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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toof on April 15, 2009, 07:58:21 PM
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Have the option of getting it tomorrow morning in either a 5" (which I'm leaning heavily towards) or a 4" compact. The compacts with a bit of a mag extension (which SA actually provides (one) for if you purchase the compact) will carry the 13+1, god forbid I ever need 14 rounds of .45 ACP.... They are 10 +1 with the standard compact mags, although they are interchangeable. The full size (5") feels better in my hands, but seems a little unwieldy for CC...
Do you go for the more accurate full-size that you "can carry concealed" or the 4' which is the same bulk at capacity that you can "definately carry concealed".
In my particular situation, I'm currently in an apartment. Being 26 I have no real need to carry the gun outside of the home except for to the range and/or if I do infact decide to take a CC course and be legally liscensed to carry it.
The 5" seems more practical to shoot and have as a home defense weapon. The 4" seems to fill that role as well, but doesn't feel as comfortable in my hands. Both are the same price, and unless someone convinces me otherwise, I'll be picking up the DE/BS .45 Tactical tomorrow bright and early.
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Just personal preference, but I'd go with a long barrel .45. Those short ones just don't feel right in my hand, and the two I've test fired seemed far less accurate. I've been carrying a Colt Mk.IV for several years now, have no problem keeping it concealed under a shirt or light jacket all year. Mine only carries the standard 7 rounds, I can't see ever needing more than 7 hollow-point .45 ACP rounds at one time.
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Thanks for your reply.
I almost expected the grip of the 5" to be too big for my small hands. After handling it and turning it around a few times, and then handling the compact, the larger one feels better. I'ts a damn small frame for 13+1 .45. I'm with you on the never needing more than 7 .45 rounds to do whatever job you need done. Those extra ones there are insurance (in a .45, you should only need one of it's on target). Actually gave that a bit of foresight as far as carrying a 13+1 .45 in a CC role. Don't think I'd ever stack a carry mag past 5-6. If your point isn't made on the first 1, you still have some backup, without the legal implications of "he carried a hi-capacity magazine designed to kill x member of authority". And the lengths this particular firearm can go to provide "insurance". You can be almost deaf dumb and blind and still put 1 out of 13 .45 rounds into a close range attacker.
I'm still baffled as to how much different the XD.45 felt in the 5" and 4" varieties. The 4" felt too small for my hand (I'm sure you can get mag extensions, it may even come with one). And i've got small hands. The full size 5" fit like a glove though. I'll be picking up the 5" tomorrow bright and early. Wish I could post a picture of what it looks like...(http://www.davidsonsinc.com/dealers/prod_images/XD5tacticalde.JPG)
Maybe that link will work.. Basically even without taking it out to the range(being that I don't own the damn thing, yet) I'm already pleased with it. If anyone has any arguments about the 4" vs. 5", please say so now :)
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Mines this.
(http://k43.pbase.com/u26/mrchevy/large/43302275.IMG_0017.jpg)
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My friend carries one of those, awsome to carry and pretty balanced/accurate for a 3". I find the 1911s to have a skinier grip than the XDs, better to hold and easier to conceal.I conceal my 5" and it's a squeak because I'm pretty skiny. The only way is inside the pants and still the grip marks the clothing. The 3" is awsome for Conceal ... and hell ... for self defense, meaning buying enought time to retreat to safety, u don't need a sniper rifle.
(http://gunsetc.com/shop/images/PW9801LP.gif)
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Single stacks do have marginally smaller grips than the XD 45. You simply have fewer rounds. I really like my XD45 with 5". I've been eyeing the XDm now with match grade barrel and more rounds. It is all a matter of preference though.
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The difference between 5" and 4" accuracy at typical self defense ranges wont make much of a difference. If you intend to conceal, go with the one that will conceal better. Printing, depending on your state, can cause problems with law enforcement. If however you decide to trust your personal safety to law enforcement (when seconds count, they are only minutes away) and use the gun for range duty only, then absolutely go with the 5".
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Is your .45 a 1911? I've never heard of a 1911 with 10+ rounds. (even though I've seen a 9mm with 17 rounds in the magazine)
Our 1911's extended mag only holds 8, and the regular holds 7, but again, I don't think you need 17 rounds of .45 to protect yourself. Hollow point or not.
