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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: redman555 on April 18, 2009, 09:48:16 PM
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Well, i know im two days early, but might not be home monday so posting now, for those that don't know Monday is the 10th year anniversary of The Columbine High School massacre. A day that two crazy kids attacked there school killing 12 students and a teacher, as well as wounding 23 others, before committing suicide. Wanted to give a big :salute to those that were lost that day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqbo0f9qvxg&feature=related
-BigBOBCH
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A troublesome aniversary to be marked, it has been 10 whole years since children killing each other with guns in school lost the ability to shock us.
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the sad part is, only 1 month till graduation when it happened, all they had 2 do is suck it up and deal with it
-BigBOBCH
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wow 10 years already?
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Seemed like just yesterday...kind of.
<S> to each and every soul that rests.
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the sad part is, only 1 month till graduation when it happened, all they had 2 do is suck it up and deal with it
-BigBOBCH
Goes to show it only takes 1 A-Hole to cause two desperate lives to find no solution but killing and suicide.
-FYB
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well, let not attack them. Granted it is sad that it happen, but there are some students that push them too.
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well, let not attack them. Granted it is sad that it happen, but there are some students that push them too.
Too bad their so called parents did not well parent. I will not stand up for weak minded individuals like these 2 murdering pieces of trash. I can say that their parents would not be here today had one of the innocent kids killed that day been mine. Yes, I can be pushed to kill too... but not by calling me names.
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well, let not attack them. Granted it is sad that it happen, but there are some students that push them too.
Your kidding right?
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The way the schoolsystem forces incompatible kids together and provides means for group bullying is what causes these killings.
Imagine being forced to join a community of teenagers for years and years and get bullied or ridiculed every day - for no reason whatsoever except a group of tards picked a fight with you. Possibly for being smarter than they are, possibly for being fat whatever the reason. There's only so much a persons psyche can take untill it snaps. I used to be a victim of school bullying and I seriously had plans to kill a couple of the worst bullies.
The only thing that stoped me was knowing it would have ended my own future too. Fortunately I changed school to a better one which was a lifesaver. The old school was a complete nightmare - students had anarchy and teachers got beaten up or verbally abused every day. Not to mention lower grade 'rookies'.
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I seriously had plans to kill a couple of the worst bullies.
Well I hope you never skip your medication.
I got bullied too. I found a punch in the nose to be more then adequate. But in my day we didn't make exuses for every nutcase with a story and an exuse, and, we were taught nothing is more precious then life.
Almost all the students murdered didnt even know the attackers well and never bullied them in the first place. And still they found themselves on all fours begging for their lives as these maggots laughed at them and then pumped bullets into them.
But do go ahead and empower these animals by making exuses for them.
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10 years, man..
10th year anniversary of The Columbine High School massacre.
Two words that (in my opinion) should not go in the same sentence. :|
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Mr. Dubois then demanded of me, "Define a 'juvenile delinquent.'"
"Uh, one of those kids--the ones who used to beat up people."
"Wrong."
"Huh? But the book said--"
"My apologies. Your textbook does so state. But calling a tail a leg does not make the name fit. 'Juvenile delinquent' is a contradiction in terms, one which gives a clue to their problem and their failure to solve it. Have you ever raised a puppy?"
"Yes, sir."
"Did you house break him?"
"Err...yes, sir. Eventually." It was my slowness in this that caused my mother to rule that dogs must stay out of the house.
"Ah, yes. When your puppy made a mistake, were you angry?"
"What? Why, he didn't know any better; he was just a puppy."
"What did you do?"
"Why, I scolded him and rubbed his nose in it and paddled him."
"Surely he could not understand your words?"
"No, but he could tell I was sore at him."
"But you just said you were not angry."
Mr. Dubois had an infuriating way of getting a person mixed up. "No, but I had to make him think I was. He had to learn, didn't he?"
"Conceded. But, having made it clear to him that you disapproved, how could you be so cruel as to spank him as well? You said the poor beastie didn't know that he was doing wrong. Yet you inflicted pain. Justify yourself! Or are you a sadist?"
I didn't know what a sadist was--but I know pups. "Mr. Dubois, you have to! You scold him so that he knows he's in trouble, you rub his nose in it so that he will know what trouble you mean, you paddle him so that he darn well won't do it again--and you have to do it right away! It doesn't do a bit of good to punish him later; you'll just confuse him. Even so, he won't learn from one lesson, so you watch and catch him again and paddle him still harder. Pretty soon he learns. But it's a waste of breath just to scold him." Then I added, "I guess you've never raised pups."
"Many. I'm raising a dachshund now--by your methods. Let's get back to those juvenile criminals. The most vicious of them averaged somewhat younger than you here in this class... and they often started their lawless careers much younger. Let us never forget that puppy. These children were often caught; police arrested batches every day. Were they scolded? Yes, often scathingly. Were their noses rubbed in it? Rarely. News organs and officials usually kept their names secret--in many places the law so required for criminals under eighteen. Were they spanked? Indeed not. Many had never been spanked even as small children; there was a widespread belief that spanking, or any punishment involving pain, did a child permanent psychic damage."
