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Title: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on April 30, 2009, 02:14:07 AM: Work in progress
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8161/jg27.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jg27.jpg)
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazaa on April 30, 2009, 07:52:42 AM: Very nice. :aok
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Tec on April 30, 2009, 10:42:57 AM: Agreed. I really like your work Kazan this will be my new skin replacing your Sq. 1 skin when it makes it in game.

I will ask you the same thing I asked Billy the other night. Is this the one that there are photos of that crash landed outside of Prague?
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: hammer on April 30, 2009, 10:58:51 AM: Just a feeling I have, but I feel your colors are a bit too vivid. Both of the skins below are the same green / brown scheme as yours, but are much more muted. This is, of course, a personal opinion but these seem to match more with the few color images I've seen.

Regards,

Hammer

(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109k4/skin14.jpg)

and

(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109k4/skin8.jpg)
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: moot on April 30, 2009, 11:33:40 AM: It looks like the OP WIP screenshot was altered. Or the materials file and sky colors are off.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: hammer on April 30, 2009, 11:46:41 AM: Quote from: moot on April 30, 2009, 11:33:40 AM
It looks like the OP WIP screenshot was altered. Or the materials file and sky colors are off.
The sky does look a little off, but I've had the same feeling about the other 2 K4s he has in game.

Regards,

Hammer

(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109k4/skin12.jpg)

(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109k4/skin13.jpg)
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Krusty on April 30, 2009, 03:55:39 PM: I agree... There are some serious color issues on some skins. I think the work in progress shot is horribly off-kilter.

Are you using a custom color settings on your monitor? Perhaps you're using an older analog (CRT) monitor that you've had to adjust the settings on?

Something's off. The green tailband is almost neon, and the contrast is screwed through the roof (brown way too red, green so stark that you can CLEARLY see all the different pixels used to dither the green).
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Motherland on April 30, 2009, 03:57:34 PM: I think the problem is a Raven-esque material file.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on April 30, 2009, 03:59:51 PM: First picture was edited in Photoshop. I had same feeling about colours, Hammer.
Here is orginal picture.

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2504/ahss173.jpg) (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss173.jpg)
btw how I update my old skins?
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Motherland on April 30, 2009, 04:02:44 PM: Quote from: Kazan_HB on April 30, 2009, 03:59:51 PM
First picture was edited in Photoshop. I had same feeling about colours, Hammer.
Here is orginal picture.

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2504/ahss173.jpg) (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss173.jpg)
btw how I update my old skins?
You have to find the old skin reference number and put in the info text file and re-email it to HTC.
Certainly looks better like that btw, Kazan :aok
Though the noise effect you have over the skin is a bit weird looking.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Krusty on April 30, 2009, 04:03:50 PM: You resubmit them under the skin ID# you were given for them.

However, I think that while the new screenshot is a little bit better, that the contrast is still pretty high. I mean on the skin bitmap itself, not the sea, sky, and etc.

It's a little harsh on the eyes.

Can you post a screenshot without your disruption layer? I wonder if it's the individual colors or the speckles on top being too visible? (just guessing, not sure)
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: StokesAk on April 30, 2009, 09:56:59 PM: That looks sweet Kazan i know when i get back that will be the first skin i take up into the air.

:salute
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Plazus on May 02, 2009, 10:51:22 AM: Very nice skin, Kazan! I will be looking forward to flying that skin if and when it is accepted by HTC. :salute
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: BillyD on May 02, 2009, 01:56:17 PM: WOW its coming to life! so cool I was talking about this the other night...I still have a bunch of pics for Tec......

Thank you kazan !
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Serenity on May 02, 2009, 08:55:19 PM: That blue looks entirely the wrong shade to me... but that's just me.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Xasthur on May 04, 2009, 10:26:41 PM: Bugger.... I was going to do this one when I got the time. :lol

Kazan, I've spent a fair bit of time looking this bird up as I'm building a model of it (and wanted to skin it here). Seeing as you've beaten me to it...

Beware of some things you have missed:

- First, your colours are very strange. My colours in this combination are a little bit dark in-game (as posted by Hammer).... but they're close.
- The fuselage colour should be duck-egg, not RLM76 (Light blue). The underside of the wings, however, should be RLM 76. The wings and fuselage were mis-matched.
- There should be a section of over-painting in grey between the left fuselage balkenkruez and the RVD band
- Note the yellow cowling band
- Note the colour of the rudder
- The 'wave' of your fuselage colour is not the correct shape.

