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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texasmom on April 27, 2009, 03:39:52 PM
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I am more annoyed with the Mother for being upset that her daughter has to suffer consequences in this instance than I am about the girl skipping school. If you skip, prepare yourself for consequences... and if you're a big enough girl to spend the weekend in jail as a result, go for it!
http://cbs5.com/watercooler/fort.worth.truancy.2.995684.html
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:huh
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(so terribly sorry, I intended this to be in the O'Club!)
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(so terribly sorry, I intended this to be in the O'Club!)
Apparently your Forum gunnery needs some work... You missed. :D
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Perhaps mom, should be her cellie? A little mother/daughter get-together?
I am all for the parents getting punished for the deeds of their underage children. I bet it would make the parents pay more attention to developing the behavior of their children.
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The article indicates that the daughter is in jail instead of juvenile detention because she is not underage.
Actually, Why does she have to go to school if she's an adult?
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LOL !!! Im so glad that Sweden don't have stupid laws like that.
Man, I would have been in jail all the weekends :D
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You're upset with the mother?
All she did was skip school. That isn't a jail offense.
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She has 18 illegal absences. You get a hefty fine for 5 (at least in my state).
Obviously if she skipped school 18 times she isn't a 'good kid'.
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Sounds like the girl and the mom need some good schooling.
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Why is it that most of the stupid "a judge decided this..." stories come out of Texas? Please tell me how an 18 year old can go to jail over school absences, or even how a judge can order someone over 18 not to miss a class. This is such a blatant waste of tax dollars and a clear abuse of power. If anyone should go to jail, it should be the Judge.
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Why is it that most of the stupid "a judge decided this..." stories come out of Texas? Please tell me how an 18 year old can go to jail over school absences, or even how a judge can order someone over 18 not to miss a class. This is such a blatant waste of tax dollars and a clear abuse of power. If anyone should go to jail, it should be the Judge.
She has 18 illegal absences. You get a hefty fine for 5 (at least in my state).
Obviously if she skipped school 18 times she isn't a 'good kid'.
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I find it ironic that people criticize the new generation as stupid and then lash out against attempts to keep kids in school.
I think there's something not clicking here... the only way I could imagine this as a true injustice would be if this is her first or second offense. I.E. 'good girl' goes out with some friends not knowing what she's getting into, and then she vows never to do it again and goes back to getting A's and whatever, and then big bad mister judge comes along and puts here in jail.
She has 18 illegal absences. She must have THOUSANDS of dollars worth of fines even to this point. She obviously did NOT want to go to school, and she needed significant punishment to be put there.
I think it's totally appropriate.
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You're upset with the mother?
All she did was skip school. That isn't a jail offense.
Sure I'm upset with the Mom. If the girl skips school, she suffers the consequences. This whole crappy attitude of "oh, I'm crying for my poor daughter for having to suffer in jail" is pathetic.
If you wanna skip, fine. Just suck it up when the consequences catch up with you.
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I think they should take her out and give her 10 lashings, how that would be agressivly adressing hte problem
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All she did was skip school. That isn't a jail offense.
This country, and especially Texas has better things to worry themselves silly over in place of truancy.
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So an 18 year old girl gets jail time for skipping school?
If I was the parent you better believe I would have a say about that. As a matter of fact if she was smart she would hire herself a lawyer asap and sue the cheeit out of the whole state.
Since when is it legal to incarcerate someone without due process?
Not to mention that at 18 she would legally be an adult and not bound by truancy laws.
Unfreaking believable.
Glad I'm Canadian!
RTR
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Truancy is in fact illegal, children to have a duty to follow reasonable requests from their parents also. Do I think that they put her in jail for being truant? No way they would have had an adjudication hearing to decide whether she is tried in adult or minor court.
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Since when is it legal to incarcerate someone without due process?
A hearing/trial in front of a judge is "due process". She broke a law and was penalized. If the law needs to be changed, then change it. Otherwise, enforce it as written. Unenforced laws breed contempt for the law itself.
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Actually I think the parent (s) should be put in jail as well, and no longer have the right to breed(well... :) ). The American education system is bad enough as it is, the last thing you need is people fighting for the right for kids to skip school.
