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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Sundog on November 01, 2001, 06:39:00 PM
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Knowing that HTC likes to make mods of existing aircraft before building totally new aircraft, here's my wish list of 10 aircraft for AH1.09
Mods
Hurri IIa
Yak-9D
Mossie B Mk.4
A6M3 (Clipped wing)
Spit Mk Vb (Clipped wing)
New
Ki-44 (the 190A5 is competitive here, so this should be as well)
Ki-67 (Maybe, ya think? )
Tu-2
Me-410 (maybe Me-110, but 410 fits current planeset better)
B-24
Edited: I don't know why I had the Ki-44 under mods! It is now under the 'new' category where it should be.
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Sundog ]
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Mods:
Spit1
109E
Hurri1
can you say Battle of Britian? :D
New:
Yours is good
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B-29 I've been saving my Perks for this Bad Boy :D
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P-40K
Spitfire Mk1a/b
Bf110C
Bf109E-3
A5M
Curtis Hawk 75A
Beaufighter Mk21/TFX
MiG-3/I-16
plus,
Hurricane Mk1
A6M2
Tronsky
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: -tronski- ]
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We need to build up Russian and Japenese plane set.
Lagg3, Mig1 a few more variants of the Zeke & Ki ..
Then i would love to see a push on the twin engine planes. There where many made by all countries. The list would be enless...
Dog out........
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Stuka
Me 110
He 111
Spits 1 & 14
'Vader
Italian/Russian/Japanese bomber
Liberator
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S!
Ki67 (tough one to figure)
Tu-2 (another tough one)
Ok here`s my list of 8:
Me110G
Ju88G
Ju87D and G (same engine, different armament)
Spit VIII
P-40E
P-38F
Cant Z1007
Yak 9D
My aim is to fill out the `43 and `44 planes and add a few `42.
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Perfect New:
1) Ki-67-I-b (Best bomber in IJA)
2) Ki-84-I-a (Best fighter in IJA)
3) Ki-44-II-b (12.7mm only, but Great Intercepter in IJA)
4) Ki-43-III-a (The latest model of IJA's main fighter)
5) Ki-102-I-b (Better than Ki-45, it has deadly 57mm cannon)
Mods:
6) Ki-61-II (heavy, not turnable, but better ammo, faster than any Tony models)
7) Ki-61-I-b (12.7mm only, but it's lighter, faster than I-KAIc, good for events)
8) Ki-100-I-b (Good ammo, turnable, last fighter in IJA)
9) Ki-44-II-c (Be a Sniper, 40mm rocket is hard to hit to B-29!)
10) Ki-109 (Eat 75mm Cannon...)
Oops!
I'm under a delusion. :D
Mitsu
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New:
F4F
P40
SBD
Val
Kate
Stuka
Me-110
Mods:
Spit I
Hurricane I
ME-109E
A6M2
Can you imagine what scenarious the CMs could make if we started filling in with earlier aircraft??
[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: Steven ]
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My take of 8 most wanted planes:
Bf 109D
Bf 109E-4
Bf 110C-4
Bf 110G-2
Hs 129B-2
Ju 87B-2
Ju 87D-2
He 177B
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Priorities from top to bottom:
Ki-84
Ki-43
Ki-67
Yak-1B
P-40B
F4-F Wildcat
Bf-109E7
Spitfire MkIa
Hurricane MkI
Ju-87B
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This should fill in the gaps of early war AC in Pacific and Europe nicely :)
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Kweassa,
Why the Bf109E-7?
I notice you've suggested that in the past as well.
The true BoB 109 would be a Bf109E-4.
Matching the Spit Ia with the E-7 looks like you're trying to slide a quick one in the mix to give a favored aircraft an advantage.
Bf109E-4 and Spitfire MkIa
or
Bf109E-7 and Spitfire MkIIa
would seem to be matching sets.
