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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: brad13 on April 11, 2009, 12:40:01 AM
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Hey gentlemen and ladies, I leave for afghanistan for a 3 month tour. This will now be my 5th deployment. It's always an honor flying with, or against you guys. I've made my fair share of foes, along with my friends I have generated throughout my time here. It's great flying with all of the HTC members. Just wanted to say final good byes, and <<S>> All. I'll be back for you guys to shoot me down in 3 months! :aok :salute
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Stay safe my friend.
BIG :salute to you and your family!
We are able to work, eat, sleep and play because of great folks like you that serve, and I truly appreciate it!
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Be safe.
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Good luck and stay safe.
The surgeon who did my son's surgery recently is going to Afghanistan on his fourth tour. Folks like that and like yourself have my respect and then some.
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Be careful, stay safe, and hurry home <S>
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Keep ur head down! Salute!
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3 month tour, Kind of short.
Good luck, be safe and thanks for serving and protecting this country. :salute
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Stay Safe and thank you for your service! :salute
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We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Thank you and be safe!
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17th for afghanistan for a 3 month tour
Nice OPSEC. You should know better than to post this. You must be a guard guy.
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from an old vet keep yur head down an powder dry- :salute-be sure an make it back
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Nice OPSEC. You should know better than to post this. You must be a guard guy.
Three months is a short tour. Civilian maybe?
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In any event he should have known better than to post the departure date and the duration of the tour. You never know who is trolling message boards for information..
** Yeah, the only military in Salem, Oregon is the Army National Guard. **
Figures.
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lol opsec pew gone
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Army Regulation 530–1
Effective 20 April 2007
Chapter 2
Responsibilities
2–1. All Army personnel
Operations security is everyone’s responsibility. Failure to properly implement OPSEC measures can result in serious
injury or death to our personnel, damage to weapons systems, equipment and facilities, loss of sensitive technologies
and mission failure. OPSEC is a continuous process and an inherent part of military culture and as such, must be fully
integrated into the execution of all Army operations and supporting activities. All Department of the Army (DA)
personnel (active component, reserve component to include U.S. Army Reserve, Army National Guard, and DA
civilians), and DOD contractors will—
f. Know who their unit, activity, or installation OPSEC Officer is and contact them for questions, concerns, or
recommendations for OPSEC-related topics.
g. Consult with their immediate supervisor and their OPSEC Officer for an OPSEC review prior to publishing or
posting information in a public forum.
(1) This includes, but is not limited to letters, resumes, articles for publication, electronic mail (e-mail), Web site
postings, web log (blog) postings, discussion in Internet information forums, discussion in Internet message boards or
other forms of dissemination or documentation.
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Keep your head down! :salute
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Holy cow. You guys are rediculous. First of all thank you to those of you supporting me.! And yes I'm in the national guard it's not the friggin CIA. If I wasn't able to release that info I wouldn't even be on here posting this. I think it's just sickining that I come on here to say goodbye to y'all and I get flamed. But again thank you to those of you here who do support me and sent your goodbyes back.
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Whatever I'm done with ah. It was a fun time. <S>
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<S>Brad, stay safe.
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Holy cow. You guys are rediculous. First of all thank you to those of you supporting me.! And yes I'm in the national guard it's not the friggin CIA. If I wasn't able to release that info I wouldn't even be on here posting this. I think it's just sickining that I come on here to say goodbye to y'all and I get flamed. But again thank you to those of you here who do support me and sent your goodbyes back.
Brad, everyone wishes you well. We wish you a safe tour and hope to see you back in the game.
Just remember not to post specific deployment dates. A young man in my son-in-law's Guard unit was slapped with an Article 92 for posting his unit's movement schedule on his MySpace page. He was fortunate to walk away with just a reprimand.
Be careful over there..
My regards,
Widewing
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Yeah stay safe. Its going to get warm in Afghanistan this year.