(I had reflected that my father must never had heard of that theory.)
"Corporal punishment in schools was forbidden by law," he had gone on. "Flogging was lawful as sentence of court only in one small province, Delaware, and there only for a few crimes and was rarely invoked; it was regarded as 'cruel and unusual punishment.'" Mr. Dubois had mused aloud, "I do not understand objections to 'cruel and unusual' punishment. While a judge should be benevolent in purpose, his awards should cause the criminal to suffer, else there is no punishment--and pain is the basic mechanism built into us by millions of years of evolution which safeguards us by warning when something threatens our survival. Why should society refuse to use such a highly perfected survival mechanism? However, that period was loaded with pre-scientific pseudo-psychological nonsense."
"As for 'unusual,' punishment must be unusual or it serves no purpose." He then pointed his stump at another boy. "What would happen if a puppy was spanked every hour?"
"Uh...probably drive him crazy!"
"Probably. It certainly will not teach him anything. How long has it been since the principal of this school last had to switch a pupil?"
"Uh, I'm not sure. About two years. The kid that swiped--"
"Never mind. Long enough. It means that such punishment is so unusual as to be significant, to deter, to instruct. Back to these young criminals-- They probably were not spanked as babies; they certainly were not flogged for their crimes. The usual sequence was: for a first offense, a warning -- a scolding, often without a trial. After several offenses a sentence of confinement but with sentence suspended and the youngster placed on probation. A boy might be arrested many times and convicted several times before he was punished--and then it would merely be confinement, with others like him from whom he learned still more criminal habits. If he kept out of major trouble while confined, he could usually evade most of even that mild punishment, be given probation--'paroled' in the jargon of the times."
"This incredible sequence could go on for years while his crimes increased in frequency and viciousness, with no punishment whatever save rare dull-but-comfortable confinements. Then, suddenly, usually by law on his eighteenth birthday, this so-called 'juvenile delinquent' becomes an adult criminal--and sometimes wound up in only weeks or months in a death cell awaiting execution for murder. You", he had singled me out again. "Suppose you merely scolded your puppy, never punished him, let him go on making messes in the house...and occasionally locked him up in an outbuilding but soon let him back into the house with a warning not to do it again. Then one day you notice that he is now a grown dog and still not housebroken--whereupon you whip out your gun and shoot him dead. Comment, please?"
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"Why...that's the craziest way to raise a dog I ever heard of!"
"I agree. Or a child. Whose fault would it be?"
"Uh...why mine, I guess."
"Again I agree, but I am not guessing."
"Mr. Dubois," a girl blurted out, "but why? Why didn't they spank little kids when they needed it and use a good dose of the strap on any older ones who deserved it--the sort of lesson they wouldn't forget! I mean ones who did things really bad. Why not?"
"I don't know," he had answered grimly, "except that the time-tested method of instilling social virtue and respect for law in the minds of the young did not appeal to a pre-scientific pseudo-professional class who called themselves 'social workers' or sometimes 'child psychologists.' It was too simple for them, apparently, since anybody could do it, using only the patience and firmness needed in training a puppy. I have sometimes wondered if they cherished a vested interest in disorder--but that is unlikely; adults almost always act from conscious 'highest motives' no matter what their behavior."
"But--good heavens!" the girl answered. "I didn't like being spanked any more than any kid does, but when I needed it, my momma delivered. The only time I ever got a switching in school I got another one when I got home--and that was years and years ago. I don't ever expect to be hauled up in front of a judge and sentenced to a flogging; you behave yourself and such things don't happen. I don't see anything wrong with our system; it's a lot better than not being able to walk outside for fear of your life--why, that's horrible!"
"I agree. Young lady, the tragic wrongness of what those well-meaning people did, contrasted with what they thought they were doing, goes very deep. They had no scientific theory of morals. They did have a theory of morals and they tried to live by it (I should not have sneered at their motives), but their theory was wrong--half of it fussy-headed wishful thinking, half of it rationalized charlatanry. The more earnest they were, the farther it lead them astray. You see, they assumed that Man has a moral instinct."
"Sir? But I thought-- But he does! I have."
"No, my dear, you have a cultivated conscience, a most carefully trained one. Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not--and a puppy has none. We acquire moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind. These unfortunate juvenile criminals were born with none, even as you and I, and they had no chance to acquire any; their experiences did not permit it. What is moral sense? It is an elaboration of the instinct to survive. The instinct to survive is human nature itself, and every aspect of our personalities derives from it. Anything that conflicts with the survival instinct acts sooner or later to eliminate the individual and thereby fails to show up in future generations. This truth is mathematically demonstrable, everywhere verifiable; it is the single eternal imperative controlling everything we do."