For my part, I'd like to see:
Tu-2S (I don't know what the status is on this. Hopefully HTC has what they need)
P-40 of some kind
B7A Grace or B6N Jill (preferably Grace)
Ki-84-Ia
Me410B-2
Spitfire MkIa
Bf109E-4
Hurricane MkI
Bf110C-4
Automated merchant ships moving at about 12 knots
Ki-67 is a definate. It was announced by Pyro in hiw last "news" post.
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I hope 1.09 has a few Japanese A/C in it.
My choices would be Ki.67, Ki.84, D4Y (340+ mph carrier based divebomber), B6N Tenzan (Japanese torpedo bomber).
The SB2C and FM-2 would fill out the late-war CV planeset - the Pac scenarios could began in earnest.
Sooner or later we'll need a Spit 14, a Yak-3, and a P-47M.
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The E7 is just an E4 with a drop tank carrying option. Karnak you must be thinking of one of the E7Z variants with the stronger engine, well there was an E4Z too.
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I'd prefer new airframes. We have enough spits, 109's, FW190's, F4's... Just seems more appealing to have something new to fiddle with rather than MORE mods of stuff we have.
Tumor
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I'd like to see Me-410 and He177 plus the bombs for the F8.
Yes again please.
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Hurri I
Spit I
BF109E
Do17Z
He111
Blenheim
Gladiator
Ju87B
Bf110C
I guess there was the core part of BoB and extra
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Ki-67
Ki-61-Ib/Ki-61-Ic??? (MG 151/20mm)
Ki-44-IIb/IIc
Ki-84-Ia
N1K1-J
B6N
B7A
D4Y
A6M3 22 (not that lousy clipped wing version :p )
P-38F
F6F-3
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If not early war planes. Why not build out planes in Country eks 1.09 could be the Jap exp pack, Ki-43 Oscar mod I,II and III, Ki-61 all version, Ki-84 all version, Ki-100, A6M2, A6M3, and Ki-45 Nick. And some Jap bombers, then we would be finnished with Japan. Then Next could be Italy, Then Russia. If you ask me it is plenty German, Us, Uk AC in the game, need too balance it more before releasing more US,UK,Nazi planes. (yes I fly 190 and 109 and I am pleased) lets care abt thoose who fly Italian planes (mc202 mc205) they should attleast have 4 more figthers and 2 bombers.
Re 2005, 2003, Fiat G.55 Centauro, Fiat G.50 mod IV. SM 79 and Piaggo for bomber. :D :D
They russians have more, but Lagg 3, yak 3, Mig 3, I-16, I-153 would be nice. And offcource the La 9/11
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I think they should introduce planes with their historic adversaries to help with scenarios. It's obvious a lot of players are asking for more scenarios. Therefore, if you release an early Zeke (A6M2 or a M3 variant) you gotta release a P40 and Wildcat along with the Kate/Val and Dauntless (and maybe Devastator, our current Avenger's predecessor) for the USN. We've got hellcats/corsairs to go against the later zeke/george/tony now and we need the Helldiver (could just use the Dauntless tho) and judy/grace (D4Y/B7N) to finish out that set (I'm not counting the Hiryu since Pyro already said it's coming). Of course feel free to add more IJA planes and not just the IJN planes (tho I prefer the carrier battles myself).
Same thing goes with the West Euro theater. If you bring in the Spit I (or Hurri I) you need to bring in Fishu's list above, at least all of the German planes in his list. What's the point of a BoB if you just bring in the Emil to fight the Spit I? Need something to bomb London with! :D
Basically I'm saying we don't need to look at which country needs planes but which theaters and timeframes need planes so we can offer a wider range of scenarios more than just more plane choices in the MA.
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He177
Me410
Yak3
Tu2
Pe8
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So it basicaly boils down too the following 2 criterias.
1. New Planes for use in scenarios
2. More Mid/Late war planes for use in the MA
If the MAJORITY of the players would rather see a Me-109E and Spit I, He-111, Do-17z, than Re 2005, Fiat G.55, La 9, then let it be so. But untill I se a real voting abt what "THE BIG SILENT MAJORITY WANTS" I will not be persuaded. I say bring the Mid/Late war planes first then make the early ones.