Nothing wrong with this. If you posted your specific unit, unit strength, and/or exact destination it would be different. We've had far worse in the forum before. One Kid posted about the TS material he was guarding, and where.
Besides our Afghanistan deployments are already posted all over the web already by official news outlets and/or military web sights. The enemy can already peruse potential future targets using Google Earth.
Ciaphas are you a Vet ?
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I'm in my 12th year in the military. I've been deployed more times than I care to count and have served in over 12% of the worlds countries.
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He did not give units, dates, AO or any other specifics, just that he was leaving soon. The things he stated can be found (with more details) just by a simple google. In other words, back off the kid Jack, he was just saying bye. He was vague enough to not violate any OPSEC. Deployments are a matter of public record, hardly a secret. You should know that. But if you want to debate OPSEC, deployments and length of service, bring it. The kid did nothing wrong here and many other fellas have posted similar goodbyes here for years without you getting your panties in a bunch.
:salute Brad
Be safe
Been there, done that.
Hooah.
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I'm in my 12th year in the military. I've been deployed more times than I care to count and have served in over 12% of the worlds countries.
"Yes" would have been sufficient. "I'm in the active service". Then maybe you should have a better feel for whats an OPSEC violation and what isn't.
If it was me I'd have sent him a PM instead of insulting him and his unit in open forum. That tells me a lot about you...Hero.
Dont expect me to go on with this thread. It wasn't mine to begin with and the man was just saying goodby. A bullet or bomb in Afghanistan wont care what percentage of the worlds countries you've served in to kill you.
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I hope your tour goes well Brad be careful.
Pipz
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All of the noise aside... Everyone want's him home safe....
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Stay Safe. :salute
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Its a shame this had to happen.Ciaphas if you were realy that concerned about rules that may have been broken you could have PM'd him and had a talk.In which case he could have changed his post "if needed" and maybe have learned something.Instead you chose to talk down to him and try to insult him publicly.Now instead of a nice send off to remember he has this non-sence to think about.
Pipz
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:salute be safe
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There is always one Poopz and this guy who now considers himself judge, jury, and executioner for all matters military is todays choice. Maybe when he serves a little longer he will also learn how to conduct himself in puplic, so much easier solved quietly rather than trying to belittle someone.
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In each of his 12 years service he covers 1% of the Earths countries, I'm impressed.
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In each of his 12 years service he covers 1% of the Earths countries, I'm impressed.
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:salute Brad and be safe we shall keep the light on for ya.
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To be honest 12% isn't too much really, that's only around 24 countries. So he only needs to visit 2 countries a year, my response was more an offhanded remark. Personally I visited a lot more with sometimes more than 2 countries a month and I'm sure some guys here have done more. I finished up with a total of 22% visited mainly from the backend of a C-130.
No matter about any of this though, Brad just wanted to let his friends know that he was going to be gone and I'm sure most, if not all of us, wish him well and hope for a safe return.
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be safe Brad. :salute
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I'm sure most, if not all of us, wish him well and hope for a safe return.
Rite on! :aok
Pipz
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It's pointless to discuss this with anyone here. I think that there is a disconnect in the communication. I have never and will never wish the this guy anything other than a safe trip and a speedy homecoming.
I find it kind of strange that the majority think I am putting this guy on trial. It's his own comments that are the reason for the continuation of this thread. It's as if you all read his first post and then nothing else he has stated.
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What a bunch of hooey being posted here, the information brad posted is all over the news here locally, I am only 15 miles from where brad lives and it is always broadcast the times of the guards deployment.The news is always there to see them off and welcome them home, What is the difference.
When I went to Vietnam everyone one knew of our coming and going.
<S> Brad from a neighbour.
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What a bunch of hooey being posted here, the information brad posted is all over the news here locally, I am only 15 miles from where brad lives and it is always broadcast the times of the guards deployment.The news is always there to see them off and welcome them home, What is the difference.
When I went to Vietnam everyone one knew of our coming and going.