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I use a 3" 1911 (Kimber) as my every day carry gun. I'm not skinny like Frenchy so I have to be a little more picky about how I carry it. :D
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/Kimber.jpg)
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/KimberSights.jpg)
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Well, ppl have their own preferences, to be sure..
I own a large selection of pistols, carried them all
at one point or another.. 45's, 9mm's, 357's, 44's, etc..
Auto's and wheelgun's, short ones, long ones, stainless,
parkerized, blued and alloy, old style and new fangled...
My age, and experiences with the ugly side of life, have
brought me to the conclusion, that what really matters is
your willingness to use the weapon when the situation
demands it... Not what kind of pistol you carry... Mental
prep, and knowlege of your legal limitations, and liability,
is FAR more important, than punching holes in paper...
THIS IS GOSPEL!!!
Been thru a few military and civilian bullet swapping contests,
so I know what I'm talking about... Been there, done that!
I'm a simple no BS kinda guy.. Very mellow, good natured, but I
Don't take alot of crap from ppl... I'm a BIG guy as well, USMC Ret, and
I NEVER allow someone to foist their will upon me... NEVER!!!
Violent altercations have always been between myself and 2 or 3 ppl,
(bringing their buddies is the only way the weasles stand a chance)..
And I have always walked away,(sometimes bleeding and limping),
but always under my own power..
For the last 10 years, I have been carrying a 410gauge 2 shot
derringer... Fits in my pocket, and the palm of my hand.. When my
alarm hairs on the back of my neck start standing up, I casually slide
my hand into my pocket, and just wait patiently, until 1 of the fools
comes within arms reach.. (Idiots always have the need to, "get in your face")!
The ultimate stupidity! Then grab them by their adams apple, and ram
the derr into their eyesocket... Then ask him, and his buddies, to
make their choice... Again, speaking from experience!!!
And you better be mentally prepped to follow thru, if they make the wrong one!!!
Because they will eat you alive if you don't!!!
My opinion; If you are HAVE to sport a 1911, get a full size
model.. Simply because they shoot better than the shorties..
When ya have a carry licence, its bulk won't matter anyway...
But they do get a little uncomfy after awhile!!!
RC
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Longer the better, least chance of shooting your finger off, but if you have short fingers I would go with the short barrel.
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If you buy the long barrel, you won't regret it. The same may not be true if you buy the short barrel version.
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My 1911 pattern 45 ACP holds 14 rounds, 13 in the magazine and one in the chamber.
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Congrats on your XD .45 ACP. The 4-inch is my favorite. Even better with Glock laser/light.
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My preference would have been for the compact or even sub compact since I no longer carry a duty weapon. I had plenty of practice with a full size 1911 as well as the Officers model. I am definitely in favor of the composites like the XD and Glocks. Lot's lighter for carrying.
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If I was younger I'd buy that High Cap .45 for duty carry. As it stands I'll retire with my P-220.
I have the Mil-spec 1911 I bought when I competed years ago. The thing shoots like a dream.
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I was able to get out to the range on Monday. Put 90 rounds of winchester white box(230gr FMJ) through it (not much of a test, more of a starting off point) without the slightest hiccup. Wish I was able to pick up more rounds for it then 100 prior to taking it out, but at least I got to see what I'm dealing with. Very nice gun, also quite accurate. I was hitting cans off of the berm at 25 yards after 40-50 rounds. May seem a little juvenile, but I swear full off-brand soda cans are just about the most fun targets you can get on a budget. Shoot-N-See in indoor ranges, "shoot and explode" on outdoor ranges for me :)
My friend also brought out his new bolt action 7.62x54. Metal baseplate. Not sure of the make or model, but the stamp on it says it was made in 1954. Wanna hold that baby tight, lol...he made that mistake on his last shot with it.
He had some flat lead-tip rounds for it.....I hit my old outdated liscense plate with it from 25 yards and it damn near blew it in half. Fun rifle!