"But the instinct to survive," he had gone on, "can be cultivated into motivations more subtle and much more complex than the blind, brute urge of the individual to stay alive. Young lady, what you have miscalled your 'moral instinct' was the instilling in your by your elders of the truth that survival can have stronger imperatives than that of your own personal survival. Survival of your family, for example. Of your children, when you have them. Of your nation, if you struggle that high up the scale. And so on up. A scientifically verifiable theory of morals must be rooted in the individual's instinct to survive--and nowhere else!--and must correctly describe the hierarchy of survival, not the motivations at each level, and resolve all conflicts."
"We have such a theory now; we can solve any moral problem, on any level. Self-interest, love of family, duty to country, responsibility toward the human race--we are even developing an exact ethic for extra-human relations. But all moral problems can be illustrated by one misquotation: 'Greater love hath no man than a mother cat dying to defend her kittens.'
Once you understand the problem facing that cat and how she solved it, you will then be ready to examine yourself and learn how high up the moral ladder you are capable of climbing"
"Those juvenile criminals hit a low level. Born with only the instinct for survival, the highest morality they achieved was a shaky loyalty to a peer group, a street gang. But the do-gooders attempted to 'appeal to their better natures,' to 'reach them' to 'spark their moral sense.' Tosh! They had no 'better natures'; experience taught them that what they were doing was the way to survive. The puppy never got his spanking; therefor what he did with pleasure and success must be 'moral.'"
"The basis of all morality is duty, a concept with the same relation to a group that self-interest has to an individual. Nobody preached duty to these kids in a way they could understand--that is, with a spanking. But the society they were in told them endlessly about their 'rights.'"
"The results should have been predictable, since a human being has no natural rights of any nature."
Mr. Dubois had paused. Somebody took the bait. "Sir? How about 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'?"
"Ah, yes, the 'unalienable rights.' Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What 'right' to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries. What 'right' to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of "right'? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's 'right' is 'unalienable'? And is it 'right'? As to liberty, the heroes who signed that great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called 'natural human fights' that have ever been invented, liberty is the least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost."
"The third 'right'?--the 'pursuit of happiness'? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can 'pursue happiness' as long as my brain lives--but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it."
Mr. Dubois then turned to me. "I told you that 'juvenile delinquent' is a contradiction in terms. 'Delinquent' means 'failing in duty.' But duty is an adult virtue--indeed a juvenile becomes an adult when, and only when, he acquires a knowledge of duty and embraces it as dearer than the self-love he was born with. There never was, there cannot be, a 'juvenile delinquent.' But for every juvenile criminal there are always one or more adult delinquents--people of mature years who either do not know their duty, or who, knowing it, fail."
"And that was the soft spot which destroyed what was in many ways an admirable culture. The junior hoodlums who roamed their streets were symptoms of a greater sickness; their citizens (all of them counted as such) glorified their mythology of 'rights'...and lost track of their duties. No nation, so constituted, can endure."
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Thoughts on Juvenile Delinquency by Robert A. Heinlein
From Starship Troopers, pp 139-147
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The way the schoolsystem forces incompatible kids together and provides means for group bullying is what causes these killings.
Imagine being forced to join a community of teenagers for years and years and get bullied or ridiculed every day - for no reason whatsoever except a group of tards picked a fight with you. Possibly for being smarter than they are, possibly for being fat whatever the reason. There's only so much a persons psyche can take untill it snaps. I used to be a victim of school bullying and I seriously had plans to kill a couple of the worst bullies.
The only thing that stoped me was knowing it would have ended my own future too. Fortunately I changed school to a better one which was a lifesaver. The old school was a complete nightmare - students had anarchy and teachers got beaten up or verbally abused every day. Not to mention lower grade 'rookies'.
I never suffered from bullying (I made it perfectly clear when I was very young that I would fight back twice as hard against anyone who even thought of pushing me around) but I truly feel the effects of schools forcing incompatable people together. My school is slowly removing the track system (We have AP, Honors, X, Y, Z, PINS, and SpEd; in that order from most intelligent to least intelligent. Most classes are not available in AP or Honors, and AP is only available to Seniors, unless you're like me and you can secure a waiver) and several of my classes over the last year have not been homogenous. That is to say, there were no levels, all students were put together. I am in every AP class I can take, every Honors class I can take, and for the few classes that don't offer those two, I am in X. I am smart. And nothing is more infuriating than being stuck with people who are only above Special Ed by less than a percentage point in their GPA. My Honors classes and AP classes are a dream. People listen to the teacher, work gets done, people can focus... Whereas my non-homogenous classes (This year I only have two, and I am the TA for one so I MAKE the kids listen) are absolute hell. The students control the teacher with threats and intimidation. People are always shouting, throwing things, being loud, obnoxious, making it impossible to do anything... More than once I have seriously considered just standing up and beating the crap out of some of the kids who refuse to shut up. Nothing makes me angrier than stupid people.
