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Title: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TheZohan on May 03, 2009, 11:14:35 AM
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2345970,00.asp
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: AirFlyer on May 03, 2009, 11:27:17 AM
Using it already myself, so far so good. Unlike the other beta I could actually manage a dual-boot with this one without it just destroying my XP partions. Installed in about 15ish minutes for me I believe, I didn't time it that's just what it felt like. Basically like everyones been saying it's just what Vista should of been at its release but I'm happy with it and I'll prolly finally make the jump from XP with it.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Motherland on May 03, 2009, 08:23:31 PM
Looks like I made the right decision, keeping XP through Vista.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Getback on May 03, 2009, 08:42:30 PM
I'm going to way for some hard core builders imput.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: BaldEagl on May 04, 2009, 01:44:04 AM
Quote from: Getback on May 03, 2009, 08:42:30 PM
I'm going to way for some hard core builders imput.

Squeeker coming out in you?   :D
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: llama on May 04, 2009, 10:31:25 AM
I extensively reviewed the Beta of Windows 7 for CPU Magazine.

Here's my executive summary:

I quad-boot my desktop computer. One of the OSes is a very clean installation of XP that I use solely for gaming. One of the others is XP with all the various bells and whistles needed for my hardware, my network, my work, and so forth. One of the others is Vista, which I mostly use for testing and troubleshooting. I would certainly reformat the Vista partition and put W7 on it. I would never touch the XPGaming partition and put W7 on it. If there was some program I needed to do my job that only came on W7, I would consider replacing my "work XP" install with it.

My main notebook came with Vista, which I promptly erased and replaced with XP. If my next notebook came with W7 pre-installed, I'm not sure I would bother replacing it with XP.

In general, I really couldn't find any advantage to using Vista over XP for most users. With W7 there are some tangible benefits over XP (and certainly Vista) that make it more equal.

-Llama
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Getback on May 04, 2009, 11:57:51 AM
Quote from: BaldEagl on May 04, 2009, 01:44:04 AM
Squeeker coming out in you?   :D

 :rofl :rofl :rofl Oops! :eek:
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: humble on May 05, 2009, 01:35:07 PM
Just downloaded it to an older box I was going to put linux mint on....very little exposure but so far I'm impressed with what I see. Going to add it to my gaming rig as a 4th OS and see what its like...
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TequilaChaser on May 05, 2009, 01:35:57 PM
well, Windows 7 RC is now available to the public for beta testing if anyone cares........

go here to register or login  and download: ( both 32 bit & 64 bit is available )

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx?ITPID=mscomsc

I am setting mine up on a seperate HD and using the 64 bit version..........( thought about partitioning, then decided to go stand alone just incase something goes a foul )

I am interested in checking out the using WinXP Virtual PC gadget thingy.......

Llama's post is what intrigued me.........
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Getback on May 05, 2009, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: llama on May 04, 2009, 10:31:25 AM
I extensively reviewed the Beta of Windows 7 for CPU Magazine.

Here's my executive summary:

I quad-boot my desktop computer. One of the OSes is a very clean installation of XP that I use solely for gaming. One of the others is XP with all the various bells and whistles needed for my hardware, my network, my work, and so forth. One of the others is Vista, which I mostly use for testing and troubleshooting. I would certainly reformat the Vista partition and put W7 on it. I would never touch the XPGaming partition and put W7 on it. If there was some program I needed to do my job that only came on W7, I would consider replacing my "work XP" install with it.

My main notebook came with Vista, which I promptly erased and replaced with XP. If my next notebook came with W7 pre-installed, I'm not sure I would bother replacing it with XP.

In general, I really couldn't find any advantage to using Vista over XP for most users. With W7 there are some tangible benefits over XP (and certainly Vista) that make it more equal.

-Llama

Good info LLama, well communicated.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 05, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
Just upgrading my kids W7 beta to W7 RC. The beta worked fine on some applications and totally failed on some. I'm anxious to see if the RC will be more compatible.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TheZohan on May 05, 2009, 04:37:27 PM
i am curious on how the XPM will do more then anything..
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Gatr on May 05, 2009, 07:06:54 PM
RC
I loaded it on my office box today....
Much faster load time and hardware compatibility...  It's an old nforce 2 Asus MB...
So far much better IMHO...
Gatr
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Motherland on May 05, 2009, 07:39:05 PM
Can you download if you weren't in on the beta?
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TequilaChaser on May 05, 2009, 07:46:31 PM
Quote from: Motherland on May 05, 2009, 07:39:05 PM
Can you download if you weren't in on the beta?

yes just click the link i posted ....if you need to se t up a profile.it'l walk you thru it

it is now open to the entire public  both 32 bit (x86)  & 64 bit
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: CHECKERS on May 05, 2009, 08:25:47 PM
Installed Win 7 RC ( 32 Bit)this morning .
 soundblaster card drivers were a pain , finally,  I just ran Vista drivers in compatibility, sound card works fine .

