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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: budika on April 27, 2009, 09:46:54 AM
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- Standard, super-charged Merlin Engine with just a little more boost.
- Change in armament:
* 4 .50 cal
* 2 20mil canon (NON PERKED)
- change in cockpit
* removal of view-blocking armored back head rest
* 360 degree view Bubble canopy.
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I can't say i've heard of the p51e before.
Have you created this plane yourself?
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I can't say i've heard of the p51e before.
Have you created this plane yourself?
At One post, I'd say that's a yes. Or maybe he already took out the head armor as suggested and the 50 cal-sized trough in his head is causing hallucinations. :)
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At One post, I'd say that's a yes. Or maybe he already took out the head armor as suggested and the 50 cal-sized trough in his head is causing hallucinations. :)
:lol Chuckles!!!
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:lol Chuckles!!!
Actually, feeling kinda bad about that post. Don't encourage me. ;)
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It was actually planned but never developed:
P-51E: designation planned for Dallas P-51 But not used, aircraft completed as P-51 D-NT
XP-51F (NA-105): lightweight model (9,060 lbs)
Structure almost completely redesigned
V-1650-7 twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled Merlin w/Simmons automatic boost control for constant manifold pressure
5635 lbs. empty, 7610 lbs. Normal, 9,060 lbs. max,
466 mph @ 29,000 ft, 4.9 minutes to 19, 500ft, service ceiling 42,500 ft
Four 0.5 wing mounted machine guns
Redesigned cooling & hydraulic systems
Low-drag wing w/straight leading edge
Three completed, one to RAF
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Ok... you've got me curious. someone suggested that I'd already made those changes to the aircraft; I wasn't aware that this was possible, but if it is possible, how does one go about doing this?
As for taking a round in the back of the head: how many pony jocks can actually recall taking damage to that area of the aircraft given it's current performance the manner in which most P-51 drivers use the aircraft while attacking an opponent? I for one, when flying this fighter don't like to get myself caught up in a slow turning fight this the P-51. It's gifts are much better utilized when E is greater, rather than download fur-balling. Over all the P-51 is not a good fur-balling aircraft and bleeds off energy quickly at low alt turn and burn fights. Unlike the Spit, Hurricane and assorted Japanese fighters who's endowments allow for close-quarter, slow turn-and-burn fur-balling.
While watching Dogfights on the History Channel I believe I heard of a "late" war version that had considerable upgrades - don't think 20 mil canons were part of the package - but it definitely had much improved visibility due to the change in the canopy configuration allowing for an almost 360 degree clear view, whereas the model D in the game does not. There is a blind spot and in my experience, most going up against 109's it's a lethal blind spot.
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It was actually planned but never developed:
P-51E: designation planned for Dallas P-51 But not used, aircraft completed as P-51 D-NT
XP-51F (NA-105): lightweight model (9,060 lbs)
Structure almost completely redesigned
V-1650-7 twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled Merlin w/Simmons automatic boost control for constant manifold pressure
5635 lbs. empty, 7610 lbs. Normal, 9,060 lbs. max,
466 mph @ 29,000 ft, 4.9 minutes to 19, 500ft, service ceiling 42,500 ft
Four 0.5 wing mounted machine guns
Redesigned cooling & hydraulic systems
Low-drag wing w/straight leading edge
Three completed, one to RAF
Now _THATS_ what I'm talking about. Add the 20 mil canons and it's a serious killer.
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Ok... you've got me curious. someone suggested that I'd already made those changes to the aircraft; I wasn't aware that this was possible, but if it is possible, how does one go about doing this?
The same way as repairing damage works, park on rearm pad and say "custom loadout" over range vox. Gotta articulate clearly enough for the vox translator to catch the command.