Disclaimer: I make a distinction between stupid people, and people who lack intelligence. People who lack intelligence are willing to learn, and should be helped to learn. Stupid people refuse to learn, and thus should be removed from society by any means necessary.
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That's a high horse there, Serenity.
If you really belong to the educational elite, you'll do just fine, even with the classroom distractions. Point in fact, by forcing you to rely on self-study more than teacher interaction, the screw ups might just be doing you a huge favor. Once you get past your second year in college, you'll realize that you've spent the past six years learning all these different things, and will spend the next 2+ learning why they're all full of it. Consider yourself lucky to get a head start.
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That's a high horse there, Serenity.
If you really belong to the educational elite, you'll do just fine, even with the classroom distractions. Point in fact, by forcing you to rely on self-study more than teacher interaction, the screw ups might just be doing you a huge favor. Once you get past your second year in college, you'll realize that you've spent the past six years learning all these different things, and will spend the next 2+ learning why they're all full of it. Consider yourself lucky to get a head start.
Oh, it doesn't hurt my grades, I still get straight As, it just annoys the hell out of me hearing them for two hours a day.
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Oh, it doesn't hurt my grades, I still get straight As, it just annoys the hell out of me hearing them for two hours a day.
Um... You DO realize who goes on to employ many of those types of former high school kids, right?
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Um... You DO realize who goes on to employ many of those types of former high school kids, right?
Unfortunately, yes :(
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I never suffered from bullying (I made it perfectly clear when I was very young that I would fight back twice as hard against anyone who even thought of pushing me around) but I truly feel the effects of schools forcing incompatable people together. My school is slowly removing the track system (We have AP, Honors, X, Y, Z, PINS, and SpEd; in that order from most intelligent to least intelligent. Most classes are not available in AP or Honors, and AP is only available to Seniors, unless you're like me and you can secure a waiver) and several of my classes over the last year have not been homogenous. That is to say, there were no levels, all students were put together. I am in every AP class I can take, every Honors class I can take, and for the few classes that don't offer those two, I am in X. I am smart. And nothing is more infuriating than being stuck with people who are only above Special Ed by less than a percentage point in their GPA. My Honors classes and AP classes are a dream. People listen to the teacher, work gets done, people can focus... Whereas my non-homogenous classes (This year I only have two, and I am the TA for one so I MAKE the kids listen) are absolute hell. The students control the teacher with threats and intimidation. People are always shouting, throwing things, being loud, obnoxious, making it impossible to do anything... More than once I have seriously considered just standing up and beating the crap out of some of the kids who refuse to shut up. Nothing makes me angrier than stupid people.
Disclaimer: I make a distinction between stupid people, and people who lack intelligence. People who lack intelligence are willing to learn, and should be helped to learn. Stupid people refuse to learn, and thus should be removed from society by any means necessary.
I'm sorry this is just rude, we're discussing columbine, people died, I don't think your situation is really that relevant. Kids are kids, deal with it, you're a kid, have some fun yourself, you sound like an old man.
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well, let not attack them. Granted it is sad that it happen, but there are some students that push them too.
oak, i dont know if you knew or not, they had a hit list, not ONE kid on that list was killed, they were all innocent kids
and serenity, i totally agree, i dont take anything, there is a reason i had been in over 10 fights in less then 2 years lol, all of which the kid never said a word to me after that :D
-BigBOBCH
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Thoughts on Juvenile Delinquency by Robert A. Heinlein
From Starship Troopers, pp 139-147
Very cool.
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I never suffered from bullying (I made it perfectly clear when I was very young that I would fight back twice as hard against anyone who even thought of pushing me around)
Same with me. I'm no big kid, I'm actually pretty scrawny for most kids in my school, but I an an outdoorsman. I cut, stack, split, wood. I use the chainsaw almost daily. I lift weights daily, I do exercises daily. I've only been in a couple fights, but both times the kid thought he had the easy out on me, but he learned he was wrong. Don't get me wrong, I don't like fighting but like Serenity, I do make it clear I can and will fight you if you started to mess with me.
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Die Hard...great read.
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Disclaimer: I make a distinction between stupid people, and people who lack intelligence. People who lack intelligence are willing to learn, and should be helped to learn. Stupid people refuse to learn, and thus should be removed from society by any means necessary.
Wow...to a stupid person with a gun and a grudge you might just make a satisfying target. Once you start talking about eliminating any class of people by any means necessary then you are painting a bright red bulls-eye on you forehead. Might want to tone that rhetoric down.
For what its worth: Well educated people that flaunt their intelligence and then use that as a platform to espouse their superiority over less educated people tend to be categorized by the inferior classes as intellectuals. You know what inferior people like Hitler and Stalin...Pol Pot did with their societies class of intellectuals?
They wiped them out.
Sometimes it is better to just play dumb.