  Firefox works better than IE8 on some websites.

   Regards
 CHECKERS
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Reschke on May 06, 2009, 02:50:35 PM
I did the beta in a virtual PC and a real PC installation and it was good in both instances. I am going to install the RC version tonight on my main home system on a second hard drive and run it that way. Based on my previous feelings of W7 I would consider moving EVERYTHING over to W7 and eliminating Vista from any PC in the house. Although I do really like the way Vista handles the Parental Controls and I am glad to see W7 using the same setup for that as well.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: expat on May 08, 2009, 09:54:24 AM
Loaded it this afternoon , no problems during the install , will be putting AH on later this evening though i don't forsee any problems with that .
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Motherland on May 08, 2009, 03:58:18 PM
Is there a disc partitioning utility in XP? I want to try this out!
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TheZohan on May 08, 2009, 04:52:08 PM
you can resize it with other programs
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Motherland on May 08, 2009, 11:29:32 PM
All set, except for everytime I get to 29% while burning the .iso I get an error. Any idea what my problem may be?
Maybe I need a DVD instead of a CD?
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TequilaChaser on May 08, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: Motherland on May 08, 2009, 11:29:32 PM
All set, except for everytime I get to 29% while burning the .iso I get an error. Any idea what my problem may be?
Maybe I need a DVD instead of a CD?


most certianly do........ the Windows 7 CR 32bit ISO is somewhere around 2.35 gigs

while Windows 7 RC 64 bit ISO is around 3.04 gigs
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: humble on May 09, 2009, 08:47:29 AM
I've stuck with the 32 bit version, is there a benifit to going to 64 bit OS?

6600 CPU
8800GTS
ASUS P5K-e
4G PC8600 memory
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Denholm on May 09, 2009, 08:51:46 AM
The 64-bit version can make use of more memory. How much I can't recall, but the 4GB limit will be expanded. I'm sure there are some other benefits, but drivers on a 64-bit version can become a real pain.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: humble on May 09, 2009, 12:52:53 PM
thanks, BTW Nvidia alrady has certified drivers out for W7....seem to work very well :aok
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TheZohan on May 09, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: Denholm on May 09, 2009, 08:51:46 AM
The 64-bit version can make use of more memory. How much I can't recall, but the 4GB limit will be expanded. I'm sure there are some other benefits, but drivers on a 64-bit version can become a real pain.

64 bit OSes can address up to like 16TB's of memory  but its the motherboard that is the limiting factor on how much you can use.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Krusty on May 09, 2009, 10:56:28 PM
It's not as simple as that... Because it's 64bit, it also USES more memory for each app that in 32-bit would use less.

As far as actually recognizing that more memory is there, does it still limit itself to 2GB max for any single program like XP does? I thought somebody mentioned that in regards to 64-bit, but I can't be sure.

See you're running a 32-bit app on a 64-bit system. May seem like you get more ram, but you're not seeing any benefit from it.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 10, 2009, 02:02:31 AM
Quote from: Krusty on May 09, 2009, 10:56:28 PM
It's not as simple as that... Because it's 64bit, it also USES more memory for each app that in 32-bit would use less.

As far as actually recognizing that more memory is there, does it still limit itself to 2GB max for any single program like XP does? I thought somebody mentioned that in regards to 64-bit, but I can't be sure.

See you're running a 32-bit app on a 64-bit system. May seem like you get more ram, but you're not seeing any benefit from it.

Yes 32-bit applications are still limited by 32-bit address space per process unless they're specially coded to take advantage of larger memory. Generally speaking no 32-bit app is - especially games. The good news is that since the developer of the said 32-bit application coded it for that interface, it cannot require more than what's available by definition. So untill we start to get natively 64-bit games it's pointless to fight with 64-bit incompatabilities and/or worry about memory limits. Some users with 2-3 1gig displaycards may have a self induced problem but that's what it is, self induced problem. 2-3x512Mb cards would do the trick without memory trouble.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: save on May 10, 2009, 05:05:01 AM
The benefit you get is higher stability, if your applications can run on the  64-bit OS . This is due to the 64-bit architecture of windows7 / xp-64.

Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Ruah on May 10, 2009, 05:21:11 AM
well, I just ordered a laptop and it comes with vista 64. . .so I guess I am gonna have to drop some more cash and get win7 when that system has been out for awhile.  I run XP on my desktop though. . .and I have never had problems with that.  I am deeply concerned about Vista 64 though. . .but I had no choise.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Skuzzy on May 10, 2009, 06:06:40 AM
Quote from: TheZohan on May 09, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
64 bit OSes can address up to like 16TB's of memory  but its the motherboard that is the limiting factor on how much you can use.