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Originally posted by Wutz:
But untill I se a real voting abt what "THE BIG SILENT MAJORITY WANTS" I will not be persuaded. I say bring the Mid/Late war planes first then make the early ones.
Tell me, do you speed up before you slow down?
And none of this matters, HTC will add what they want. If a lot of people ask for it and it is seen, then most likely HTC will add it.
-SW
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P-47M and P-47N please
And a must would be the Spit XIII and Spit XIV
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10 choices.....hmmm lemme see
P-51H
P-51H
P-51H
P-51H
P-51H
A-26(hardnose)
A-26(hardnose)
A-26(hardnose)
A-26(hardnose)
A-26(hardnose)
but seriously
109E-4(e-7 if it's only the addition of a dt)
spit and hurri MKI
F4F and FM2
KI-43
P-40
P-51H(perked)
bleinhem(SP) why not? first time it would be modelled?
Invader :D
the anti shipping version of the mossie, with the 57mm(i think)
b-29(perked)
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Variants:
Spitfire I
Hurricane I
Bf 109E
Mosquito B. IV
A6M3
Totally New:
Boston III or IIIA (A-20C)
Bf 110C
He 111
P-40E
Ki-43-II
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Dear Santa, (no not StSanta)
I have been a good little buff pilot. I want a B-29, B-25J (hardnose with 12 x50 cals), B-24, B17F, and a P-61. I'll make sure to leave the craggenmore under the tree.
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SWulfe, I am tired abt people who speaks out for the silent majority. I know Htc will take notice abt what peoples say. But dont tell me what others say, let em say it.
Gud Signe vårt dyre fedreland og hold det rent for amer**** og SW**** :D :D :D :D
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I can't read Finnish or Czech(if that's what it is, I can't tell), however, no one in this thread is speaking on behalf of anyone else.
This is each individuals wish list for aircraft to be added to AH.
-SW
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Nifty said "It is obvious a lot of players are asking for more scenarios"
I know many who would like too se more Italian/Russian AC before scenario AC. But I know that Htc is taking notice what we want, and they will make what most peoples want. Nothing else was ment with my post than that. :D
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How Russian scenario planes*? :)
Ju-87G and D
Tu-2
T-34*
And if we're feeling generous:
Spit Vb in VVS colours
Me-110
Tiger*
*and tanks
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Spit and Kittyhawk in russian Gray/white colour would be cool :D and perhaps the P39
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Yeah, I think that scenario planes include Russian and Italian planes.
Can't very well do an Afrika Korps Scenario without more Italian planes.. or defense of Italy. Same with Russian scenarios.
Personally, I would like to see more scenarios of the "never been done before" variety.. or atleast ones I've never seen done in WB when I played it.
That would be Russian front scenarios and Africa front scenarios- those would be a lot of fun. As is, we have a pretty good start for an Africa/Mediterranean scenario. Get some more Italian bombers and stuff like that, and some American armor (Sherman, not really sure what else they used) and some more German armor... P40 as well. Already have the Macchi aircraft and the HurriIID for tank busting.
Just saying of course.
-SW
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Ya know we already got a SPIT VB
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thankee swulfe.
I left out the Eastern Europe and North Africa fronts because I have no to very little knowledge about them. I used the Pac examples because that's what I'm most familiar with due to that's what I like the most. In fact you could just take the BoB set and add early Russian planes to it and get two fronts at once, because didn't Germany use the same planes on both fronts? :)
I didn't think I was speaking for anyone. I formed my own opinion on how HTC should decide on which planes to model based on seeing people asking for more scenarios. Nothing more. :) Also, I didn't really say which they should model first, just if they model plane XYZ, they should model XYZ's historical adversary if it's not already in the planeset for theater scenario considerations. :) Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression Wutz. Heck, I'll vote to flesh out North Africa first!