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Die Hard:
What people will *really* be wondering in the future is why our most thought-provoking philosophers were all writing in fiction considered for "geeks" only...
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The answer lies in yeager's post BnZ, the select audiance must be found or the material could be a threat to the philosopher's life. Intelligence is not the crime itself, but thinking your intelligence makes you more worthy in some way is certainly a nest that breeds hatred amoung the powerfull leaders and weak minded alike. To view intelligence as a gift and a duty is fine, to use it for the good of others is surely a good thing, but never believe it is a prerequisite of life, it is merely an addition and often a curse.
Heinlein was not saying anything particularly offensive or life changing, but in his time things were even more subtle. Freedom of speach is not a state we exist in currently but an ideal we are working towards slowly.
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Too bad their so called parents did not well parent. I will not stand up for weak minded individuals like these 2 murdering pieces of trash. I can say that their parents would not be here today had one of the innocent kids killed that day been mine. Yes, I can be pushed to kill too... but not by calling me names.
totally agree shuffler, if i had to, i would kill someone, but not over someone makin fun of me, thats what your fist is for
-BigBOBCH
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http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/
But the FBI and its team of psychiatrists and psychologists have reached an entirely different conclusion.
School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as "collateral damage."
School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as "collateral damage."
The killers, in fact, laughed at petty school shooters. They bragged about dwarfing the carnage of the Oklahoma City bombing and originally scheduled their bloody performance for its anniversary. Klebold boasted on video about inflicting "the most deaths in U.S. history." Columbine was intended not primarily as a shooting at all, but as a bombing on a massive scale. If they hadn't been so bad at wiring the timers, the propane bombs they set in the cafeteria would have wiped out 600 people. After those bombs went off, they planned to gun down fleeing survivors. An explosive third act would follow, when their cars, packed with still more bombs, would rip through still more crowds, presumably of survivors, rescue workers, and reporters. The climax would be captured on live television. It wasn't just "fame" they were after—Agent Fuselier bristles at that trivializing term—they were gunning for devastating infamy on the historical scale of an Attila the Hun. Their vision was to create a nightmare so devastating and apocalyptic that the entire world would shudder at their power.
He is disgusted with the morons around him. These are not the rantings of an angry young man, picked on by jocks until he's not going to take it anymore. These are the rantings of someone with a messianic-grade superiority complex, out to punish the entire human race for its appalling inferiority. It may look like hate, but "It's more about demeaning other people," says Hare.
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When the families have passed a few generations and the need remember Columbine personally evaprotes I hope the world can forget it.
Otherwise we give them the history book entry they wanted.
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I'm sorry this is just rude, we're discussing columbine, people died, I don't think your situation is really that relevant. Kids are kids, deal with it, you're a kid, have some fun yourself, you sound like an old man.
I am just agreeing that forcing people who are obviously incompatible together has negative connotations.
Wow...to a stupid person with a gun and a grudge you might just make a satisfying target. Once you start talking about eliminating any class of people by any means necessary then you are painting a bright red bulls-eye on you forehead. Might want to tone that rhetoric down.
For what its worth: Well educated people that flaunt their intelligence and then use that as a platform to espouse their superiority over less educated people tend to be categorized by the inferior classes as intellectuals. You know what inferior people like Hitler and Stalin...Pol Pot did with their societies class of intellectuals?
They wiped them out.
Sometimes it is better to just play dumb.
Yeager, just for being white over here I am an incredibly satisfying target for anyone barring a military brat. But if you really read what you quoted, I know not everyone is born smart. If someone is willing to learn I will bend over backwards to help them learn. The people I call stupid are those who know nothing and refuse any help to learn. The people who cannot listen to teachers, who refuse to do the work, who get straight Fs and are proud of it, and who try to drag the rest of the school down with them. I'm a target. The color of my skin makes me a target. The fact that I like proper grammar and don't speak pidgin makes me a target. The fact that I never have and never will assimilate with local culture makes me a target. The fact that I stand up to bullies and never, ever take it lying down makes me a target. I've been a target all my life, and I don't expect it to change until I am in a different part of the world. And even then there will be someone who just doesn't like me. But it's life. I'm happy with who I am, I am happy with who my friends are, and if someone does come in to school and try to blow my brains out, at least I can take solace in knowing I went out for being honest, not for hiding what I think and feel.
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Die Hard:
What people will *really* be wondering in the future is why our most thought-provoking philosophers were all writing in fiction considered for "geeks" only...
lol, yeah. The irony...
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I am just agreeing that forcing people who are obviously incompatible together has negative connotations.