See this photo:
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/Bf109K-4_Blue7_12JG272.jpg)

and this profile:
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/Bf109K-4_27Blue20727_10_JG2027a.jpg)

I think this profile is the best out of all of the ones I've seen. The only thing I disagree with is the 'wavey' pattern of the left-upper wing camoflague. Otherwise, I think it is a very good representation and is definitely not a bad thing to work from.

Good luck, mate.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on May 06, 2009, 03:02:32 PM: Thank you Xasthur! It is best profile :aok
I use this colors chart ( CMYK)
http://www.chandelle-jah.com/camocolors.html

update:
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/149/ahss175.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss175.jpg)
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Krusty on May 06, 2009, 05:51:02 PM: Kazan, I looked at your color website, and something's wrong. I look at the RLM 81 and RLM 82 listed in the chart and they are VERY dark. Too dark if you ask me. Then somehow on the finished skin screenshot they're almost blown out with radiant light.

Either something's off in your video monitor setup or you have something else wrong with your color profile on that PC.

I used to use about 3-4 different websites and take a sampling of different colors and make the best decision on that, but most of the time I kept using the sample supplied by:

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts.asp
(german colors here: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_germany.htm )

So I make it my first stop for all things color related. The color samples all come directly from the federal standards used on paints still today. Here's a sample of RLM80 and RLM81 next to each other:

http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=30045+34096
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Xasthur on May 07, 2009, 07:49:46 AM: Das ist sehr gut, Kazan.

3 things:

- Supercharger intake. I don't think it looks like it's a different colour... but that's just my opinion. It looks to me as though it is the same colour as the surrounding cowling.
- Upper horrizontal stabliser colours. It's a bit odd to see it all one colour.
- The blending between your fuselage colour and upper surface colours is very sharp. Having it so sharp makes the colours jump out a bit.

Other than that, it's looking very good.

Perhaps take a look at your canopy frames... It looks like the forward section is grey and the rear is brown. It's a bit hard to tell there, so it's just a judgement call on that one.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on May 07, 2009, 08:19:34 AM: Thank you Archaius.
I need one day to finish ( this is WIP).
Any opinion about colors? All are wrong?
Look like your profile...
@Krusty
I have few colors chart.
Discussion about " which color used Luftwaffe?" had long tradition.
And thanks for your help. :)
edit: i have 17" TFT monitor BENQ
I sorry too my bad English...
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: hammer on May 07, 2009, 09:31:35 AM: These are only personal opinions - Green looks a little bright to me, but I could live with it. The brown looks too light and too pink.

Regards,

Hammer
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: 1pLUs44 on May 07, 2009, 04:57:00 PM: I think I found what may have been bothering people, I put the image on Gimp, and fooled around with the "smudge" tool. If you look at the profile, then the first picture Kazan has, it shows little black lines on the plane's skin where the waves start on the fuselage.

Here's Kazans:
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/149/ahss175.jpg)

Here's the one I edited: You think that may have been what was bugging you? (only thing that really even bugged me)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh71/1pLUs44/ahss175edited.jpg)
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Krusty on May 07, 2009, 05:01:05 PM: I don't think that's the issue with me.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: 1pLUs44 on May 07, 2009, 05:53:17 PM: Quote from: Krusty on May 07, 2009, 05:01:05 PM
I don't think that's the issue with me.

That was the only thing that really bugged me, and I'm sure that's nothing to fix for any skinner.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: AWwrgwy on May 07, 2009, 07:34:38 PM: It may just be the screen shot but I see alot of "noise" in the colors. And, as Krusty said, they seem a bit bright, almost neon-ish.

Also, as Xasthur mentioned, it looks like you missed painting the supercharger intake on the left side of the engine in front of the wing.

wrongway
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Xasthur on May 07, 2009, 10:48:00 PM: It might be the texture file he's using.

Would you mind posting your texture file values for us, Kazan?

As someone said before, the colours are a bit NrRaven-ish...

I made the mistake of replacing one of his skins and not including a new texture file..... and now my skin looks crazy too.