<S> Brad from a neighbour.
rv. Thanks for serving and being "In Country". If I'm ever out there again, all rounds are on me. :salute
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Now now, soembody needs a hug! :)
On a serious note, Take care Brad. See you when you return sir, best of luck. :salute
I plan on enlisting in the Army in 2010. Just recently graduated from my Military Academy at Ft. Gordon but i can relate sir. Thanks for protecting this country sir, you have my utmost respect. :salute
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What a bunch of hooey being posted here, the information brad posted is all over the news here locally, I am only 15 miles from where brad lives and it is always broadcast the times of the guards deployment.The news is always there to see them off and welcome them home, What is the difference.
Same around this area RV, our local Guard just returned and prior to them leaving it was on TV and in newspapers for months beforehand about deployment dates and scheduled return.
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rv. Thanks for serving and being "In Country". If I'm ever out there again, all rounds are on me. :salute
And I well hold you to that Mashebrum :-) <S>
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wow. Huge thanks to all you guts for backing me! I really appreciate it. I just got one thing to say to ciaphas and that's BRAVO! You've made your self look like a complete love muffin. I'm not in the wrong at all for posted the deployment date. Your just a troll looking for someone to cyber bully but you got called out on it. All I wanted to do was notify my fellow AHers I wasn't going to be here for them to shhot me down. :-) Again thank you to those of you who supported me! It shows your guys respect and care. Thanks again all.! <<S>>
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It's pointless to discuss this with anyone here. I think that there is a disconnect in the communication. I have never and will never wish the this guy anything other than a safe trip and a speedy homecoming.
I find it kind of strange that the majority think I am putting this guy on trial. It's his own comments that are the reason for the continuation of this thread. It's as if you all read his first post and then nothing else he has stated.
So all the comments you aimed at him and the Guard in general really meant "I wish you well". Here are a few of you comments chering him and the guard on:
Nice OPSEC. You should know better than to post this. You must be a guard guy.
** Yeah, the only military in Salem, Oregon is the Army National Guard. **
Figures.
Figures it would come from a weekend warrior.
These reflect well on your attitude towards Guard members who also serve this country.
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Good Luck
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It's pointless to discuss this with anyone here. I think that there is a disconnect in the communication. I have never and will never wish the this guy anything other than a safe trip and a speedy homecoming.
I find it kind of strange that the majority think I am putting this guy on trial. It's his own comments that are the reason for the continuation of this thread. It's as if you all read his first post and then nothing else he has stated.
One of the biggest problems I have with your posts is your apparent disdain for the National Guard. We would be pretty screwed right now without them. This is a force that really shouldn't be deployed overseas except in extreme situations, and yet up to just a year ago they made up over a quarter of all units deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. They have been pushed to the limit and deserve the same respect that everyone else who serves gets. Anyway. The correct way to handle this without bringing even more attention to it would have been to just PM the guy. Instead you had to show how superior you and whatever service you're in is to him and the National Guard. Way to go Big Man. For your heroic post, you have earned the Brown Star. Wear it proudly solider.
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One of the biggest problems I have with your posts is your apparent disdain for the National Guard. We would be pretty screwed right now without them. This is a force that really shouldn't be deployed overseas except in extreme situations, and yet up to just a year ago they made up over a quarter of all units deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. They have been pushed to the limit and deserve the same respect that everyone else who serves gets. Anyway. The correct way to handle this without bringing even more attention to it would have been to just PM the guy. Instead you had to show how superior you and whatever service you're in is to him and the National Guard. Way to go Big Man. For your heroic post, you have earned the Brown Star. Wear it proudly solider.
And once again you prove a point, it doesn't matter what was posted by him just what was posted by me. That's fine. Ive already contact his PAO office and from this point on they can deal with it.
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Ciaphas if you would of came to me personally and said you had I problem with it I might have changed it. Although I talked to some people, and the information that I had posted was in no way wrong. It really bothers me that you come in here assuming things. Especially all those put downs on the national guard. That was just stupidity. And tell me just exactly what did I post that I'm so in the wrong?