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Np Nifty. And I agree 110% with you that if they make the 109E they should make the Spit I. The main focuse now is perhaps, as nifty have pointed out. Too focuse on planes that can be used. Perhaps not much use with spit I and 109E whitout the He-111, Do-17 etc. Since a 109E and Spit1 would see little use inn the main arena(I think?) And the russian front can be recreated with the current equipment (Us leand lease Tanks for russia ,and some B26) but It would be cool to see a Russian Bomber, and perhaps the Mig-3 and Lagg-3. (the 109G2 is after all a finnish version in AH with the Blue svarstika, taken from a swedish baron/duke/count. Would like some winter camo on some planes though, and a winter map :D And with current equipment avlb a 1944 scenario in russia seems most likely (too take adv of the La5 and La7)
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FYI
Based on my experience with AH since the beta, the HTC team likes to introduce 'Mods' of existing aircraft along with a few new aircraft with each build. This is due to limited resources and timely updates for Aces High. That is why I list half the aircraft as mods of what we have and the other half as new.
As for already having a Spit Mk.Vb...I know. But I really like the clipped wing version and it should prove to be a relatively easy mod to add with minor adjustments to the flight model :) .
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I want the P39! :D
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[Sundog] <<<Based on my experience with AH since the beta, the HTC team likes to introduce 'Mods' of existing aircraft along with a few new aircraft with each build. This is due to limited resources and timely updates for Aces High.>>>
I paused after I read that and started to think (and yeah, it hurt a bit), but Aces High has grown by leaps and bounds by what I've heard and maybe it's time the design team grows too.
It is obvious to me too that many players are asking for more scenarios. This statement does not speak for anyone but my own observations and is based on review of the forum posts and is not presented with quantifiable numbers such as 95%, 50% or even "three players." But there are many who do hope to see the scenarios grow and that means increasing the plane set. TOD will soon introduce a weekend event due to a teensy bit of demand...and the TODs are scenario based. Would sure be good to see some scenarios centered around aircraft that would not be a viable option in the MA.
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Aren't the SpitXIV and the Ki-84 uber planes that can outclimb, outrun, and outturn pretty much everything? correct me if i'm wrong on the Ki-84 but I hope the SpitXIV trades it's turning ability for speed (i don't know much about spits either) otherwise it would be bad for the main arena.
I personally would like to see earlier war planes like
Bf-109E4 (for BoB)
Bf-109E7
Bf-109K4 (only later war plane i want)
Fw-190F8 (yes it's in the planeset but give us the full armament!!!!)
Ju-87D
Ju-87G (same as Ju-87 except for the addition of two 37MM guns and no wing bombs (i believe)
How about a Sea 109 since the germans were making them for their carrier :D
For VVS Tu-2 and Tu-3bis (a fighter varient of the Tu-2, a lot better than the Me-110 with a tail gun)
and a I-16 can complete a full 360 turn in 6 seconds!!! but it's slow so don't think it's uber :D
~Soviet
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I've never seen an A-20 modeled. The A-20 would be nice because:
1) it's sorta early war
2) it would be effective but not uber
3) it was used in large numbers all over the world.
4) there were many interesting versions.
ra
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Soviet,
The SpitXIV turns better than any aircraft in can't outrun.
Top speed on the deck is 357mph or 363mph, depending on your source. Top speed is 448mph at 27,000ft. Initial climb rate is generally reported at 4,580ft, but RAF tests put it at over 5,000ft.
The Spitfire MkXIV will be a perk plane.
The Ki84 has a top speed of 392mph when using Japanese fuel, and 423 when using US or UK fuel. The Ki84 will probably do about 350 on the deck.
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The Spit 14 will be a perk, and probably an expensive perk, unless modeled as one of the very first Spit 14's--and modeling it as such wouldn't do it justice.
With that in mind, I think I'd rather see something like a Spit 9 LF or HF as a 1944-era spit, so it could be free, or at the very least a cheap perk.