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It was actually planned but never developed:
P-51E: designation planned for Dallas P-51 But not used, aircraft completed as P-51 D-NT
XP-51F (NA-105): lightweight model (9,060 lbs)
Structure almost completely redesigned
V-1650-7 twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled Merlin w/Simmons automatic boost control for constant manifold pressure
5635 lbs. empty, 7610 lbs. Normal, 9,060 lbs. max,
466 mph @ 29,000 ft, 4.9 minutes to 19, 500ft, service ceiling 42,500 ft
Four 0.5 wing mounted machine guns
Redesigned cooling & hydraulic systems
Low-drag wing w/straight leading edge
Three completed, one to RAF
As I understand it, the D-NT's were just plain-jane P-51D's built here in Dallas, alongside the B-25 production line.
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Now _THATS_ what I'm talking about. Add the 20 mil canons and it's a serious killer.
What you're describing is the P-51H (minus the cannons of course), and we'll never see that. None saw combat.
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LoL, this is the worst thread ever. Welcome to generation Xbox.
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The same way as repairing damage works, park on rearm pad and say "custom loadout" over range vox. Gotta articulate clearly enough for the vox translator to catch the command.
I giggled
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Leave it to m00t to help assuage my guilt by being an even bigger j*ckazz. :lol
LoL, this is the worst thread ever. Welcome to generation Xbox.
Thx Tec. We try. :aok
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LoL, this is the worst thread ever. Welcome to generation Xbox.
I think someone needs a hug. :O Good luck with that. :lol
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The same way as repairing damage works, park on rearm pad and say "custom loadout" over range vox. Gotta articulate clearly enough for the vox translator to catch the command.
ah-HA! now there's the rub. I don't yet have a head-set, so I can't talk to the critter that way. Although now you've given me even more reason to get myself into the doghouse with the wife. What would you recommend?
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Ok... you've got me curious. someone suggested that I'd already made those changes to the aircraft; I wasn't aware that this was possible, but if it is possible, how does one go about doing this?
They are just pulling your chain, there isn't anyway to change the game like that.
As for taking a round in the back of the head: how many pony jocks can actually recall taking damage to that area of the aircraft given it's current performance the manner in which most P-51 drivers use the aircraft while attacking an opponent? I for one, when flying this fighter don't like to get myself caught up in a slow turning fight this the P-51. It's gifts are much better utilized when E is greater, rather than download fur-balling. Over all the P-51 is not a good fur-balling aircraft and bleeds off energy quickly at low alt turn and burn fights. Unlike the Spit, Hurricane and assorted Japanese fighters who's endowments allow for close-quarter, slow turn-and-burn fur-balling.
While watching Dogfights on the History Channel I believe I heard of a "late" war version that had considerable upgrades - don't think 20 mil canons were part of the package - but it definitely had much improved visibility due to the change in the canopy configuration allowing for an almost 360 degree clear view, whereas the model D in the game does not. There is a blind spot and in my experience, most going up against 109's it's a lethal blind spot.
The 51 is a great furball machine, and can surprise many with how it does turn if flown well. Don't get suckered into believeing its only a BnZ type aircraft. View is about the best in the game, as long as you adjust the head position and save it.
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:o Guess there's one born every minute. :salute
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Yeah just pulling your leg Budika. Pass it on ;)
We just may see the 51H. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26277.0.html
Note that e.g. the 47N only showed up 5 years later.. And they may have changed their plans since that poll was suggested, so take it with a grain of salt.. But the 51H, 47M, and Yak9UT are the only three out of eleven missing.
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Yeah just pulling your leg Budika. Pass it on ;)
We just may see the 51H. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26277.0.html
Note that e.g. the 47N only showed up 5 years later.. And they may have changed their plans since that poll was suggested, so take it with a grain of salt.. But the 51H, 47M, and Yak9UT are the only three out of eleven missing.
well... this much I know. Since I'm only 3 months old in the game I've learned that flying a spit it's easy to kill a P-51, but if I'm flying a P-51 those spits are a bugger to kill - sometimes. I think my biggest problem is a tend to over-steer (heavy handed on the stick and forget to use throttle and flaps with the pony as much as I should). Since I can't use flaps above 120 on a spit I've learned to use the throttle very effectively. The only aircraft then that gives me fits is the Corsair which is an excellent slow TnB fighter that can use throttle and flaps like the mustang, but has a much slower stall speed. I can't fly the blasted corsair cause I can stinkin see outa the darned thing. But I LOVE killin them! :t
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- change in cockpit
* removal of view-blocking armored back head rest
Just to ask, do you know you can modify and set custom views for your hat switch - so that your aft view does not face directly back into the headrest ??
