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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: RAM on October 21, 2000, 05:29:00 AM
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Rules:
Say only "yes" or "no". I want to know the people who believes that F4U's FM has some kind of bug that allows it to retain E too well,and the people who disagree. Pleae no "numbers", no "post film" and no explanations,only "yes" or "no".
(BTW this doesnt mean that the FM is right or wrong, I simply want to know how much people has this feeling)
Thanks.
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My vote is "yes"
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-21-2000).]
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"Dont know"
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Naso (edited 10-21-2000).]
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NO.
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Don't know...never flown a hog in r/l.
SOB
...oops, never was good at reading directions.
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same as SOB..never actaully flown the bloody thing.
Although Im sure a relevant book will agree/disagree wid you
-tronski-
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i like it, and I dont fly it much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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no
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"I simply want to know how much people has this feeling"
Yes.
-Westy
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no
Trell
Sturmjaegers
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NO, on RAM being allowed near the keyboard again.
Also, No on RAM being allowed to run with scissors.
Cobra
(Who thinks we should just call it a day and not have the internet anymore...Thanks alot Al Gore!!)
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 10-21-2000).]
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No.
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No
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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N
o... it seems to retain e worse than most every other plane. I would suggest that you actually fly it if u think differently.
u could also take film. or.. you could just take polls hoping that they will be a proof substitute.
worst climbing plane in the game... about 3rd or 4th worst turning plane in the game.. one of the worst stalls and spins... great roll rate.... very good to excellent speed at all alts. one of the best zoom climbers.
lazs
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No
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No...
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No, I think it loses too much E now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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ezdoc
48th Fighter Group "Checkertails"
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no
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no
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If you know how to shoot, and how to fly pure B/N. (the name torque comes to mind) The things a nightmare. Otherwise its a pig.
No.
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No
Vladd
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NO
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Don't know. Shouldn't have cannons though.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Dont care
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I'm no expert on the matter... but I do know pyro and HT are... so I say NO!
Bee
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I make it a point to never get invloved in threads like this....DOHHHHH
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FM is fine. shouldnt have cannons tho (what karnak said)
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I think most the planes retain E too well it isnt just the corsair..yet others dont retain it and they realy suck
(kool 400 post)
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No
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What was the question again?
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Been in several low alt engagements 1:1s in 190A5 vs F4U-1C in the new version.....
With this I must say:
Not a snowballs chance in hell is it overmodelled.
-SW
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Based on a few single combats I have had lately I would have to say:
Maybe
One thing is for sure: Bringing the quad 20s in was stupid but thats a political matter!
Sorry guys.
Yeager
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I know for sure that F4U-1C threads retain too much "E"!
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Nothing wrong with the plane, it's the cannon I don't like. Same with the Osty, really, why model a plane that barely flew in the real war?
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Rickenbacker (Ricken)
-ISAF-
the Independent Swedish Air Force
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really, why model a plane that barely flew in the real war?
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Besides being a great code maker, Dale loves to see things blow up!
I love ya Dale, no hard feelings!
psst...can I keep givin ya 30 bucks a month? pleeeeze (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yeager
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Meow
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the C or the D
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2 demerits wolf, this was the true or false section of the test not the multiple choice... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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No. Opinions don't matter, jump in a HogC and make it happen, film it, post it.
ra
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Ram, if you're really that curious, why not fly it and find out for yourself? Looking at the scorepage, over the last 2 tours you've only acquired 6 kills and 5 deaths worth of experience in the Corsairs. The grass is always greener.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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There is a thing to be fixed about the C-Hog :
perk it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Ram, if you're really that curious, why not fly it and find out for yourself? Looking at the scorepage, over the last 2 tours you've only acquired 6 kills and 5 deaths worth of experience in the Corsairs. The grass is always greener.
Planes RAM use the most on H2H...
A6M5b------------>Wonderful kite for H2H furballs
Fw190A5---------->Will always love the 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
F4U1-C----------->when I want to kill dweebish ackstars and HO at will. Yesterday got a 15 Kill streak on it in a H2H, and only ended when I ran out of rounds...
Pyro, in fact, if you look at my stats from Tour5 onwards you will see that my arena time is spent mostly in 190s. And A5s for that matter. A little of A8, too. Some G10 sorties, some lost G2 sorties, even one or two G6 sorties. But A5 mostly. I am a dedicated Fw190A pilot, I love the A5 (Even when it has lost most of its teeth with 1.04 acceleration fix), and as I said a lot of times I will never fly in MA a plane to prove any point. F4U1-Cs are for me boring. A plane that shreds anything that touches is for me boring (sorry for all those who find this remark a whine. I find Hispanos twice the powerful that Mausers.Maybe is realistic, or maybe is my subsconscient that makes me feel it, but I DO feel like it).
I only flew F4U1-c in Air to air role when 1.04 came out and only because I could not kill with anything else due the new FMs. One sortie, 4 kills. Not bad for someone who could not hit a white elephant at that time, let alone kill anything, isnt it?... The other sorties in Chog were all A-G ones against fields, died to acks (I am terrible against acks, ask StSanta, the other day I attacked a VH with only one ack up in a 190A5, and it got me), and to CAP.
But the only time I used it for pure air to air I got 4 kills and RTB-d safely.
Again (I will have to put this in my signature):
"Numbers don't tell even half the story".
Moot point any way. As I said from the start I dont try to prove anything. I dont say the FM is right or wrong. To "feel" that something is not right proofs nothing, I understand that more data is needed before taking the time and the work to fix something that can be correct and so, need no fix. I voted "yes" because I keep on seeing F4Us doing incredible reversals,and I raise 15Kills with it against Niks, Spits and Yaks in a H2H environment (take off, kill kill kill, with no E-building time).
Yesterday I got 13 Kills with a Zeke in one H2H session (no round problems this time as the host had put a x5 multiplier to the rounds)...then I left it and changed of H2H.
Came into another H2H (with the terrain with the two big hills one in front of the another with VH in the middle). x1 rounds this time.
There was a Ostie in the Vh so I got a F4U1-C with bombs to kill it, but when I reached the spot he was already dead. I dropped the bombs to kill the VH (And failed miserably (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) and started to fight. 15Kills. when I ran out of ammo I tried to return to base and land (I had damage on one aileron) but for the time being everyone was trying to get me and kill me. And they got it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I upped again with an A5 and I got only a 4 kill streak with it... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif). Simply I could not repeat the vertical moves I was doing in the F4U with the Fw190 (apart of that nik that got two 150yard solid bursts of 20mm hits...and was still flying when I fell out of the sky...that didnt happen in the Chog, either) ...and it is supposed that with its better acceleration the Fw190 should fare a bit better than F4U on the vertical,regarding E-keeping isnt it?.
Well, it isnt.
Again, can be my biased subconscient that makes me feel this way. But I felt that it was not quite right. I can be mistaken? . Sure I can be. The fact that a RAM hunting was on didnt help either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). But I saw clearly that I could NOT keep my E up like I was doing before on the Chog.
Anyway I started this thread to know how many people does feel like I do regarding the F4U1-C, that was the reason why I asked only for a Yes or No. This was intended to be nothing but that, a poll.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-23-2000).]
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So RAM total your poll.
Of those that actually answered YES or NO.
Results:
Yes - 3 (and this includes Yeagers Maybe)
No - 20
Is this a definitive enough answer for the small but very vocal group of "CHog Haters"?
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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No.
(It loses energy after first turn very much so, it does, however maintain relatively good Zooming E, which historically it did.)