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It could be the day that you are leaving and the duration that you are staying.
Now if your PAO has ok'd military members to disclose this information then that is something that you should have posted as soon as your comments were questioned.
as far as putting down the NG that is all a matter of opinion and can be left up to interpretation and if that is how you are going to interpret my comments than that is your right. regardless if I came to you personally, if the information that you posted is questionable you should have changed it.
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trust me, I would not have posted that if we had been told not to. I just can't understand why you draw it out so long. But what happened happened. All I was here for was to say goodbye and to say see ya in a few months. Just one question, what exactly is your roll in the military?
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A Ive already contact his PAO office and from this point on they can deal with it.
There are no words to describe you, so nevermind.
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Does my role in the military matter? No it doesn't. See this whole thread could have been stopped if you would have posted that one key bit of information. You may not think that it was important but any time that you are dealing with deployment information you must make clear that the information has been cleared for release by the owning POA and that the military member has been authorized to disclose the information in question.
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There are no words to describe you, so nevermind.
OK, so the fact that I contact an agency to ensure that the information is allowed to be disclosed makes me a bad person. Nice use of logic there. :aok
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If your military roll doesn't matter then me including that PAO stuff doesn't matter.
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Including the PAO does matter as they are the first to know if information has been released for public decimation. As far as my role in the military concerning this situation, it's enough that I'm in the military as it's all of our jobs to ensure that information is safe guarded at all levels of the military structure.
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And once again you prove a point, it doesn't matter what was posted by him just what was posted by me. That's fine. Ive already contact his PAO office and from this point on they can deal with it.
Deleted what I originally wrote....
Ciaphas, as an ex-military man myself I'm ashamed of your attitude and the way you're handling things. This is very unprofessional!!!
Brad, goodluck to you and I pray for your safe return. <S>
Lambo
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<S> and thanks, Brad, for your service to this country. As for the anonymous internet klickety-clackers, they're protecting your hind-end as well, or you wouldn't be here debating triviality.
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At least you admit you DIDN'T handle this in a professional manner. During my time in uniform we made jokes about our part timers as well but it was in fun and we never did it in public. We also made jokes about people that hadn't done much service but thought the service owed them a living and you seem to fall into that category.
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Damn O.o hwo this get to 5 pages
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your attitude as well as how you handle things is what I'm calling dirty
Fair enough. This is a subject that I take very seriously. It's not as if someone posted about a vacation they are about to take, it;s a deployment. that alone changes matters drastically. You should never assume that one is posting information properly and legally as there is more at stake here then ruining a family vacation. The reason why the PAO was contacted is to ensure that information that has been posted was released and not just simply posted just because they felt that it should be posted.
I'll say it again, the fact that he knew that his information was being challenged and he was holding information that could have prevented this thread is bad form. As far as my comments about the NG, I placed an explanation about my comments already and that is all I can do. You can either read them for what they are or you can dwell on them, the choice is always yours.
We also made jokes about people that hadn't done much service but thought the service owed them a living and you seem to fall into that category.
I've definitely served the military and continue to do so. You all seem to be reading the NG comments out context as I explained them already.
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Ciaphas, as an ex-military man myself I'm ashamed of your attitude and the way you're handling things. This is very unprofessional!!!
You're right I was unprofessional and so is the person withholding information that was so important and allowing this thread to get to the state that it currently is.
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Yes your one of those we used to call Military Clowns. Five minutes in and know more than anyone else wtg hero. Nobody said what Brad did was right but how you went about it is making you look like an idiot. Sit back and think about it and you should see that how you conduct your affairs in public reflect back on you and your service, yes he did wrong but so did you in your methods.
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You're right I did handle wrong but that is what happens when someone feels so passionately about something, isn't it?. I'm not trying to dodge that fact. I am far from a clown and I have been in a bit longer than you think if you are referring to me as one of those that has been in for 5 minutes but you will always fall back on that statement. I'm not sure where you draw your basis from but I guess if it helps you get through the day...
