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Title: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Spikes on May 05, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
From what I've read, the answer is no, but did any of the C-3's see operational status? It'd be heaven for me with 2 20mm cannons in the front of that bird, since I have to rely on the rear firing ones.  :furious
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: StokesAk on May 05, 2009, 05:56:23 PM
O wow how would we ever get you out of that thing. You would be tearing everyone up.


+1 :aok
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: chris3 on May 05, 2009, 06:13:04 PM
From what I've read, the answer is no, but did any of the C-3's see operational status? It'd be heaven for me with 2 20mm cannons in the front of that bird, since I have to rely on the rear firing ones.  :furious

Some of the c3s were used at the KG 76. some of them saw combat at the battel of the bulg (ardennen).
but i think you mean the B2-N wit the 20mm cannons at the kommando Bonow, it was a nightfighter testing unit.

cu chris3
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Spikes on May 05, 2009, 06:20:06 PM
O wow how would we ever get you out of that thing. You would be tearing everyone up.


+1 :aok
LOL yeah I was getting quite a following in Fighter Town friday night.

Some of the c3s were used at the KG 76. some of them saw combat at the battel of the bulg (ardennen).
but i think you mean the B2-N wit the 20mm cannons at the kommando Bonow, it was a nightfighter testing unit.

cu chris3
Hey Chris,
I only see the C-3N which is the nightfighter with 2x 20mms and 2x 30mms. That's a bit much to ask and I doubt that'd ever see service just judging on it's name, plus since it was a nightfighter it wouldn't be in the same anyway. Even the 2 20mms are enough for me, seeing as I can avg ~5 kills per sortie with the tail 20mms. Since the C3 was used with KG 76 in combat, would it be feasible in-game?
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Lusche on May 05, 2009, 06:22:48 PM
Some of the c3s were used at the KG 76. some of them saw combat at the battel of the bulg (ardennen).


Not really.
The first Arado 234 C-3 did fly on November, 27th 1944, merely 2 weeks before the Battle of the Bulge.
Serial production started in February 1945 (in Alt-Lönnewitz). 19 were built, from which 3 were delivered to KG 76, well after the battle was over. No combat sorties were flown, only test and training flights.

Arados 234 from KG 76 did fly sorties in the Battle of the Bulge, but by B-2's only.
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Spikes on May 05, 2009, 06:30:58 PM

Not really.
The first Arado 234 C-3 did fly on November, 27th 1944, merely 2 weeks before the Battle of the Bulge.
Serial production started in February 1945 (in Alt-Lönnewitz). 19 were built, from which 3 were delivered to KG 76, well after the battle was over. No combat sorties were flown, only test and training flights.

Arados 234 from KG 76 did fly sorties in the Battle of the Bulge, but by B-2's only.
:(
Now my hopes are ruined.

There's no way this could get in-game then, since it never saw combat? Not even one sortie?  :cry
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Lusche on May 05, 2009, 06:33:20 PM
:(
Now my hopes are ruined.

There's no way this could get in-game then, since it never saw combat? Not even one sortie?  :cry

One sortie wouldn't be enough to include a plane anyway ;)
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: chris3 on May 05, 2009, 06:35:46 PM
LOL yeah I was getting quite a following in Fighter Town friday night.
Hey Chris,
I only see the C-3N which is the nightfighter with 2x 20mms and 2x 30mms. That's a bit much to ask and I doubt that'd ever see service just judging on it's name, plus since it was a nightfighter it wouldn't be in the same anyway. Even the 2 20mms are enough for me, seeing as I can avg ~5 kills per sortie with the tail 20mms. Since the C3 was used with KG 76 in combat, would it be feasible in-game?

moin

the luftwaffenarchiv names it B2-N....mybe the c3-N was a later test version. As lusche said it cames out very late but i gues a nightfighter variante was planet too.

@Lusche you must have alot nice bocks  :aok
but i find a skin of a c3 wich belong to the KG 76. its interestenig that you were able to find a tarnsheme from a group of only 3 airplanes. that made me think it saw duty.

cu chris3
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Spikes on May 05, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
One sortie wouldn't be enough to include a plane anyway ;)
Wah. I want my front 20mms. :(
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Lusche on May 05, 2009, 06:47:14 PM
@Lusche you must have alot nice bocks  :aok
but i find a skin of a c3 wich belong to the KG 76. its interestenig that you were able to find a tarnsheme from a group of only 3 airplanes. that made me think it saw duty.

cu chris3

All planes delivered to regular units were painted that way, as there was no place in Germany save from Allied fighters at that time. That doesn't necessarily mean they were used in combat.
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: frank3 on May 08, 2009, 05:24:24 AM
Wah. I want my front 20mms. :(

You could always try the Me-262. Faster, more/larger guns, more manoeuvrable, better cockpit-view and alot sexier :aok

Although you'll have to do without RATO's and bombs!
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: MiloMorai on May 08, 2009, 08:10:29 AM
The 1st production Ar234C, WNr 250001, flew Jan 30 1945.

Lusche's Ar234 was the V21, WNr 130061.


This is a good book on the Ar 234.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ee/6a/695d225b9da04b7561be0110.L._AA240_.jpg)
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Spikes on June 08, 2009, 04:19:11 PM
You could always try the Me-262. Faster, more/larger guns, more manoeuvrable, better cockpit-view and alot sexier :aok

Although you'll have to do without RATO's and bombs!
Sorry to bump.

Frank...you won't understand really...it's too fun owning people with a jet bomber. :)

I'm trying my luck here again...
My book "Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft" says:
"The bomber version of the Ar 234 equipped KG 76 from Oct '44, flying its first operational missions during the Ardennes offensive in December. The jet bombers were very active in the early weeks of 1945, one of their most notable missions being the ten-day series of attacks on the Ludendorff bridge at Remagen, captured by the Americans in March 1945. Very few Ar 234 sorties were flown after the end of March, although an experimental Ar 234 night fighter unit, the Kommando Bonow, equipped with two Ar 234s converted to carry upward-firing cannon, continued to operate until the end of the war."

However, it doesn't state what version this was. If the Night fighter (Ar234C-3/N) was in use (although only experimental) wouldn't the C-3 be as well?
Wish that the C-3/N was used more...2x 20mms and 2x 30mms in the nose...oh boy. :)
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Ruler2 on June 09, 2009, 11:19:05 AM



This is a good book on the Ar 234.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ee/6a/695d225b9da04b7561be0110.L._AA240_.jpg)


only problem with your book's cover: Ar234 did not have a 4 eng variant that I am aware of
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Lusche on June 09, 2009, 11:26:41 AM

only problem with your book's cover: Ar234 did not have a 4 eng variant that I am aware of

If you had looked up what a Ar234C (topic of this thread) actually is, you would be ;)

(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9643/234c.jpg)

(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4615/2234c.jpg)
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Spikes on June 10, 2009, 06:04:49 PM
Lusche...was my last attempt another fail? It wasn't that much info but I had just recently pulled out that book.
Title: Re: Arado Ar234C-3
Post by: Shark21 on June 12, 2009, 03:35:44 PM
I too have the Monogram book. Hard to find and expensive now, but worth it. the "Caesar" is fully described there.
(Actually, the Smith & Creek 4-volume series on the 262 is another good read)

Another good book on the Blitz is a Japanese publication entitled "Aero Details 16, Arado AR234 BLITZ", January, 1996, Dai Nippon Kaiga Co., Ltd.