(or get Track IR and solve the problem from a different direction)
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Budika head positions can be modified by holding down each one, moving the head position with arrows and pgup/pgdn, and then pressing F10 to save that position. Fwd view can be modified as well, effectively making it a second view position (no buttons pressed looks forward too, and that too can be modified the same way)
The clearest advantage that the 51 holds against the spitfire is its agility at high speed and ability to hold that higher speed much more easily. In this respect it's a lot like the 190 - it's at its best flying fast.
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Just to ask, do you know you can modify and set custom views for your hat switch - so that your aft view does not face directly back into the headrest ??
(or get Track IR and solve the problem from a different direction)
quite aware. I usually look over my right shoulder... not sure why that is; probably because I'm right-handed I s'pose. It's just that the headrest in the P-51 and especially in the Corsair really bugs the crap outa me. I hate having a blind-spot.
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Budika head positions can be modified by holding down each one, moving the head position with arrows and pgup/pgdn, and then pressing F10 to save that position. Fwd view can be modified as well, effectively making it a second view position (no buttons pressed looks forward too, and that too can be modified the same way)
The clearest advantage that the 51 holds against the spitfire is its agility at high speed and ability to hold that higher speed much more easily. In this respect it's a lot like the 190 - it's at its best flying fast.
Indeed you're correct. The bane of my AH existence is the BF109 though. I hate those miserable little fly-like creatures with a passion and get great, immense, overwhelming joy when I kill one. :rock
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Yeah just pulling your leg Budika. Pass it on ;)
We just may see the 51H. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26277.0.html
Note that e.g. the 47N only showed up 5 years later.. And they may have changed their plans since that poll was suggested, so take it with a grain of salt.. But the 51H, 47M, and Yak9UT are the only three out of eleven missing.
Honestly, don't know why the P-51H was even mentioned in that poll. Came too late to see any action in WW2, which alone would disqualify itself from being added to the planeset.
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Because it's a fun plane AKAK :) Same reason you'd get a kick out of a borderline post-war or rare field mod 38 model.
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While watching Dogfights on the History Channel I believe I heard of a "late" war version that had considerable upgrades - don't think 20 mil canons were part of the package - but it definitely had much improved visibility due to the change in the canopy configuration allowing for an almost 360 degree clear view, whereas the model D in the game does not. There is a blind spot and in my experience, most going up against 109's it's a lethal blind spot.
The P51D has among the best visibility in the game, due to it's bubble canopy (which is probably what they were talking about with dogfights, who knows though with the amount of research they did with that show, or lack thereof). The problem you're encountering is the head armor. You can use the arrow keys/page up+page down to maneuver your rear snap view into a better position to see around the plate, and then press F10 to save that position.
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Aaaaaaaah... I didn't know you could move vertically on that. I thought I was only about to move from side to side and that was it. Unless of course you're pulling this noob's leg as an earlier poster was.
I shall have to check this.
At any rate I would love to see the next version, after the D, of the Mustang in the game.
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Aaaaaaaah... I didn't know you could move vertically on that. I thought I was only about to move from side to side and that was it. Unless of course you're pulling this noob's leg as an earlier poster was.
I shall have to check this.
At any rate I would love to see the next version, after the D, of the Mustang in the game.
I'm pretty sure the D was the last model used in WWII. I know the H version was built but never got to the front in time.
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At any rate I would love to see the next version, after the D, of the Mustang in the game.
