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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: fscott on October 24, 2000, 10:37:00 AM
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AH will be turning into a freak show of obscure aeroplanes if we continue in the direction of late war, almost non-existing aircraft. Heck why not just model all the late war German prototypes that never saw combat? A Ta152? Come on HT... Heck let's just start flying post-war aircraft too. The funny thing is we have a 109F, yet no Hurricane's or early Zero's. If we are doing late-war stuff, where is the A6M8, and why the A6M5b? Adding the uber-super-planes will really cause a great imbalance in teh game. As it stands right now I have a hard enough time getting around in my A6M5b. If you are going to make it even that much harder to fly a Zeke by adding uber-alles-planes, then why the heck even put a Zeke in there?
Too bad we can't be flying Wildcat's and A6M2's. Mark my words, AH will soon feel like the "Experimental Aircraft Arena" when these new super-planes arrive. maybe some want that. Me, I came to fly aircraft in a historically accurate arena, meaning, I don't want prototypes that never saw combat. When you do that, then where do you draw the line? 1946? 1947? 1952?
The last time I checked this game was called ACES HIGH. I don't remember anyone claiming ace status in a Ta152.
fscott
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Man, do I agree. Damn freak show!! Where is the Hurricane or the F4F? How about the Mossie, the Betty, and the B-25? Can anyone spell Kate Torpedo bomber???? At least throw in the P-51B or the P-47 Razorback!!
The Ta152??? Come on, get real! Next it will be the He162, P-80 and the F8F Bearcat!! Wait, if we vote enough, lets get the F-86 Sabre!! Hell, lets throw in the entire plane set for the Korean conflict too!!
Planes, Planes, Planes!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Where are the truck convoys running supplies to bases from cities and depots. Supplies! Ya know for fuel and spare parts. Supply truck convoys protected by M16s! Thats where the real fun would be! Hello!! Wake Up Call!!!! Is there anybody in there??? Yo! McFly!!!!
A good way to fix this so-called "problem" is to have multiple areas. When you sign on you have a choice of MA (Early Plane Set) and MA (Late Plane Set).
Have a Nice Day!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 10-24-2000).]
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with you guys 100%. kinda concerned about this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Maik
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that after V1.05, we start to see earlier war stuff, since all the 'cards' will be in place.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
I'll bet dollars to donuts that after V1.05, we start to see earlier war stuff, since all the 'cards' will be in place.
Don't bet them so easily. 1.05 will be the naval release, and I dont see how can they get the time to model those wonderful latewar kites,and to put the perk system thing, if it is not in 1.06
No problem...I know to wait to have my D9 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-24-2000).]
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Do a search on the UBB for Pyro and HiTech's coments about the 'perk' system instead of going off half cocked on heresay, inuendo and conjecture.
-Westy
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I'm willing to be that HTC has a plan.
Fury
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We're going to do late-war planes and we're going to do early-war planes. Some people will complain when we do the late-war planes and some will complain when we do the early-war planes. I suspect that the majority will just enjoy having them available.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Sopwith Camel?
DR1?
Inquiring minds want to know?
Yeager
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Yeager said:
> Sopwith Camel?
> DR1?
> Inquiring minds want to know?
>Yeager
NA, Ansalvo (sp?) SV5's
MC202
Dino in Reno
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Im sure that HTC crew, who are all very hard experienced in this area, knows, which way to head. Just sit back and relax. They just cant do everything at the same time.
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FWIW, I'm not concerned by the direction this game is going. I would like to have pretty much any plane available in the MA. If I am to make a set of different arenas, perhaps I would choose prop planes in one, jets in another one, that's all. Flight characteristics are way too different to mix them up alltogether, IMHO. But have no problem flying them all in the MA. When I'm upset about being shot down by hordes of HOing CHogs (or a sigle one) or Permanent-E-State-N1K2, I relax myself panzing or ostying a little bit. If I'm really p**ssed off, I fly a CHog myself and get dirty HOing everyone in sight (as somebody said here, yes, I've done that, yes, I'm a dweeb, and yes, I die (quite a lot) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). If I want a historically accurate battle, I joing Events, Scenarios....that kind of things allow to prove yourself you are no allied opportunist, Luftwaffe wheenie, alt-monkey (put your favourite insult when shot down here) after all.
So...I would say let HT team work as hard as usual, make positive suggestions, and they will have everything fixed sooner or later (my bet is in sooner).
Did I say anywhere else <S> HTC?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheers,
Pepino.
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Sometimes I think that Pyro throws darts at a dartboard to determine the next round of planes. Often times, they make no sense.
I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it: Stay with one era of planes, and complete the planeset. THEN, move onto the next era.
What frustrates me is when they jump all over the historical timeline and introduce one or two planes from an era. If I could give Pyro one piece of advice(not that he would listen to me, of course), it would be to finish an era of planes first, and only then move onto introducing planes from other eras. To do otherwise is to relegate some planes to semi-permanent hanger duty(see C.202 and A6M5b and Spit 5).
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Fscott, nice post.
PYRO,
thanks for the feedback. I hope we wont wait too long for them.
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GATT
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[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 10-25-2000).]
