIV and F4U-4 though....
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FYI, the perk price in the hanger will change up to the point you spawn out of the hanger, although the price you see in the hanger was the price when you entered the hanger (assuming you didn't just enter the arena and not all the data has gotten to your game front-end. The perks you spent to up the ride don't change for you while in flight. The perks are continuously recalculated based on arena numbers, so will naturally be different when you return to the hanger than from the time you launched.
You may see the hanger cost of 65 perks, but by the time you spawn it might cost you 78 perks and you will lose 78 perks if you don't land it. It could easily go the other way: you enter the hanger and the plane shows 78 perks, but by the time you up the actual cost is only 65, which would be what you lose if you don't land.
But, it all boils down to "Don't up a perk plane if you care about losing perks".
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I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. You will lose however many perks the plane costs at the time you die. You won't just lose how many points it costs when you upped it. If the price swings radically while you're in the air, if you die you could end up having lost a lot more points than it was worth when you took off.
I care about losing perk points. I care a lot about it. But that doesn't stop me upping 262s and other perk rides. The fact is that I do care about losing perks because I need to avoid losing them as much as possible so that I can fly what I want to fly, when I want to fly it. If I didn't care about losing perks, I'd lose them all, and wouldn't be able to fly what I want.
Bottom line is that I use my perks. That's what they're there for, and they'll always make more. But I can't not care about losing them - that would be stupid. The only people who truly have the luxury of not caring about losing perks are the people who don't actually use their perks very often, in which case the whole point is moot.
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The host keeps track of the real cost at take off time. As described if you just entered arena and go right to the hanger the cost can be drasticly different. If you wait until the roster is populated the cost will always show very close to what the real cost is. In low number times some one person can enter between when you went to the hangar and took off. And that change would account for a small change in perk cost.
p38 ENY 5 shooting down a ju88 ENY 20
Would only earn 0.25 perk points.
Perk points awarded are calced by "shooter plane" / "plane killed" i.e 5 / 20
Also the cost of the plane is caclulated by the host, right at fly time.
What is displayed can be slight behind in time with the real host value.I.E real cost could have been 10 or more
HiTech
Sounds to me like the cost is locked at take-off time.
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I'm on the disagree side as well on this one. I know I speak from middle of the evening up's, certainly not when entering... As I know those figures change dramatically, and fast.
Although HT does mention the "real host value," I don't think it should swing as much as 30 or 40 points, as I have seen it....
...And that sure is an old quote, are we sure that's still the way it is...
Quote from: hitech on October 19, 2006, 05:40:29 PM
Sounds to me like the cost is locked at take-off time.
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It would be nice to have this notification of perks used or about to be used.
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refresh-->look-->launch
wrongway
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Wasn't trying to be negative at all. Nor was I trying to whine about the perk system. Was just saying that in a rush/hurry, you may grab a perk plane, and not realize it. I also know that it shows that it is a perk ride, but accidents/mistakes can happen.
Man, I know I'm a hypocrite for piling on like this, and I did support the idea of a message going to your text buffer (but not a dialog box - keep your modal dialogs out of my face!) when you up a perk ride. But dude, upping a perk ride and not noticing it's a perk ride is very, very newbish. We're talking 2-week trial account sort of behavior. Anyone who's played longer than that should remember what rides cost perks, and not even have to think about it. There's only like a half dozen fighters to which this applies. It's not rocket science.
Maybe our minds work differently, but when I go into the hangar and choose what I will fly, I do so deliberately, and choose my ride on purpose, for reasons that seem good to me at the time, and knowing exactly what I'm getting with my choice. I don't, and have never, ever, ever gone into the hangar in such a rush that I just click on any random plane and take off in it, without even noticing what bird I've chosen. Do you really do this? Really? You just click some random bird without looking at it?
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^ What he said
Or, better yet, get on the runway. Stop. Type .ef
No harm. No foul.
Or, you didn't notice until you had been in the air for ten minutes.....
;)
wrongway
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+1 on perk ride warning box
I rushed into a furball/vulch-fest tonight thinking that I grabbed a free spit IX but instead i accidentally upped a 20 perky spit XIV. I upped 4 times and kept getting vulched and on the fifth time i received a dialog box saying, "you do not have enough perks for that plane". I thought it was crazy so i went to the hangar and sure enough i had the spit14 highlighted instead of the spit9, so 80 of my 97 fighter perks went down the drain in less than 90 seconds. Face it, some times crap just happens and you don't notice it until its too late. Your going to notice the roar of a rocket/jet engine and know exactly what perk ride you have, but there are some perk planes in the list that are very similar to other free rides.
Basically it would be nice to have a caution box to make sure your tired, numb mind knows what its choosing in the hangar.
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I won't fly peek planes til I reach 1000 perks. I'm almost there. I've been using high eny planes off and on with the pony. Using the high eny planes is sometimes more gratifying after getting a few kills than using a peek plane.
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I have a good example, I have a new guy in my squad and he was having trouble so I suggested he fly the spit 16 for a while until he felt a little more comfortable. Well a day or so later he asked me what is the second best spit to fly I said well you can try the spit 9, "OK, I had to ask why", he went on to tell me that he just didn't have enough perk points to fly the 16 anymore, I checked the ENY, it was 0. So I started thinking about it and "YEAP" he had been flying the 14 all this time and he really didn't realize it until I explained his mistake to him.
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