Yeager, just for being white over here I am an incredibly satisfying target for anyone barring a military brat. But if you really read what you quoted, I know not everyone is born smart. If someone is willing to learn I will bend over backwards to help them learn. The people I call stupid are those who know nothing and refuse any help to learn. The people who cannot listen to teachers, who refuse to do the work, who get straight Fs and are proud of it, and who try to drag the rest of the school down with them. I'm a target. The color of my skin makes me a target. The fact that I like proper grammar and don't speak pidgin makes me a target. The fact that I never have and never will assimilate with local culture makes me a target. The fact that I stand up to bullies and never, ever take it lying down makes me a target. I've been a target all my life, and I don't expect it to change until I am in a different part of the world. And even then there will be someone who just doesn't like me. But it's life. I'm happy with who I am, I am happy with who my friends are, and if someone does come in to school and try to blow my brains out, at least I can take solace in knowing I went out for being honest, not for hiding what I think and feel.
You're a "target" because you choose to be.
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no he is a target because THEY choose him to be. ;)
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You're a "target" because you don't change who you are out of fear of being a target.
Fixed.
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no he is a target because THEY choose him to be. ;)
Incorrect. He is choosing to be reclusive and confrontational, but wishes to "blame others for their burdens in life", instead of realizing he's no better.
But his bravado is funny considering a certain thread about a year ago in which he "later recanted". This is the "unspoken irony" of it all.
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Intelligence is not the crime itself, but thinking your intelligence makes you more worthy in some way is certainly a nest that breeds hatred amoung the powerfull leaders and weak minded alike. To view intelligence as a gift and a duty is fine, to use it for the good of others is surely a good thing, but never believe it is a prerequisite of life, it is merely an addition and often a curse.
The inverse relationship between average I.Q. and crime rate tracks pretty well. For every "Hannibal Lecter" there are a thousand who themselves don't really understand why they killed the MoFo, and got caught because they told everyone who would listen about killing the MoFo, etc. :D
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Yeager, just for being white over here I am an incredibly satisfying target for anyone barring a military brat.
Well, you are definitely in a situation that sounds a lot different from my own experience in US public education 25+ years ago (although we definitely had those who absolutely could not care any less than they did about their own education). Life has a way of balancing these things out in the long term. Good luck and keep a low profile...be smart about it. Don't let the bastards corner you and just graduate the hell out of there.
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See Rule #4
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Is that relationship not manifested by the fact that smart crimes are not being discovered or recorded nearly as often? :noid
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Incorrect. He is choosing to be reclusive and confrontational, but wishes to "blame others for their burdens in life", instead of realizing he's no better.
But his bravado is funny considering a certain thread about a year ago in which he "later recanted". This is the "unspoken irony" of it all.
Firstly, and foremost, I recanted NOTHING. The ONLY thing I will ever take back about that particular conversation was the immaturity I displayed in letting you all get to me. And that is ALL I will say on that. I will NOT be pulled into that again.
Secondly, I am not reclusive at all. I have my friends, and I'm actually quite out-going. I simply do not interact much with the local group. They're not my kind of people. My friends are usually military brats and mainland kids. I will admit, I am confrontational, very much so. How am I no better than those I complain about? I do not go out of my way to make peoples lives more difficult... I make an attempt to be useful to society rather than being a burden being picked up for drug possession, fighting, etc.
BTW, Masherbrum, I'm reporting you to skuzzy for flaming and harassment. You're bringing up an unrelated post in an attempt to get a rise out of me. I'm not that foolish, and even if nothing comes of it, you deserve to be reported at the very least.
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Go ahead and report me. I'm not harassing you, I am merely reading your text of "being a victim" (above) and showing previous examples of you being "deceiving" on the other hand.
You have no problems being.......oh how did you put it on 200 about a week ago? "Judgemental". The exact word you used too.
You cut down other students in your classes with exaggerations and then "Cry foul" when merely faced with blatant facts and truth?
Good luck in the Military, you're going to need it.
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Go ahead and report me. I'm not harassing you, I am merely reading your text of "being a victim" (above) and showing previous examples of you being "deceiving" on the other hand.
You have no problems being.......oh how did you put it on 200 about a week ago? "Judgemental". The exact word you used too.
You cut down other students in your classes with exaggerations and then "Cry foul" when merely faced with blatant facts and truth?
Good luck in the Military, you're going to need it.
I am not addressing the first issue. I have said that many times. It will go nowhere but to get people worked up.
As far as being judgmental, no, I have no problems being judgmental. And you are simply in denial thinking you have never passed judgment on anyone. You don't like me. You don't like what I think. And in order to defend your own deviance, you find the need to attack me. So honestly, go back to smoking your joint. I have wasted too much time talking to a brick wall already.
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I am not addressing the first issue. I have said that many times. It will go nowhere but to get people worked up.
As far as being judgmental, no, I have no problems being judgmental. And you are simply in denial thinking you have never passed judgment on anyone. You don't like me. You don't like what I think. And in order to defend your own deviance, you find the need to attack me. So honestly, go back to smoking your joint. I have wasted too much time talking to a brick wall already.
I don't have a problem with you Serenity. It's your "hypocrisy" that sets you apart from most. "Attack you"? No, the muggers did that. You have no problems building yourself up, but when barely leaned on, you retreat and cry foul. Just like ANY thread you've posted along these lines.
