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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Chilli on April 11, 2009, 04:34:03 PM
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:furious <== Extent of whine.
My squad encountered an invincible flak panzer last night. This flak panzer survived numerous IL2 strikes, rocket strikes, and did I forget to mention 80% of all of my M8 rounds both HE and AP at point blank. This flak panzer midway through this onslaught drove right in front of my turret and tracked me with his pintle gun which was even more invincible than the vehicle itself.
This brings up the inevitable question, why does my flak panzer explode, turret stop working, tracks fall off and beam me up Scotty to the tower, with the slightest of injury :uhoh
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When you say invincible, do you mean that his turret would not die, or that he himself would not die? Because I have seen a new kind of bug on many occations, were the turret is infact dead, but there is no smoke.
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Ive came across this before. It shoots but you cant see it....
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Why do i have to beam you up ?
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So wheres the film?
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:furious <== Extent of whine.
My squad encountered an invincible flak panzer last night. This flak panzer survived numerous IL2 strikes, rocket strikes, and did I forget to mention 80% of all of my M8 rounds both HE and AP at point blank. This flak panzer midway through this onslaught drove right in front of my turret and tracked me with his pintle gun which was even more invincible than the vehicle itself.
This brings up the inevitable question, why does my flak panzer explode, turret stop working, tracks fall off and beam me up Scotty to the tower, with the slightest of injury :uhoh
There's your problem right there . . .
If it had a pintle gun, it was not a flak panzer, ergo your problem . . . sounds more like a Tiger.
:P
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There's your problem right there . . .
If it had a pintle gun, it was not a flak panzer, ergo your problem . . . sounds more like a Tiger.
:P
Probably meant the hull gun. Sometimes they are near impossible to kill. Turret them, sure. Easy. Outright kill them, it depends.
I've been on both ends. Got tracked outside of town just as we lost a base. Spent the next 20 minutes or so plinking at planes in my with the hull gun. Getting shot at by town ack for 20 minutes is annoying.
I've also hit a wirble 19 times in a panzer before it finally went boom. Never run film until three or four shots before they finally die.
My advice, run film. They blow up faster. :D
wrongway
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So wheres the film?
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Probably meant the hull gun.
I knew what he meant, but sometimes it's more fun to point out mistakes with a bit of humor than to say "Silly noob, it is a hull gun, not a pintle gun."
But at least he knows it is a "turret" and not a "turrent." Not sure what kind of linguistic idiocy has taken hold of today's average AHer, but I have seen and heard "turrent" more often lately than simple randomness would generally indicate.
Hmm -- was that a hijack?
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I knew what he meant, but sometimes it's more fun to point out mistakes with a bit of humor than to say "Silly noob, it is a hull gun, not a pintle gun."
But at least he knows it is a "turret" and not a "turrent." Not sure what kind of linguistic idiocy has taken hold of today's average AHer, but I have seen and heard "turrent" more often lately than simple randomness would generally indicate.
Hmm -- was that a hijack?
Hijack or not it's the truth.
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plywood member :salute
I have had flak panzers before that would not die and I have come across many others that did the same one thing to look at is did he pile up supplies and park on them I have done this as well it is done by lots of players once he runs out he moves.Could be the deal
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I knew what he meant, but sometimes it's more fun to point out mistakes with a bit of humor than to say "Silly noob, it is a hull gun, not a pintle gun."
But at least he knows it is a "turret" and not a "turrent." Not sure what kind of linguistic idiocy has taken hold of today's average AHer, but I have seen and heard "turrent" more often lately than simple randomness would generally indicate.
Hmm -- was that a hijack?
One word:
shratnel
Which I find most disturbing in that you get hits with a google search
:rofl First hit on Google for turrent:
1. turrent 170 up, 22 down
A common misspelling of the word "turret," usually made by people with a fourth-grade education.
Turrents r kOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
wrongway
(the hijack is better)
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I intentionally left the film out because I didn't want this to become some sort of cheat allegation. I am rather asking why others are invincible and I go BOOM! :confused:
Film is titled HULL.ahf http://gruppeoutlaws.50megs.com/box_widget.html (http://gruppeoutlaws.50megs.com/box_widget.html)
After this post I had to try the Wirblewind to see how quickly I would be disposed of. Just for giggles during a fight for a base, I managed to make it onto the enemy field and took quite a few cannon rounds. This after about 3 unsuccessful attempts. One of the cannon attacks did take out my turret. I was instructed to go to the end of the runway and use my "hull" gun. There I was able to kill 3 more planes attempting to take of and damage at least a half dozen more. I finally ran out of MG rounds and went into a nearby hangar where to my surprise, there were supplies. I resupplied and headed for the bomber hangar when I was sent to the tower from one shot by manned ack.