The KI-84, on the other hand, is not perk material. It essentially would be a slightly faster, but less gunned and less durable N1K2. Turning ability would be about equal to the likes of the Spit 9 and F6F (probably a hair better than the F6). Compared to the Spit 9, it'd be faster (at low altitude) and turn about as well with the same gun set, but it'd not climb as well and bleed E much faster (plus the Japanese cannons aren't quite as good as Hispanos).
KI-84 = worthy non-perk fighter that can hold its own against the AH planeset. Add it!!!
J_A_B
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My CHoice is....(drum role)
P47 M
ME410... Pyro brought it up about a year ago. I WANT IT!!
A Jap and Russian bomber
P47 M and or N
P40N and or B
P39Q or D
P63 with Russian Markings
and of course
P61..P61... P61.. P61..P61..(hint..hint)
:D :D
[ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: Gorf ]
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Any obsolete turd...
Buffalo for one.
eskimo
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although I never fly jap planes I think it's high time we got a proper bomber for them and stop using the ju88 as a substitue.
also, another cargo plane would be nice, even though not really needed.
Bozon
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I thought perks were for rare planes?
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pugg666, WWIIOL models the Bleinhem Mk IV.
Ki-67
Tu-2
B-29
P-51H
Me-109E4
Spitfire Mk I
Hurricane Mk I
Me-110C (4x7.92mm, 2x20mm)
Me-110G (4x20mm, 2x30mm)
Ki-84-Ia
[ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: Rendar ]
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funkedup,
As I understand it, perks are for aircraft that would be imbalancing to the MA.
Sure, the Spit IX and N1K2 are/were really common, but most things can outrun them or deal with them in some other fashion. That would not be true in the case of the Spit XIV.
I think that the Spit XIV will end up a 30-40 point perk. It can't run like the current exspensve perks so I don't see t hitting the 60-70 point range.
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Well everybody else has made a list of what they want to see in AH so heres my list:
1. P-40
2. Dauntless Dive Bomber
3. B-29
4. Gloster Gladiator
5. Yak 3
6. Hs-129
7. Brewster Buffalo
8. Tiger Tank
9. Jeep armed with .50 MG or recoilless rifle
10. A-26
11. B-24
12. Betty
13. P-61 with a functional short range radar
14. PBY
15. cargo ships
16. player controlled infantry
17. Me-163
18. Me-110
19. F-4f Wildcat
20. Gliders to be towed behind the C-47 that could carry either paratroopers or a jeep.
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I fully support Mitsu's Choice Planes!!!
And the Pacific war planes, F4Fs, P40Es....
Flying Dutchman
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All I was refering to Steven, was that Pyro has stated that they like to be able to modify existing planes where possible. I would love to see many planes that couldn't compete in the MA, but with limited resources you have to make tough choices. Or are you just referring to, rather than spend some resources clipping the wings of the Spit MkV, you would rather see them using their resources to release an I-16 for example?
What I said about experience was in no way meant as a dig, I was just basing it on 'my experience' of HTC's 'method' for adding planes. I would love to see every plane in your list added, however, there are usually only a few new aircraft added with each build and some new models of others, was my only point. I was in no way stating that I 'KNOW' which airplanes should be added for the good of AH.
<S!>
[ 11-05-2001: Message edited by: Sundog ]
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Soviet K4 would be nice and yes again 190F8 whole bomb load. We have shown Documents and we have shown proff it was widely used so please Pyro add it for next version.
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I'd go for a 1941-43 Finnish-Russian front planeset. If I'd have to choose only 4 planes, I'd pick the ones in bold.
FAF
1. Brewster Model 239
2. Curtiss Hawk 75A
3. Fokker D.XXI
4. Fiat G.50
5. Morane Saulnier 406
6. Bristol Blenheim
VVS
7. I-153 Chaika
8. I-16 Rata
9. MiG-3
10. Yak-7
11. LaGG-3
12. Pe-2
If we'd expand the time line to 1944, the Ju-87 Stuka, Yak-9D and P-39 should be added into the list as well. I've heard that HTC has been planning of adding the TU-2, which is an enhanced version of the Pe-2.