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Only a "rat" would call a guys C/O over somthing this trivial in an attempt to hurt him. Out of what was a "goodby/Godspeed thread".
Thats "R"-"A"-"T". RAT!
Plus RAT never did post his own unit or specialty.
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Yes you said you have done 12 years service.
Why not just let this entire episode drop, Brad made a mistake you made a mistake and we are supposed to play this game to have fun. Not that it is likely but if we ever meet I would buy both of you guys a drink and then let you buy me a coffee then we could sit down and talk about AH and the things we all got up to during our military careers.
Best wishes to both of you <S>
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@ Rich46yo- What, are we in High School? My methods aside I think most people in this thread can realize the problems that could have evolved if this information was not cleared for public decimation.
Xbrit- I thought it was over after page 5.
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You're right I did handle wrong but that is what happens when someone feels so passionately about something, isn't it?
Then apologize for the childish way you presented your opinion and move on.
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I will to those that matter but that is none of your concern.
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While we're on the topic of military...Here's one thing I don't like:
I don't like how some of those that serve or have served like to go about doing whatever they want to do or say whatever they want to say because "if it wasn't for them" our country would be screwed. I see people on these boards before who have been a complete love muffin (not only Ciaphis) and when everyone gets angry they always throw in the "I've served X amount of years for this country, you should respect me." We respect your service, yes. But we don't respect your character. Those who served and are serving deserve a lot of respect, no matter what branch of military they are in. But it's those that throw out their serving history in context that looks like they are just wanting more attention and another pat on the back is what kills me.
This is coming from a young adult who has not served, but I have a LOT of respect to those serving or those who have served.
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Decimation is the drawing of lots and subsequent execution of 1 in every 10 legionaries.
Dissemination is the spreading of information.
They are not really interchangeable words. Sorry for the interruption, that just annoyed me, seeing it repeatedly from a military expert.
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yeah I realized the dissemination error that I made...
I've served X amount of years for this country, you should respect me
I've never demanded respect from others as respect is earned and not given. Many may think that I'm way off base in my argument and I agree that I was off base with my methods but not the argument. There is a difference.
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I will to those that matter but that is none of your concern.
You made it everyone's concern by posting in a public forum.
So you will publicly behave rudely and childishly towards someone, but lack the guts to apologize in the same context.
Says a bit about your character, don't ya think?
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I have already sent the apology but if me psoting it here helps you sleep at night then so be it...
Brad,
Listen man there are no hard feelings as I wish you the best of luck and speedy return. I hope you understand my position concerning that thread. I take the military seriously and when I see something that is odd or out of place I speak up. I'm sorry for my NG comments but they were not meant to be condescending and if you took them that way I am truly sorry. One thing I can say about that thread is you see where a lot of people's ideology lays concerning topics that are as serious as this one. You and I should know the serious nature of it. There are to many <insert token title> on the internet that are just waiting for that type of information and with this game being as world wide as it is you can never be to safe with the information that you present.
Good luck man!
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I have already sent the apology but if me psoting it here helps you sleep at night then so be it...
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I just hope everyone can look past the methods and see that this was started in good faith with nothing but good intentions but as with everythign I do it turned south and hit the ground like my toon ride often does.
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Stay safe buddy, thanks for the service.
And LOL at the discussion, we've been at war there for years now, its not news to them that more of us are coming :lol
ok he broke some rule, boo hoo, I'm sure the taliban play AH from their caves and frequent the forums.
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I agree this thread is starting to distract some much needed attention from one of the Spit 16 threads :D
Good luck Brad and Thank You!!!If you are able let us know how you are getting along.
Pipz
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No you can not post this information. Figures it would come from a weekend warrior.
While this is not a blog this is still with in the same medium as a blog as it is a public forum:
GO $@%& YOURSELF. I'd like to see you do something for this country, smartass.
cavpfcdd, well said.