Now, back to my question. Why would a single manned gun round be more powerful than 80 rounds HE and AP combined? Add in some 303s and not even able to track the thing.
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You can turret a Whirble with ease. Heck, you can turret 'em with .303's.
But it takes a bomb almost to send one to the tower. (though an IL2 will pop one)
Wish HTC would tweak both the whirble damage model and the new T34.
I have laid into a T34 with 50+ rounds from a manned ack before and did zip.
Easier to kill a Tiger in a manned gun than a T34, which seems a bit "off" to me.
Sure I "get" the sloped armor and shoot them at "x" spot, but I always thought a Tiger would hold up to a 37mm better than a T34.
I remember when it 1st came out you just had to shoot CLOSE to a T34 to pop it's turret. I think HTC might have tweaked it a bit too much the other way.
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You can turret a Whirble with ease. Heck, you can turret 'em with .303's.
But it takes a bomb almost to send one to the tower. (though an IL2 will pop one)
Wish HTC would tweak both the whirble damage model and the new T34.
I have laid into a T34 with 50+ rounds from a manned ack before and did zip.
Easier to kill a Tiger in a manned gun than a T34, which seems a bit "off" to me.
Sure I "get" the sloped armor and shoot them at "x" spot, but I always thought a Tiger would hold up to a 37mm better than a T34.
I remember when it 1st came out you just had to shoot CLOSE to a T34 to pop it's turret. I think HTC might have tweaked it a bit too much the other way.
I think 37mm should do diddly to a tiger. Maybe track it at maximum but nothing else.
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Its about "where" you hit, and "how" you hit. The angle you hit the hull is just as important as what you hit the hull with. From what I've read the set up on armor vs hit in Aces High is one of the more complicated calculations that is made in the game. Did you ever notice that the "good" GVers have a tendency to have their tank angled to where the enemy are? You would think that keeping your nose pointed strait at them would be the best position, with all the armor there right? By turning your tank on an angle your added another angle to the hit calculations which brings in a better chance of the round deflecting off than penetrating. GVing isn't all about brute force.
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You were shooting him in the front armor, at an angle. Not the best way to do it in an m8. Killing a flak with an M8 is really easy. First shot you hit the turret, then drive around behind him, at close range it's an average of 3 rounds right into the flat panel on the back to kill a pnzr/flak.
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I have seen this on several occasions on a flak and a panzer and a m-3. The turret is smoking and the guy is still shooting you may think his engine is out but he is still driving. What we found is that it may be due to a incomplete log-in. The guy i had smoking i pm'ed and told him he wouldnt die. He was cool about it logged out came back and let me kill him to make sure he could be killed.
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have laid into a T34 with 50+ rounds from a manned ack before and did zip.
Easier to kill a Tiger in a manned gun than a T34, which seems a bit "off" to me.
With all due respect, I believe you're working from too small a sample size. The T34 is still incredibly vulnerable to the manned gun. I drive the T34 a lot, and I have driven onto many a base with both models of it, many times, and I can assure you that on average it only takes probably 5 to 10 rounds from the manned gun not only to take a T34's turret, but to kill it outright. The T34s, either model, are at least one order of magnitude easier to kill from a manned gun than the Tiger.
And don't get me started on the T34/85's turret. It's made of paper mache. I've looked up the numbers for the thickness of armor on the T34/85 turret, and I just can't see how that is justified. Almost anytime any gun in the game hits that turret, from any sane range, it's gone.
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Hello Chilli,
Wirbels are only easy to kill with tanks. I always try to keep the frontal armor towards the M-8. I have regularly charged M-8's with just my hull gun intact. At the least I am usually able to shoot the tires out and leave the area, at the worst kill the tires then the engine and empty every bb I have left into the M-8 for the kill. You did kill this fellow though, be happy.
Have a great day,
Way
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chilli, are you sure hes a red guy, and not a green guy!?? makes a difference you know :)