Camo
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Sundog,
You may have totally misunderstood me. Now that the membership of Aces High has grown, maybe the design team should too...add a new designer or two. That's all I meant. The coffers are probably full so put some of the cash back into the game. All that other stuff you typed is way far away from what I was getting at and really has me confused. Oh wait, w/out re-reading my original message I think I know what you are talking about and that was directed at someone totally different who went ape-poop on my friend about saying "many people want..."
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I think:
Spit Ia/b
Bf-109E
Bf-110 (any)
Hurri I
PZL P-11, or P-24 :D
P-40 (any)
Yak3
Spit 14
and of course
BF-109K!!!!!!
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1. Brewster Model 239 (NOT Buffalo!!!)
2. I-16 Rata
3. MiG-3
4. LaGG-3
5. Pe-2
6. Ju-87
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My list is actually three lists of differing types:
I. Bombers
1. B24 Liberator
2. B25 Mitchell (Standard Varient)
3. B25 Mitchell (75mm Howetzer in nose)
4. B29 Stratofortress
5. He111 (Early War Varient. For Battle of Brittian)
6. He111 (Late War with 20mms. For Main Arena use)
Fighers/Attackers
Attackers
Ju87B Stuka
Douglas Dauntless
Fighters
Spitfire Mk1a
Hurrican Mk1
Bf109-E
P40-B (Flying Tiger Markings?)
P40-E (Canadian Markings)
Go229 (Super Perked Plane!)
Tanks
Main Battle Tanks
M4A1 Sherman
Cromwell
T34
Heavy Tanks
Tiger
JS152
Firefly
I know it's a big wish list, but hey... you asked. :)
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I beg your pardon, the M4 Sherman was definetly not a main battle tank.
Here is my tank list:
Non-perks (or light ones)
Panther G
T-34/85
M4A3(76)
Jagdpanzer IV (70)
SU-85
Perks:
Tiger II
SU-100
ISU-152
IS-2
Firefly
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1. MC 200
2. Hurricane Mk. IIA
3. MC 202
4. Spitfire Mk. VB
5. Ki-43-II
6. P-40B
7. Ju-87G
8. Bf109E4
9. I-16
10. KI-100
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Ahhhh..rgr Steven :) . I agree. Let's get more modelers or open the doors a little with plane model specs and allow the community to start modeling planes for AH. Of course, they wouldn't be released until they met HTC's criteria, but I think we could get many more aircraft constructed that way.
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Relating to the topic somewhat, here is the SU-100 that I am in the process of making:
(http://personal.palouse.net/ferens/SU-100.gif)
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Originally posted by Sundog:
Knowing that HTC likes to make mods of existing aircraft before building totally new aircraft, here's my wish list of 10 aircraft for AH1.09
Mods
Hurri IIa
Yak-9D
Mossie B Mk.4
A6M3 (Clipped wing)
Spit Mk Vb (Clipped wing)
New
Ki-44 (the 190A5 is competitive here, so this should be as well)
Ki-67 (Maybe, ya think? )
Tu-2
Me-410 (maybe Me-110, but 410 fits current planeset better)
B-24
Edited: I don't know why I had the Ki-44 under mods! It is now under the 'new' category where it should be.
[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: Sundog ]
new:
ki67
B-24
tu2
bf110
ki84
mods:
p38J
mosquito b
SpitXIV
a6m3 22 (non clipped wing)
ki100 (mod of ki61 sorta)
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The M4A1 was considerele Tank of the United States Army. If you would prefer, the M4A3 would probably be more useful in game play. The larger, higher velocity cannon will help.
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Ju 88 (some other transport then the C47)
Ju 87 divebomber
Ju 87 with antitank cannons
He 111 Another german buff
Broes