"Smoking a joint"? I don't smoke joints. But I'm glad you are ripping on people getting "Straight F's, while you get Straight A's" and you start your sentences with "And".
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3 days ago was the 2 year anniversary of Virginia Tech Shooting. Hit my school hard.
2 of the victims as well as the shooter went to my school.
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I like you serenity, always have.
Stand down to no one, if you see someone who is down, pick them up, that is all you can ever do.
And yeah you will do just fine in the military, cause news flash people, they (the militarys of this world) dont give a DAMN what you think... feel, need wish or want.
Therefor it makes your personality issues or flaws or whatever COMPLETELY pointless.
Serve your people, and that is all that matters.
Ill say it again, if people wouldn't start something, there wouldn't BE somethin', i cant hold serentiy responsible for being a better young man than someone else. Now..im go smoke a joint. ;)
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Is that relationship not manifested by the fact that smart crimes are not being discovered or recorded nearly as often? :noid
If you have a motive, they'll tend to figure this out and find the evidence to convict you. This holds people back who can foresee consequences, even if some moral notion does not. The decent chance of being caught makes the risk/reward ratio of most crime seem unattractive to those who can think critically about the matter.
I mean, consider that you want a particular person dead. You surely have some good reason for this desire, which can be sniffed out in an investigation. This means you will be under the microscope if this person actually does turn up dead, whether or not you did the deed. How easy would it be to pull off the caper then, in this day and age, without leaving one fingerprint, one molecule of DNA, one witness, one security camera getting you on tape, without leaving anything tying yourself to the weapon? The amount of work alone would be enormous, apart from the risk. Even if you commit the "perfect" crime somehow and nothing can be proven, you can expect to defend yourself in some way, shape, or fashion for it, which would cost time and quite possibly a great deal of money. And note you will be tried by 12 of the dumbest people in your community. :devil Even if not convicted, your community would likely assume you did it anyway, with social repercussions. Besides, if you don't get to look the bastard in the eye as you cross rapiers and pierce his heart, then what may I ask is the point? :D
Thus the intelligent person turns away from unlawful violence and simply prays for his nemesis to be struck with leprosy.
The real difficult ones to catch are those who commit crimes intelligently AND with no easily discerned motive, but like I say, the genius psychopath is far more common in Hollywood than real life.
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I don't have a problem with you Serenity. It's your "hypocrisy" that sets you apart from most. "Attack you"? No, the muggers did that. You have no problems building yourself up, but when barely leaned on, you retreat and cry foul. Just like ANY thread you've posted along these lines.
"Smoking a joint"? I don't smoke joints. But I'm glad you are ripping on people getting "Straight F's, while you get Straight A's" and you start your sentences with "And".
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No, the reason I am calling foul, is because I know my temper. If I had this discussion with you on the street, it would probably end in violence judging by our personalities. One of my biggest flaws is how easy it is to get me upset. But rather than sit here and fight, rather than let my temper get the better of me and risk getting banned for lashing out at you, I am simply reporting your flaming, and refusing to discuss what you so dearly want to drag up from the depths. But yes, I am a hypocrite. I have admitted it many times. Hell, for a period it was even in my signature! I think I will go put it back there now just to be clear.
What can I say? I don't put a particularly high priority on proper grammar and sentence structure when I am having a casual discussion.
I like you serenity, always have.
Stand down to no one, if you see someone who is down, pick them up, that is all you can ever do.
And yeah you will do just fine in the military, cause news flash people, they (the militarys of this world) dont give a DAMN what you think... feel, need wish or want.
Therefor it makes your personality issues or flaws or whatever COMPLETELY pointless.
Serve your people, and that is all that matters.
Ill say it again, if people wouldn't start something, there wouldn't BE somethin', i cant hold serentiy responsible for being a better young man than someone else. Now..im go smoke a joint. ;)
lol. Thank you, I really appreciate that.
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Firstly, and foremost, I recanted NOTHING. The ONLY thing I will ever take back about that particular conversation was the immaturity I displayed in letting you all get to me. And that is ALL I will say on that. I will NOT be pulled into that again.
Kiddo this was a thread about a school shooting tragedy.
So now its what? An "all about me" Serenity thread? :huh
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If you have a motive, they'll tend to figure this out and find the evidence to convict you. This holds people back who can foresee consequences, even if some moral notion does not. The decent chance of being caught makes the risk/reward ratio of most crime seem unattractive to those who can think critically about the matter.