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This country, and especially Texas has better things to worry themselves silly over in place of truancy.
Yes. We don't have enough uneducated slackers as it is.
So an 18 year old girl gets jail time for skipping school?
If I was the parent you better believe I would have a say about that. As a matter of fact if she was smart she would hire herself a lawyer asap and sue the cheeit out of the whole state.
Since when is it legal to incarcerate someone without due process?
RTR
I don't know how it is in Canada, but here in the United States going before a Judge in Court is considered "Due Process"
due process: (law) the administration of justice according to established rules and principles; based on the principle that a person cannot be deprived of life or liberty or property without appropriate legal procedures and safeguards
Quote from the mother:
"I know she missed school," Miller said, "but it's like the days she did miss it's like, it's not the credits that she needs. She already has enough credits to graduate."
"I'm not saying she shouldn't have a punishment," Miller said. "She's a good child, and I just feel like it's ridiculous -- the punishment. I cried when they told me she was going to Mansfield."
I guess the mother had her chance to punish her daughter but missed the opportunity at the time and a judge had to do it for her.
It is not the State's responsibility to raise children. Mom should be in jail with her daughter. If the daughter was a bit younger or, if this had been caught earlier (I'm sure this isn't an ongoing problem ;)), the mother probably would be in jail.
It's not like the girl was dealing drugs (yet).
wrongway
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Truancy is in fact illegal, children to have a duty to follow reasonable requests from their parents also. Do I think that they put her in jail for being truant? No way they would have had an adjudication hearing to decide whether she is tried in adult or minor court.
She's 18. Not a child.
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She's 18. Not a child.
Sounds like the perfect time for her to take ownership of her actions.
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That's retarded. I go to school up in NY and you can miss only 28 days i think it is. But ive got a friend that missed over 50 last year and probably close to 50 this year. But he's still going to graduate. I go to a privet school lol we basically pay to guarantee a graduation.
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That's retarded. I go to school up in NY and you can miss only 28 days i think it is. But ive got a friend that missed over 50 last year and probably close to 50 this year. But he's still going to graduate. I go to a privet school lol we basically pay to guarantee a graduation.
There's a big difference between absences and unexcused absences. I think the absence limit in PA is somewhere around 28 as well. I have 10 so far.
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There's a big difference between absences and unexcused absences. I think the absence limit in PA is somewhere around 28 as well. I have 10 so far.
Ya same, if we dont have a note it's considered unexcused. And well he just show's up when ever.
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God, of all the stupidities I've heard, this one, certainly beats many. She skipped school, and even though she has almost a 3.00 GPA, you still put her in Jail, shes still going to graduate and go to college? Sometimes, even the wise are prone or bound to start something as stupid as putting her in Jail.
-FYB
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God, of all the stupidities I've heard, this one, certainly beats many. She skipped school, and even though she has almost a 3.00 GPA, you still put her in Jail, shes still going to graduate and go to college? Sometimes, even the wise are prone or bound to start something as stupid as putting her in Jail.
-FYB
She skipped 18 days of school. That's over half of a month. They start getting suspicious at that point even if you have excuses (I'm not allowed to have parent excuses anymore with ten days absent).
And no one said she's going to college, she's only applied.
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She skipped 18 days of school. That's over half of a month. They start getting suspicious at that point even if you have excuses (I'm not allowed to have parent excuses anymore with ten days absent).
If she was doing SOMETHING, she wouldn't of had a 2.89 GPA, even though i consider that a bit low.
-FYB
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2.89 is in the 83-4% range. Where I go to school, which really a low-scoring school (it's the crappy highschool in one of the lower scoring school districts in my area) that would put you in the bottom half, maybe even third of the class.
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She's eighteen years old. You can quit school when you're sixteen. I can't believe the number of you that are perfectly OK with a person being incarcerated for exercising their freedom of choice. Is she wasting everyone's time including her own by not taking school seriously? Hell yes. The answer is to throw her out, not throw her in jail.
I want to believe that most of you just haven't thought this through, but I'd doubt it.
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Sounds like the perfect time for her to take ownership of her actions.