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Well... technically speaking, the A6M5b IS a late war bird that fits in totally with the rest of the planeset in regards to their historic release and period of operations.
The problem is that its performance is most comparable to many of the other nations midwar designs.
And people wonder why the F4U and the F6F racked up such an impressive K/D ratio ?
When Pyro announced the introduction of the A6M5b, many people asked why the Zeke, when aircraft such as the Ki-84, the Ki-61, or the Raiden, would have fit into the planeset much better. His answer was basically that the Zeke was more representative.
Which is understandable, especially with the "representative first" crowd on the BBS. But the obvious result is that the A6M5b have a difficult time against other birds of that era.
Personally (like banana), I would like to see them finish up the latewar planeset (most of our planeset) and then move backwards towards the midwar set (which we have a few of already), and wait for the early war stuff for the last (none exist in AH).
Here is what (IMO) is really needed to complete the LateWar Set:
US -- P47M (or N), F4U-4, F6F-5 (which is otw)
Britian -- Spit XIV, Tempest
Germany -- Fw190D9, Fw190F8 (or G8)
Russian -- La7, Yak3
Japanese -- Ki84, Ki-61
Now if you notice, this matches pretty close to Pyro's list in the customer preference poll in this section (plus a few obvious Perk planes).
Lets face the facts guys, while some players like the early & midwar matchups, by far the majority of players like the latewar 1944-45 aircraft.
So I figure thats the route HTC is taking.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 10-25-2000).]
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Lets face the facts guys, while some players like the early & midwar matchups, by far the majority of players like the latewar 1944-45 aircraft
Hi Verm,
I'm afraid your right ... hmmmm, your personal opinion why the majority like more late-war?
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GATT
4° Stormo Caccia - Knights (http://www.4stormo.it)
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Vermillon, if that is the planes we will get then that is wonderful. What I was fearful of is the prototypes, and aircraft that never saw enough combat to be "proven." I'm fine with your list though.
fscott
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Personally, my favorite period of the war is the early war. But I could see the writing on the wall from HTC straight away. So, while I'd really, really love to see early war here, it makes more sense to just start at the end of the war and work backwards.
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Me...
Early to mid war is my personal favourite..
SKurj
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Everyone knows that '43 ETO brings the best game play... well except for damn game designers who don't seem to realize it.
// fats
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ETO? Been there done that.
Eastern Front would be much more interesting. You can have 1:1 scenario maps that don't involve hours of flying. None of this fuel multiplier BS is needed.
Low level furballs, armored units overruning airfields, suicidal dive bombers and attack planes? Some of the defenders of "realism" say this is "arcade", but guess what? All that stuff happened countless times on the Eastern Front. You can have dweeby fun and hard core realism at the same time.
Also Mid-war ETO had no ground combat. Eastern Front gives you constant combined arms battles.
Post-Overlord ETO does give you combined arms, but by then the Luftwaffe was not a factor over the battlefields, and the battle on the ground was one-sided as well. But in the East air superiority was in dispute for most of the war, and the ground war went in favor of both sides at times.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-26-2000).]
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I was hoping that the release of 1.05 and a PAC would be an opportunity to create an early war environment. Would love to be flying Wildcats and P-40's against early war Japanese planes. Would be a kick for players who like the Japanese planes to have an advantage.
Oh well, guess I can wait.
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Hi Verm,
I'm afraid your right ... hmmmm, your personal opinion why the majority like more late-war?
Gatt, this is just my personal guess, so take it with a grain of salt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Two reasons, and both are very "American" in attitude. But we have to remember that the majority of the player base is American.
1.) Why should I want to fly a P-40B, when I knew that the P-51D, can kick its hind end, and is much better!! {in kewldude pilots voice} Its an American attitude of always wanting the lastest, greatest, fastest, basically what they percieve as the "best". And so that equates to the latest planes from WWII, that can still be considered that they are actually from WWII.
2.)The "America is the Best" syndrome. I mean after all didn't America come into the war and kick everyones butt and win the war? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) We both know this isn't necessarily the truth, but its what alot of Americans think of WWII based mostly on old John Wayne movies. So in what period did America and her Allies totally dominate the war? Yep, you guessed it, the Late war.
Now, I'm just doing a little amatuer psychology here, but you see a little bit of what I'm trying to get across. I think #1 is the major reason, with a little bit of subconcious #2 thrown in for good measure.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Sodding P-51H's, and Ta-152's!!!
This games gonna end up like the WWF..lots of steroids..not much action
I agree with Vermillion about the Yank based late war toejame thats dominates the BBS. Saddled with the usual LW whining about a token few Kurt Tank designs.
Don't worry about the 2 years of a war that the US didn't fight in. And just ignore the soviet ,commonwealth, and axis early/mid war types which numbered in their THOUSANDS! And concentrate on a couple of muscle cars that "might" have seen a couple of solid weeks of action, instead of the mundane types which turned a war.
That way we can all sit back and smile at the poor fools stupid enough to try to take up a lanc, or zero and last more than a few minutes before that Ta-152/P-47M rips it a new stunninghunk.
But at least your US money base with be pleased with themselves...
Tronsky RNZAF
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