Best of luck, Brad! I hope for the safety of you and your comrades.
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Ciaphas check your pm's.
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Good luck mate. :salute
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It's pointless to discuss this with anyone here. I think that there is a disconnect in the communication. I have never and will never wish the this guy anything other than a safe trip and a speedy homecoming.
I find it kind of strange that the majority think I am putting this guy on trial. It's his own comments that are the reason for the continuation of this thread. It's as if you all read his first post and then nothing else he has stated.
Really? I mean really? I got to page two of this and wanted to throw my computer out the window.
For christs sake, he's headed to the sand box and you want to start with the flaming? Shame on you. Guard or not, I would give my respect to the Boy Scouts if they packed up and shipped out. It's not about the branch, it's about the team.
That being said Ciaphas, lets hear your story hero. That is, if OPSEC allows you. I know it hasn't had an effect on my time deployed.
Give me a break.
Oh, best of luck Brad <S> Get home safe. Sorry some fool has to rain on the parade.
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Good luck brad,be safe. Ignore that love muffin. Let us know when you get back,well if you`re allowed to,wouldn`t want the enemy to know you are back home.I`ve heard they got killer bud over there,smoke 1 for me. :salute
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:salute 5 deploymets for our country, Brad13 is a hero
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First of all Brad, <S> and be safe brother. Done three trips to Iraq myself both as active duty Air Force, and as a civilian with the USMC.
Ciaphas,
Were you in the Air Force? I'm just asking because in the AF they crammed OPSEC down our throats all the time, but I've found working with the Marines for the last 3 years that they really don't teach them much about OPSEC. It was a real culture shock the first time I was deployed to Iraq with the Marines and I saw the stuff they were putting on their myspace pages. The military has been trying to crack down on this stuff lately. There was a proposed rule sometime last year that said all service members had to have their blog entries screened by public affairs before they could be posted... I don't think that one ever stuck.
Either way, I'm not going to jump into the argument here, it's just that whenever I hear someone get highly upset about potential OPSEC violations, I immediately think Air Force! Not saying it's wrong, I just find it amusing.
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Be safe Brad, dont forget to get some lapis, I got a few good ones my last tour there....
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I just hope everyone can look past the methods and see that this was started in good faith with nothing but good intentions but as with everythign I do it turned south and hit the ground like my toon ride often does.
It turned south for me when you tried taking a pound of flesh and notified his unit, "whom I hope all realize you are bonkers". I was active service myself and tho we might make jokes about other services, or the reserves, we wouldnt do it in open forum.
Where I come from you dont hurt a mans family by trying to hurt him at work over something trivial.
I'm done with this. Thank God we have the National Guard.
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(Say 'Hi' to Bluej1 <S>)
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:salute Brad and be safe we shall keep the light on for ya.
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<S>Brad, stay safe bro
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<S> Good luck brad stay safe :salute
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Thank you and Godspeed Brad. Come home safe and victorious!
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Good luck.
Cover yer 6
Cover yer buddy's 6.
Come home.
Ren :salute
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Thanks guys very much for all the support! It's an awesome feeling to see all those posts. It'll help me sleep better when I got them scorpians crawlin all over me! :lol I leave tomarrow, so just wanted to say goodbye. No more points for you guys because I won't be there for y'all to shoot me down! Anyways, enough blabber. Thanks again everyone. It's truely awesome to see the support! See everyone in 3 months! <<S>>
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I salute you for your service Brad. Be safe Sir.
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<S> Keep your head down. My brother was recently KIA on a patrol by an IED in Afghanistan.
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Big >S< We have your bird in the hanger, ready to go when you get back!
ZULU6 :aok
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<S> Keep your head down. My brother was recently KIA on a patrol by an IED in Afghanistan.
My condolences to you and you family.
Ren
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<S> Brad have a safe one
have a beer with the Brits if you get a chance
I`m sure when you get back Ciaphas will have some nice chow in the mess for you :devil
<S>Jimmy