So in your beautiful country an adult will be jailed if he doesn't show up in school anymore? :huh
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If she wants to quit... then quit. She was still in school and not following rules. Jail is fine for delinquents like that.
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If she wants to quit... then quit. She was still in school and not following rules. Jail is fine for delinquents like that.
:aok
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Bizarre.
But I begin to understand how the United States are having about 10 times more people in prison per capita than Germany :lol
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Land of the Free? :confused:
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(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/img/prisons2_gra203.gif)
Of the entire World's prison population of about 9 million, 2 million are in US prisons.
Now we know why. Naughty schoolgirls get sent to jail. :lol
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She is enrolled in a public school receiving a free education. A requirment of THAT enrolement is to be there. She repeatedly skipped classes, went before a judge once before and was under a court order to not have anymore unexcused absenses. She failed to comply with a lawfull court order and since she is a legal adult she recieved a penalty that is consistent with being an adult. As an adult she has the choice of either following the court order to be in class, or dropping out of school. She choose to stay in school, so she was expected to follow the rules. A weekend in jail sounds like an appropriate punishment and she will either learn that her actions have consequences, or she'll end up right back infront of that judge and spending more weekends in jail. The choice is 100% hers, as is the outcome.
What's her mother going to say when she gets a job and repeatedly skips work and gets fired? The punishment is unfair because when she is at work she does a good job? Funny but I doubt that will fly very well.
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Wow. I guess most here just don't get that whole freedom thing. She's an adult for crying out loud. She has a right to not participate in public schooling. Not that that is the issue, as she already has enough credits to graduate. So what, it is illegal to not show up for cooking class / bird watching class or any other mindless electives she was probably blowing off?
You people don't deserve your freedom, you don't know what to do with it.
Try the soylent green though! It's new and improved, and teh rumors just aren't true!
RTR
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(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/img/prisons2_gra203.gif)
Of the entire World's prison population of about 9 million, 2 million are in US prisons.
Now we know why. Naughty schoolgirls get sent to jail. :lol
We could drop you off in one of the neighborhoods overnight, where the majority of those 2 million come from, and see if you gain some perspective on our prison population.
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She's an adult for crying out loud.
You understand that she's being jailed because she defied a court order, and not simply because of the truancy? Its synonymous with a "contempt" finding.
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Regardless, public schooling isn't required. If her & her Mom weren't willing to abide by the rules, she could have been pulled out at any time. :)
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Wow. I guess most here just don't get that whole freedom thing. She's an adult for crying out loud. She has a right to not participate in public schooling. Not that that is the issue, as she already has enough credits to graduate. So what, it is illegal to not show up for cooking class / bird watching class or any other mindless electives she was probably blowing off?
You people don't deserve your freedom, you don't know what to do with it.
Try the soylent green though! It's new and improved, and teh rumors just aren't true!
RTR
Wow your so clueless! Keep in mind our prisons would have about half what they do now if we sent home all the illegal aliens in there.
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I need bikini pics of both the Mom and Daughter to make a fair decision in this case. :salute
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(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/img/prisons2_gra203.gif)
Of the entire World's prison population of about 9 million, 2 million are in US prisons.
Now we know why. Naughty schoolgirls get sent to jail. :lol
I think i saw that movie..... :D
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See Rule #6
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After spending time in prison she will be a good girl for sure.
She's not going to prison. She's going to a county jail. Those are two very different things. Continue to enjoy making fun of our country though.
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Continue to enjoy making fun of our country though.
Will try :aok
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She's not going to prison. She's going to a county jail. Those are two very different things. Continue to enjoy making fun of our country though.
I was not joking. I love the US, but there are occasions when I am dumbstruck by it. "The land of the free" can take different meanings.
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I was not joking. I love the US, but there are occasions when I am dumbstruck by it. "The land of the free" can take different meanings.
Land of the free to make your own idiotic choices & pay the consequences
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Land of the free to make your own idiotic choices & pay the consequences
I agree she must take the consequences for not abiding the courts ruling. I just think its weird to have that ruling in the first place.
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LOL !!! Im so glad that Sweden don't have stupid laws like that.