On a side note, one of the "old timers" at the range that day brought along his .22LR Smith and Wesson pistol. 10+1. Not sure on the model number. Man o man is that thing a shooter. Absolutely no recoil to mention, can shoot it without your ears on, and dead-bang accurate at 25 yards. If I wasn't looking into Kimber(as a ccw option) after seeing replies to this thread, one of those might just be my next purchase. Heck, it may even be my next. Believe the price point on them new is around $300. And it would be absolute cake to pass the ccw course with one.
One realization I did come to though. Buying a firearm is alot like getting a tattoo. You don't stop at one. Once I get a small stockpile of .45 ammo in preparation for the zombie apocalypse/home defense scenarios, I'll look at picking up something else :D
This may be a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyways. I left myself 10 rounds out of the winchester white box so I wouldn't be completely dry once home. Thus far I've been keeping both of my XD mags with 5 in. None in the chamber....Should I stick to 2 5 rounders or just put all 10 into one magazine? The 2nd magazine (2x 5 rounds) is always within arms reach of the gun.
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Well, ppl have their own preferences, to be sure..
I own a large selection of pistols, carried them all
at one point or another.. 45's, 9mm's, 357's, 44's, etc..
Auto's and wheelgun's, short ones, long ones, stainless,
parkerized, blued and alloy, old style and new fangled...
My age, and experiences with the ugly side of life, have
brought me to the conclusion, that what really matters is
your willingness to use the weapon when the situation
demands it... Not what kind of pistol you carry... Mental
prep, and knowlege of your legal limitations, and liability,
is FAR more important, than punching holes in paper...
THIS IS GOSPEL!!!
Been thru a few military and civilian bullet swapping contests,
so I know what I'm talking about... Been there, done that!
I'm a simple no BS kinda guy.. Very mellow, good natured, but I
Don't take alot of crap from ppl... I'm a BIG guy as well, USMC Ret, and
I NEVER allow someone to foist their will upon me... NEVER!!!
Violent altercations have always been between myself and 2 or 3 ppl,
(bringing their buddies is the only way the weasles stand a chance)..
And I have always walked away,(sometimes bleeding and limping),
but always under my own power..
For the last 10 years, I have been carrying a 410gauge 2 shot
derringer... Fits in my pocket, and the palm of my hand.. When my
alarm hairs on the back of my neck start standing up, I casually slide
my hand into my pocket, and just wait patiently, until 1 of the fools
comes within arms reach.. (Idiots always have the need to, "get in your face")!
The ultimate stupidity! Then grab them by their adams apple, and ram
the derr into their eyesocket... Then ask him, and his buddies, to
make their choice... Again, speaking from experience!!!
And you better be mentally prepped to follow thru, if they make the wrong one!!!
Because they will eat you alive if you don't!!!
Oh you so cool ... :rofl
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My main CC weapon is the Kimber Pro Carry CDP, Its the full size frame like a standard 1911, but a 4" bbl.makes it slightly smaller on the front end, Mine is a flawless tack driver, i have never had a malfunction of any kind shooting it ( i normally carry and shoot CorBon SD loads) it conceals well and does not "print" at all.
Just a thought if you dont like the shorter smaller grip of some 1911 compacts.
Here is the link to my model
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/cdp/procdp.php
One thing to keep in mind if your going to carry, make sure you dress to carry ( if that makes sence)
FYI i have 3 full size 1911s 1 is a Wilson Combat, 1 is a Colt and the other is a Springfield. What i have learned is that you will never go wrong purchasing either these 3 or a Kimber. I see alot of 1911s at my P/T job (indoor range/gunshop) and truthfully cant remember the last time i saw a malfunction in a Springfield.Just do yourself a favor and feed it good ammuntion.
:salute good luck.
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If I was younger I'd buy that High Cap .45 for duty carry. As it stands I'll retire with my P-220.
I have the Mil-spec 1911 I bought when I competed years ago. The thing shoots like a dream.
Im a huge Sig Sauer fan, i own the p228 p229 P220 p239 and am currently in the market for a P225, so if anyone has any leads on one please give me a shout. New would be wonderful (but next to impossible to find) but ive learned that used Sigs are as good if not better than most new handguns of any make.(IMHO)\
Edit: Just re read my posts man i think i have a problem, thank god for the part time job, actually i dont think ive ever gotten a paycheck from the gunshop, its all reinvested :D