I'll have to email HTC and replace it.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on May 10, 2009, 04:29:54 AM: ok last update. I hope is ok now...
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6337/ahss176.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss176.jpg)

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5504/ahss177.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss177.jpg)

THX all for help!
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: lyric1 on May 10, 2009, 04:56:58 AM: Looks good only issue I see is the triangle stencil is not matched up to the photo on the blue 7.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Fencer51 on May 10, 2009, 12:16:39 PM: Nor is the shadowy line infront of the port "7" shown as in the pic and profile. Also looks like the nose spiral is the wrong size based upon the profile, but not sure I see one on the pictures.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Xasthur on May 10, 2009, 11:26:23 PM: I'm sorry to be a pain.... but I think your colours are too dark now.

I think they need to be closer to the colours you had just before this one.

A bit darker than those but not as dark as your latest.

Also, as stated by Lyric and Fencer, check your detail in the port 7 area.

That overpainted number is missing and the fuel type stencil should overlap the 7
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Serenity on May 11, 2009, 12:24:35 AM: Quote from: Kazan_HB on May 10, 2009, 04:29:54 AM
ok last update. I hope is ok now...
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6337/ahss176.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss176.jpg)

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5504/ahss177.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss177.jpg)

THX all for help!

Holy ****!!! Talk about epic improvement! I think the colors are just a tad on the dark side, but definitely MUCH better than the original!
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on May 11, 2009, 02:03:16 AM: Too dark? :uhoh :cry
Colors from http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/page-RGB-colors-Germany.html
Gamma 1.4
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8020/ahss180.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss180.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/ahss180.jpg/1/w1072.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img23/ahss180.jpg/1/)

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5830/ahss181.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss181.jpg)
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/ahss181.jpg/1/w1051.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img25/ahss181.jpg/1/)
no more Bf109......
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Serenity on May 11, 2009, 02:49:23 AM: Quote from: Kazan_HB on May 11, 2009, 02:03:16 AM
Too dark? :uhoh :cry
Colors from http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/page-RGB-colors-Germany.html
Gamma 1.4
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8020/ahss180.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss180.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/ahss180.jpg/1/w1072.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img23/ahss180.jpg/1/)

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5830/ahss181.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ahss181.jpg)
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/ahss181.jpg/1/w1051.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img25/ahss181.jpg/1/)
no more Bf109......

Now that, to me anyway, looks picture-perfect!
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Fencer51 on May 11, 2009, 05:34:49 AM: NVM
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: lyric1 on May 11, 2009, 06:58:22 AM: I think that looks very damn close to how it should be. Then again what do I know I can't skin. :(
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: hammer on May 11, 2009, 08:18:49 AM: I think the last set of pics looks pretty good. What do they look at with 1.0 gamma?
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Xasthur on May 11, 2009, 09:25:14 AM: That's looking pretty good.

The only other thing that I could nit-pick is how much noise you have in your colours.

It makes the paintwork look like it has sand all through it.... It's looks like such a rough texture.
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Krusty on May 13, 2009, 01:44:09 AM: I agree with xas. Looks MUCH better color-wise. Darned near perfect compared to the other 2 examples.

I also agree on the noise pattern, but that's not unique to your skins :aok

IMO a disruption layer is hard to get right, and comes with a lot of practice. It took me a while to figure out what "subtle" was for me.

I'm liking the skin!
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Xasthur on May 13, 2009, 04:27:17 AM: I am disappointed that I won't get to do this skin....

But it is good to see a German doing it instead. :salute
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on May 13, 2009, 05:38:58 AM: Thanks for the help Guys :salute.
I will reduce the a bit textures of the noise.

I am the Pole. :)
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Xasthur on May 13, 2009, 07:49:32 AM: Hahah. Du bist Pole oder du bist der Pole?

:lol :aok

Ich bin Deutsch lernen und mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut. :aok
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: Kazan_HB on May 13, 2009, 04:58:05 PM: Correct is:
Bist du Pole? :)

Ja ich bin Pole.
Mein Deutsch is auch nicht so gut.

Gruß Kazan
Title: Re: bf-109 k-4 Jg27 blue 7
Post by: dhyran on May 14, 2009, 01:17:28 AM: Quote from: Kazan_HB on May 13, 2009, 04:58:05 PM
Correct is:
Bist du Pole? :)

Ja ich bin Pole.
Mein Deutsch is auch nicht so gut.

Gruß Kazan

hey Kazan my Friend!

Aber Dein Deutsch ist sehr gut geworden, denk mal zwei Jahre zurück als wir uns in Hannover im Museum getroffen hatten!
Außerdem bist Du ein Bremer :)

BTW, great skinning work again! WTG!!!! :aok

:salute