You won't, the D was the last version to see combat in any war, let alone WWII. And unless it saw combat before the end of WWII, it's exempt from ever being added.
Unless they decide to add a few planes from the Korean War, in which case the P-51 is still SOL.
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I think someone needs a hug. :O Good luck with that. :lol
But you're the one that needs to read more. <no smilie needed>
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Click HERE (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/flash/headposition.htm) for a tutorial I put together. Its hosted at the Trainers Site (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com) with a number of others.
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Because it's a fun plane AKAK :) Same reason you'd get a kick out of a borderline post-war or rare field mod 38 model.
But you don't see me asking for P-38 variants that never saw operational service or combat.
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Although you would fly em, and so HTC sees fit to answer that demand, even implicit.. To keep the game as fun as it could be.
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Unless they decide to add a few planes from the Korean War, in which case the P-51 is still SOL.
The P-51H would be but not the P-51D which did see significant usage with both the US and ROK air forces.
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Although you would fly em, and so HTC sees fit to answer that demand, even implicit.. To keep the game as fun as it could be.
Actually, I would be against adding them to the game.
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That's surprising.. Then again I don't know exactly what the late war and post-war and rare field mods were for the P38, so it doesn't tell me much. IIRC the 51H and F7F were both in combat duty when war ended. They didn't shoot anything down (or shot down something, can't recall what) but IMO pass that criteria. It was simple bad "luck" that they didn't get any trigger time.
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Why is it surprising? If it didn't see operational service or combat, it shouldn't be added to the planeset regardless of my views on the plane.
ack-ack
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- Standard, super-charged Merlin Engine with just a little more boost.
- Change in armament:
* 4 .50 cal
* 2 20mil canon (NON PERKED)
- change in cockpit
* removal of view-blocking armored back head rest
* 360 degree view Bubble canopy.
A little more reading and you would've found that it was never used in combat.
-FYB
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Why is it surprising? If it didn't see operational service or combat, it shouldn't be added to the planeset regardless of my views on the plane.
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With the addendum that I don't know where on that grey area the P38's late models are.. I'd probably not encourage a hypothetical (190D11, 13, 152C all saw combat) rare 190, if it were added id enjoy the poop out of it.
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A little more reading and you would've found that it was never used in combat.
-FYB
A little more reading and you'd see that this was already mentioned in a few previous replies.
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The P-51H would be but not the P-51D which did see significant usage with both the US and ROK air forces.
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Thats what I meant- it still wouldn't get a new version, even with a new war.
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A little more reading and you'd see that this was already mentioned in a few previous replies.
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I find it a little hard to believe you're honestly saying that.
-FYB
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I giggled
me too!!
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I find it a little hard to believe you're honestly saying that.
-FYB
It was actually planned but never developed:
<snip rest of post>
And now you know why I think you're not very intelligent.
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And now you know why I think you're not very intelligent.
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Seems to me, that you yourself can't see the stupidity that you show.
You argue with someone for what, a small, yet to your opinion stupid post? I just gave him a heads-up, its not entitled that i read everyone's posts when hes the one with the idea. You're starting an argument for, well, nothing really.
Goes to show how much of a genius you are.
-FYB
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LoL, this is the worst thread ever. Welcome to generation Xbox.
:rofl
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Seems to me, that you yourself can't see the stupidity that you show.
You argue with someone for what, a small, yet to your opinion stupid post? I just gave him a heads-up, its not entitled that i read everyone's posts when hes the one with the idea. You're starting an argument for, well, nothing really.
Goes to show how much of a genius you are.
-FYB
Don't take this the wrong way, but aren't you 14 years old, and just dismissed from that jolly rogers navy squad?
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Im 14 :noid
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Don't take this the wrong way, but aren't you 14 years old, and just dismissed from that jolly rogers navy squad?
No, second, yes (bout maybe a month or more ago). But it was for something, other than that.