Man, I would have been in jail all the weekends :D
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/swede-2.jpg)
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/sweden
A prince or princess who marries without the consent of the government, that person forfeits the right of succession for his/her children and all other descendants.
While prostitution is legal, it is illegal to use the services of a prostitute.
You may only own half a meter down in the ground of any land you own.
It is illegal to repaint a house without a painting license and the government’s permission.
If you release pigs into a acornwood (or a beechnutwood) mutually owned by you and at least one more, and exceeded your quota of allowed pigs, you will have to pay a fine for each each pig to the other owners and to restore any damages caused by the extra pigs.
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/swede-2.jpg)
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/sweden
Couldn't find anything about jailing schoolgirls then?
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/swede-2.jpg)
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/sweden
:rofl :rofl
Great find :aok
They are of course not all true :P
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See Rule #6
Yup if your son is a delinquent he should go to another country. The girl in question skipped school and was ordered to not miss any more classes. She was in contempt of court by not following that ruling. She went to jail (not prison) for not following the court ruling.
You might try mexico or some other third world country. They usually have few rules and little law.
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Our schools get more and more like jails every year.
The more this happens, the less kids will want to be there and the less they'll learn when they are. Aside from issues of due process and the girl being an adult (and not 15), the punishment of jail does not fit skipping school. Neither does fining the parents. That's retarded. 2.89 isn't a great GPA, but it's not really too bad either.
It's really sad that the police state is creeping deeper into the schools. Maybe if the schools would spend less time preaching down at kids and more time teaching them the kids might want to go.
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Our schools get more and more like jails every year.
The more this happens, the less kids will want to be there and the less they'll learn when they are. Aside from issues of due process and the girl being an adult (and not 15), the punishment of jail does not fit skipping school. Neither does fining the parents. That's retarded. 2.89 isn't a great GPA, but it's not really too bad either.
It's really sad that the police state is creeping deeper into the schools. Maybe if the schools would spend less time preaching down at kids and more time teaching them the kids might want to go.
(sorry, a little off topic)
The teachers & administrators of each school are just as strapped into the situation as the students and parents are regarding having to crank the kids through like factory assembly parts. The higher levels of school administration are the only ones who can change that climate by decreasing classroom size to about half of what it is now. Unfortunately, they'll never do that, because it would mean spending more money on additional schools and doubling the size of their teacher workforce. I believe each school is given a set dollar amount for each warm body. I'm sure no tax paying community would agree to such a huge increase to cover the additional cost that would follow.
Nevermind that the kids are crammed in there like sardines. Nevermind that the only functional way to maintain order is by instituting zero tolerance policies. I feel badly for the teachers who have to operate in that kind of environment, for the children who are measured by only perfection or failure, and for the parents who aren't in a position to get their kids the heck out of the entire system.
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LOL !!! Im so glad that Sweden don't have stupid laws like that.
Man, I would have been in jail all the weekends :D
Lol yeah.. dumbest law ive ever heard of :lol :rofl
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See Rule #14
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I go to a privet school lol we basically pay to guarantee a graduation.
Glad to see your folks forking out some dough for that grand education. I guess they are just guaranteeing a graduation and not an education.
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See Rule #14
They are a little bit better where you're at than they are here in Killeen (all of our family is there). I think by the time we end up moving there (eventually) our boys will all be in High School or out at college. Out here not all of our kids are in public school ~ but if they're still in school when we move to your town I wouldn't mind having them in the public school there in town.
Many of the other outlying areas aren't as good as yours is though. :)
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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I almost laugh out loud when I read some of these posts, and I mean that very literally.
After all the posts about how bad our education system is, from folks who do not live here, I must question the effectiveness of theirs, as well.
Especially the literacy part.
If you could, or perhaps would, bother to read all of the posts completely before coming to a conclusion, you may conclude that this girl was not jailed for truancy. In fact, she was jailed for non-compliance to a court order, which in any state in the US, is considered a crime. She had the choice to stay in school, or withdraw. She chose to stay. The stipulation was that if she chose to stay, she was required to abide by a court order. She chose to disobey the court order. She was jailed for her non-compliance. There is absolutely nothing "police state" or "socialist" about that. In fact, it is very black and white.