I mean, consider that you want a particular person dead. You surely have some good reason for this desire, which can be sniffed out in an investigation. This means you will be under the microscope if this person actually does turn up dead, whether or not you did the deed. How easy would it be to pull off the caper then, in this day and age, without leaving one fingerprint, one molecule of DNA, one witness, one security camera getting you on tape, without leaving anything tying yourself to the weapon? The amount of work alone would be enormous, apart from the risk. Even if you commit the "perfect" crime somehow and nothing can be proven, you can expect to defend yourself in some way, shape, or fashion for it, which would cost time and quite possibly a great deal of money. And note you will be tried by 12 of the dumbest people in your community. :devil Even if not convicted, your community would likely assume you did it anyway, with social repercussions. Besides, if you don't get to look the bastard in the eye as you cross rapiers and pierce his heart, then what may I ask is the point? :D
Thus the intelligent person turns away from unlawful violence and simply prays for his nemesis to be struck with leprosy.
The real difficult ones to catch are those who commit crimes intelligently AND with no easily discerned motive, but like I say, the genius psychopath is far more common in Hollywood than real life.
Intresting and vaild points. If you wanted someone dead you could dress in black from head to toe and use a 9mm pistol, study the target briefly to estimate daily routines for a safe intercept point and never let them know you were there. Motives in a criminal network would not often be obvious to police untill any chance of evidence is long gone.
There are a list of crimes that are obviously only for idiots who think that in this age they can get away with walking into a post office with a sawn-off and riding off into the sunset. A majority of these criminals that get caught could easily have done it through desperation, fear, fun or any number of reasons than plain stupidity.
In school children strive to break the rules. Some always get away with it and swagger past the detention line smilling at the unfortunates. Adult criminal activity is the same. Just because there is a long line in detention after school for bullying, stealing, smoking and what have you, does not mean the kids who relieved the cash box from the staff office are not eating ice cream by the river unbeknown to anyone else. Theft of money is by far the worst crime on the list and only attempted by those smart enough to devise a method of getting away with it.
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Kiddo this was a thread about a school shooting tragedy.
So now its what? An "all about me" Serenity thread? :huh
Um... can I not respond to a post directed at me?
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What effect on the school system did Columbine have? It happened my Freshman year, and after that, it seemed like we (I was one of the screw ups at school) got away with much, much, much more. Really, the administration just stopped trying over the next year.
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What effect on the school system did Columbine have? It happened my Freshman year, and after that, it seemed like we (I was one of the screw ups at school) got away with much, much, much more. Really, the administration just stopped trying over the next year.
Yeah lets get on topic, enough of this kids life.
Well for me being high school at the time, we were taught about what to do in an emergency.
We also had NBC come to our school and do a national show on my high school and how eeriely similar it was to Columbine High School. Which was weird, but me and my classmates got to discuss how we felt about the whole situtation on national television which was pretty cool.
Of course this also prompted 2 bomb scares and 3 school shooting threats during my last couple of years at the school, none of which amounted to anything. The last shooting threat was kind of a wild situtation, the police took it very seriously and we had the Swat team outside, a cop on ever corner of the hallway and bomb sniffing dogs checking bags at the door. I got to make a cameo on the local news station for that one.
Basically after Columbine I was ALOT more nervous at school, for awhile there I just didn't really feel safe. Just a sad day.
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What effect on the school system did Columbine have? It happened my Freshman year, and after that, it seemed like we (I was one of the screw ups at school) got away with much, much, much more. Really, the administration just stopped trying over the next year.
I had graduated the previous year when it happened, and those friends of mine who were still in HS kept me informed of how Stalinist Carthage High School went. And of course, the students and parents just went along with it. Love or hate the youth of the '60s (and believe me, I hate 'em on a lot of counts), at least they had a spirit of resistance. Sure, the actions of a couple of psychos means everybody's dignities and liberties should be infringed upon...what it actually means is that we let the little psychos WIN by changing our lives and accepting BS on account of them, just like we let the 9/11 terrorists WIN.
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Yeah lets get on topic, enough of this kids life.
Thank you, "boy that kid will argue and babble till he's blue in the face".
For Law Enforcement, since Columbine, there have been changes in tactics. Which Im not going to discuss here. I dont fault those guys out there cause I dont know the full story. No doubt there was a lot of confusion and the presence of so many IEDs changed everything. Having different agencies respond didnt help communication either.
For us nothing much changed. We are used to violence in and around schools and when something happens we dont wait around for anything. We simply mob it with a sea of blue. Besides we have metal detectors and Police at all our High Schools.
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Thats alot of personal insight for someone who was complaining about another poster's personal experiences in the modern schooling system being voiced! :P
You think the police know more than the students?
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The thing i was confused about, SWAT was there, they could have gone in and helped, but they waited afew hours, multiple lives could have been saved
-BigBOBCH
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imo, this thread is giving them what they wanted from it all. We can salute the sad loss sure, I for one dont want to keep it in the air past sorrow.
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imo, this thread is giving them what they wanted from it all. We can salute the sad loss sure, I for one dont want to keep it in the air past sorrow.
If it makes you feel any better Bat, I believe there is a Hell.
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imo, this thread is giving them what they wanted from it all. We can salute the sad loss sure, I for one dont want to keep it in the air past sorrow.
Bingo.