:noid
-FYB
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well... this much I know. Since I'm only 3 months old in the game I've learned that flying a spit it's easy to kill a P-51, but if I'm flying a P-51 those spits are a bugger to kill - sometimes. I think my biggest problem is a tend to over-steer (heavy handed on the stick and forget to use throttle and flaps with the pony as much as I should). Since I can't use flaps above 120 on a spit I've learned to use the throttle very effectively. The only aircraft then that gives me fits is the Corsair which is an excellent slow TnB fighter that can use throttle and flaps like the mustang, but has a much slower stall speed. I can't fly the blasted corsair cause I can stinkin see outa the darned thing. But I LOVE killin them! :t
If you want to fight a good corsair pilot, check out the VF-17/VF-31 and VMF-251 COs and XOs. Those navy based squads use the Hellcat and COrsair primarily. Plus they are a great bunch of people.
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A little more reading and you would've found that it was never used in combat.
Now I just found this on-line about the different P-51's.
P-51H (NA-126/129) lightweight version similar to XP-51F except longer fuselage, taller fin
V-1650-9A twelve-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled Merlin 1,380 hp /take-off, 2,218 hp/at altitude w/water injection
6585lbs empty, 9500lbs normal, 11,500lbs max
1380 hp @ takeoff , 2218 hp war emergency power @ 10,200 ft., 1900 hp @ 20,000 ft w/water injection
444 mph at 5000 ft, 463 mph at 15,000 ft, and 487 mph at 25,000 ft
5000ft in 1.5 minutes, 15,000ft in 5 minutes
Six 0.5-in wing guns
555 NA-126 s completed, 1,445 NA-129s cancelled
First flown by Bob Chilton on February 3, 1945, whether or not the P-51H participated in combat in World War II is still controversial
Here is the Site:
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-51_Variants.html (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P-51_Variants.html)
The first line says the H model was the same of the F model but with a longer fuselage
The last line on the spec. for the H model is interesting.
Enjoy
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Some of the P-51A's (more accurately Mustang Mk.I's) did come with four 20 millimeter cannons and saw combat service.
Seeing a cannon equiped P-51 is not impossible given the current requirements.
It was quickly evident that performance, although exceptional up to 15,000 ft (4,600 m), was markedly reduced at higher altitudes. This deficiency was due largely to the single speed, single stage supercharger of the Allison V-1710 engine, where power diminished rapidly above the critical altitude rating. Prior to the Mustang project, the USAAC had Allison concentrate primarily on turbochargers in concert with General Electric; these proved to be exceptional in the P-38 Lightning and other high-altitude aircraft, in particular, the Air Corp's four-engine bombers. Most of the other uses for the Allison were for low-altitude designs, where a simpler supercharger would suffice. The turbocharger proved impractical in the Mustang, and it was forced to use the inadequate supercharger available. Still, the Mustang's advanced aerodynamics showed to advantage, as the Mustang Mk.I was about 30 mph (48 km/h) faster than contemporary Curtiss P-40 fighters, using the same powerplant (the V-1710-39 producing 1,220 hp (910 kW) at 10,500 ft (3,200 m), driving a 10 ft 6 in (3.2 m) diameter, three-blade Curtiss-Electric propeller).[7] The Mustang Mk.I was 30 mph (48 km/h) faster than the Spitfire Mk VC at 5,000 ft (1,500 m) and 35 mph (56 km/h) faster at 15,000 ft (4,600 m), despite the British aircraft's more powerful engine.[8]
The first production contract was awarded by the British for 320 NA-73 fighters, named Mustang Mk.I by the British (the name being selected by an anonymous member of the Purchasing Commission). Two aircraft of this lot delivered to the USAAC for evaluation were designated XP-51.[9] About 20 Mustang Mk.Is were delivered to the RAF, making their combat debut on 10 May 1942. With their long range and excellent low-level performance, they were employed effectively for tactical reconnaissance and ground-attack duties over the English Channel, but were thought to be of limited value as fighters due to their poor performance above 15,000 ft (4,600 m).