On a lighter note, I can hardly consider a weekend in the tank "prison" or "jail"
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See Rule #14
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Couldn't find anything about jailing schoolgirls then?
:lol No!
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schoolgirls in jail, i had higher expectations for this post.
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Heres the point, stupidity reaches even the smartest and wisest.
1.5mil schoogirls in jail
0.5mil bad guys in jail
Problem solved.
-FYB
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This seems completely ridiculous. But it's not my state, and not my problem.
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(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/img/prisons2_gra203.gif)
Of the entire World's prison population of about 9 million, 2 million are in US prisons.
Now we know why. Naughty schoolgirls get sent to jail. :lol
Question. Where would you feel safer walking the streets.
The USA? or Nigeria?
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I almost laugh out loud when I read some of these posts, and I mean that very literally.
After all the posts about how bad our education system is, from folks who do not live here, I must question the effectiveness of theirs, as well.
Especially the literacy part.
If you could, or perhaps would, bother to read all of the posts completely before coming to a conclusion, you may conclude that this girl was not jailed for truancy. In fact, she was jailed for non-compliance to a court order, which in any state in the US, is considered a crime. She had the choice to stay in school, or withdraw. She chose to stay. The stipulation was that if she chose to stay, she was required to abide by a court order. She chose to disobey the court order. She was jailed for her non-compliance. There is absolutely nothing "police state" or "socialist" about that. In fact, it is very black and white.
On a lighter note, I can hardly consider a weekend in the tank "prison" or "jail"
Thats the First logical explanation of this issue I've seen yet.
and maybe the only intelligent argument made in this thread that is pro jail for this girl.
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Thats the First logical explanation of this issue I've seen yet.
and maybe the only intelligent argument made in this thread that is pro jail for this girl.
It was the only Intelligent argument in the the tread period.
Hello people its called Spell Check. Little button on the bottom of your screen.
Even a Astrophysicist should be able to click it.
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After all the posts about how bad our education system is, from folks who do not live here, I must question the effectiveness of theirs, as well.
Especially the literacy part.
If you could, or perhaps would, bother to read all of the posts completely before coming to a conclusion, you may conclude that this girl was not jailed for truancy. In fact, she was jailed for non-compliance to a court order, which in any state in the US, is considered a crime.
No, I think it is you that missed the point. What some people here find ridiculous is that the court was involved in this in the first place. What does skipping school has to do with the law authorities? In most countries, this is a matter between the school and the parents. In very extreme cases and when the kid is a minor, the parents may be in trouble for not complying with education laws - not the child.
It does happen from time to time that a stupid law is passed (usually by a stupid politician, for an even stupider reason). In such cases, the police and mostly judges apply some common sense and either do not enforce it, or dismiss it with a minimal procedure to save the system's time money and effort for the real criminals. This is why you employ human judges and police officers instead of Judge
Dread and Robocop.
What you had here is a problematic law, for a minor issue, that was needlessly brought before a judge, that made a ruling that was destined to be broken, that ended with a girl spending time in whatever detaining facility you want to call this. She was not taken care of - she was "processed" by the system. Some things simply should not get to court at all - skipping school is one.
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What you had here is a problematic law, for a minor issue, that was needlessly brought before a judge, that made a ruling that was destined to be broken, that ended with a girl spending time in whatever detaining facility you want to call this. She was not taken care of - she was "processed" by the system. Some things simply should not get to court at all - skipping school is one.
How is it you feel confident that you have all the facts in this case? Especially since the U.S. media has such a good record of accurately and dispassionately reporting these types of stories. Again, while technically she was jailed for truancy, in reality, she was really jailed for defying a court order. Those same types of court orders are the ones that enforce restraining orders, gag orders, alimony and child support payments, etc. If the judge did not find her in violation and punish her, he would be in jeopardy of discrediting himself and his peers as judicial authorities. Its really that simple, without some sort of societal watershed to frame an argument in.
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Kids that skip school, turn into drug addicts..... Somebody tell that silly woman that!!!