Actually, it is what version of WIndows as well.  Microsoft has arbitrary limits placed in all its operating systems.  And no matter how much RAM your computer has, or what operating system you use, Microsoft will not allow any 32 bit application to use more than 2GB of RAM.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Skuzzy on May 10, 2009, 07:18:59 AM
The following table shows what physical and virtual limits several of the recent Microsoft operating systems support.  There are a couple of variables I did not include as they are not standard and require manual patches to be done to the operating system.  There are also some versions of the operation system I did not include as they are very specific to various tasks and, generally, are only available for servers.

In all 64 bit operating systems, each 32 bit application is restricted to 2GB of physical and/or virtual RAM.  The only exception to this rule is when the application has been compiled with the /LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag in the Microsoft compiler, which then allows the 32 bit application full access to 4 GB of RAM.
   
Operating system versionEditionVirtual memoryMaximum physical memory
Windows Vista (64 bit)Home Basic1 TB8 GB
Home Premium1 TB16 GB
Business1 TB128 GB
Enterprise1 TB128 GB
Ultimate1 TB128 GB



            

            

            

            
Windows Vista  (32 bit)Starter4 GB1 GB
Home Basic4 GB4 GB
Home Premium4 GB4 GB
Business4 GB4 GB
Enterprise4 GB4 GB
Ultimate4 GB4 GB



            

            

            

            
Microsoft Windows Server™ 2003 SP 1Standard 4 GB4 GB
Web4 GB2 GB
Enterprise4 GB64 GB, if hardware supports Physical Address Extension (PAE), otherwise 4 GB
Enterprise (64-bit)16 TB1 TB
Datacenter4 GB128 GB, if hardware supports PAE, otherwise 4 GB
Datacenter (64-bit)16 terabytes1 terabyte



            

            

            

            
Windows Server 2003Standard4 GB4 GB
Web4 GB2 GB
Enterprise4 GB
Enterprise (64-bit)16 TB64 GB
Datacenter4 GB128 GB, if hardware supports PAE, otherwise 4 GB
Datacenter (64-bit)16 TB512 GB



            

            

            

            
Windows XPHome4 GB4 GB
Professional4 GB4 GB
64 bit Version 200316 TB128GB



            

            

            

            
Windows 2000Professional4 GB4 GB
Server4 GB4 GB
Advanced Server4 GB8 GB
Datacenter Server4 GB32 GB, if hardware supports Physical Address Extension (PAE), otherwise 4 GB
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TheZohan on May 10, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
i need to upgrade to XP 64 bit version ..
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 10, 2009, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: TheZohan on May 10, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
i need to upgrade to XP 64 bit version ..

Then you need to look carefully that you have supported hardware. XP64 is essentially Server 2003 and not widely used so you may find it hard to find working drivers for some hardware.

32-bit XP is still the most reliable choice.
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TheZohan on May 10, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
lol i was being silly .. i have no reason to upgrade i am gonna stick with XP-32 i do have copies of just about everything listed laying around though.. i made the comment about XP-64 and Server 2003 being the same in a earlier post somewhere in the bbs
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Skuzzy on May 12, 2009, 10:51:55 AM
You folks who are using the 32 bit version of Windows 7 need to read this (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/970789).
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: doleboy on May 12, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
For those looking to buy a new pc, it may be worth holding on until after the 1st of July. Looks like Microsoft will release Windows 7 as a free upgrade!

Quote from: Windows7News.com

Will Microsoft provide upgrade opportunities?

Microsoft will provide upgrade opportunities both for Windows XP and Windows Vista users. Free upgrades are provided for users who purchase a computer system with Windows Vista after July 1, 2009. Not all versions are however eligible for the upgrade. Upgrades are only available for systems of the same language and the only allowed upgrade paths are

Windows Vista Home Premium -> Windows 7 Home Premium
Windows Vista Business -> Windows 7 Professional
Windows Vista Ultimate -> Windows 7 Ultimate

There will be no free upgrade for all other versions of Windows Vista that are purchased after July 1.

http://windows7news.com/2009/04/28/windows-7-everything-you-need-to-know/



Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Reschke on May 14, 2009, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: Skuzzy on May 12, 2009, 10:51:55 AM
You folks who are using the 32 bit version of Windows 7 need to read this (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/970789).

Thanks for the heads up Skuzzy!
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Getback on May 27, 2009, 07:45:46 PM
Any updates on Windows 7 release?
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: humble on May 27, 2009, 08:44:49 PM
no runs drips or errors on 5 machines....
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: TequilaChaser on May 28, 2009, 06:37:00 AM
Quote from: Getback on May 27, 2009, 07:45:46 PM
Any updates on Windows 7 release?

they have released 2 more builds since the 7100 RC build..........( the 2nd build is not open to public beta just yet, is only reportedly leaked  )

builds 7127 & 7137

http://www.readmenow.net/
Title: Re: windows 7 build 7100
Post by: Ghosth on May 28, 2009, 07:11:54 AM
Just downloaded, havn't installed yet. But everything I am reading says its better than vista.