A second British contract called for 300 more (NA-83) Mustang Mk.I fighters. In September 1940, 150 aircraft, designated NA-91 by North American, were ordered under the Lend/Lease program. These were designated by the USAAF as P-51 and initially named Apache, although this was soon dropped and the RAF name, Mustang, adopted instead. The British designated this model as Mustang Mk.IA. The Mustang Mk IA was identical to the Mustang Mk I except that the wing-mounted machine guns were removed and replaced with four long-barrelled 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano Mk II cannon.
A number of aircraft from this lot were fitted out by the USAAF as F-6A photo-reconnaissance aircraft. The British would fit a number of Mustang Mk.Is with similar equipment. Also, two aircraft of this lot were fitted with Packard-built Merlin engines.[10][11] These were identified as the Model NA-101 by North American and XP-78 by the USAAF, later redesignated XP-51B.
On 23 June 1942 a contract was placed for 1,200 P-51As (NA-99s), later reduced to 310 aircraft. The P-51A was the first version to be procured as a fighter by the USAAF, and used a new Allison V-1710-81 engine, a development of the -39, driving a 10 ft 9 in (3.3 m) diameter, three bladed Curtiss-Electric propeller. The armament was changed to four wing-mounted .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns, two in each wing, with a maximum of 350 rpg for the inboard guns and 280 rpg for the outboard. Other improvements were made in parallel with the A-36, including an improved, fixed air duct inlet replacing the moveable fitting of previous Mustang models and the fitting of wing racks able to carry either 75 gal (284 l) or 150 gal (568 l) drop tanks, increasing the maximum ferry range to 2,740 mi (4,410 km) with the 150 gal (568 l) tanks. The top speed was raised to 409 mph (658 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3,000 m). 50 aircraft were shipped to England, serving as Mustang Mk.IIs in the RAF.[12]
This was pulled off of Wiki....not a great source but certainly verifiable. I believe it also had the same bubble canopy as the later B model. Other than performance and the model of engine this isnt far from what he is asking for.
Regards
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That's surprising.. Then again I don't know exactly what the late war and post-war and rare field mods were for the P38, so it doesn't tell me much. IIRC the 51H and F7F were both in combat duty when war ended. They didn't shoot anything down (or shot down something, can't recall what) but IMO pass that criteria. It was simple bad "luck" that they didn't get any trigger time.
The only "field modifications" were the boost and RPM being turned up to actual Lockheed/Allison specifications by some units who were "educated" by Lockheed and Allison field personnel (yields a top speed of 442MPH according to factory test data). There were supposedly a few in the field with different gun packages.
The only P-38 that was a better performer than a P-38L-x-Lo (the "x" being a 1, a 5, or a 10, depending on the production block) was the P-38K prototype. One actual prototype was built from scratch, no photos exist, and one was created from a factory test mule. Data can be found at the link entitled "Whatever Happened to the P-38K?" at Widewing's site.
The "turned up" P-38L-x-Lo saw combat, and scored, from around 6-7/44 on, but will almost certainly never exist in the AH world, and if it does it will almost certainly be perked, probably heavily.
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Thank you.
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Are you talking about the P-51M ? The M is the Dallas model.
It was actually planned but never developed:
P-51E: designation planned for Dallas P-51 But not used, aircraft completed as P-51 D-NT
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First flown by Bob Chilton on February 3, 1945, whether or not the P-51H participated in combat in World War II is still controversial
Why is it controversial? There is absolutely no evidence of any H model seeing combat in the Pacific and it was deemed unsuitable for combat operations in Korea. What evidence is there that proves otherwise?
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I might be wrong but I think Widewing said the H shot something or other down in the short time it was on combat duty. Maybe I'm thinking of the F8F or F7F.
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Are you talking about the P-51M ? The M is the Dallas model.
P-51C and P-51K were built in Dallas. Never heard of a P-51M. Never heard of a P-51E for that matter.
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OMG! I would love to see a Korean war arena. can you imagine the fun to be had flying the saber?WOW :rock