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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: StSanta on October 30, 2000, 10:42:00 AM
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Funny film: I had an f4u d800 my 6, slowly extending from him. Then suddenly he started taining, so I dived a bit. When he kept on gaining, I started film recorder:
http://www.geocities.com/stsantasatan/f4ucatching.zip (http://www.geocities.com/stsantasatan/f4ucatching.zip)
Pretty funny.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 10-31-2000).]
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Link doesn't work. Can you describe what happened?
-Westy
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I've noticed that these so called 'fast accelerating' 109's has very slow acceleration after some 250-280mph...
that takes some edge from its total speed advantage...
And I always thought that Me109 series was most fastest accerlating planes during WW2 and Fw190 were quite fast in that job too..
In AH it seems that Fw190 gets to be second in accelerating race with P47 when level and starting from low speeds.. not to talk about higher speeds which seems almost impossible to achieve.
Same thing in Me109 with AH.. they do accelerate fine in the begining, but then after about 280mph there comes dramatic drop in acceleration.
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Hi
Had the same thing happend to me, but in reverse. I was gaining steadily then he pulled away, all straight and level with no diving. I was G10 with plenty of WEP he was F4U. Only happend once tho, so it might have been lag, but u never know. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
thanks GRUNHERZ
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I've pretty much given up on asking for tweaks in the flight modelling. If the AH version of the F4 is faster than a 109G10 on the deck then so be it. No sense in arguing about it. I would like to see the tweaks as soon as they become apparent, but there *always* seems to be a excuse as to why one plane or another is not performing like historic records say it should. HT will fine-tune things when and if he gets to it.
fscott
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Fuel load is quite critical in situations like this.
A very light F4U could reasonably catch a fuel heavy 109G10 in acceleration (I don't know this is fact, just saying that it may be possible)
But I do know this. Put 100% fuel load in both aircraft, and the G10 will outrun the F4U every time.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Fscott,
Can't fix that what you don't know... (or take a look into it for that matter)
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Lets see the actual film. StSanta if for some reason you can't get your link working, email the film to me and I will post it.
Hooligan
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oooops, link fixed, try it again on top of page.
I started the film a little late, though, as I discovered that he was actually beginning to catch me.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/sig.gif)
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By the time that you started your film the only thing that is apparent is that you both had a lot of smash and that he has more. Did you both just come out of dives?
Hooligan
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just dropping by for a small comment - haven't seen the film yet but here's what I have to say:
Yesterday I got into a knife fight with a C-Hog myself being in a FW190-A5 (2*20,50% fuel) - I came in with a huge alt advantage but blew it all pushing the fight because he was near his field... so we were going round and round in circles finally, me being in a slight angular advantage. BUT there was no way gaining more angles on him... we just kept going round and round... I know that the 190 (no version) is a T&B plane but the F4Us performance surprised me nevetheless. I finally broke off because there was another enemy coming up from the field. I outaccelrated him level but could not climb from him. That puzzled me - besides AW3 I thought the F4U to be a lousy climber, or at least lousier than the 190A5 - please enlighten me... I got shot down in the end and I <S> my foe, Whels - it was a fun fight but the dogfighting abilities of the C-Hog really surprised me, especially we being on the deck... I got the film and gonna post it as soon as I get a gap in my schedule...
I don't have much experience G10vsCHog in 1.4 but there were darn fast in the previous versions... and moreover 1.4 and CT seem to have tamed the nasty stall behaviour of it... add Hispano Turbolasers MarkII and here we go TieFighter vs X-Wing all the way... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Very simple, the F4U-1C activated an interesting device installed only on none-knit planes.
The two outter Hispanos rotate 180 degrees and the pilot then depresses the trigger, allowing for brief periods of near super-sonic speed for the tiny rocket motors hidden within the shells (that give it such a flat trajectory)
This also leaves two forward firing Hispanos, more then enough to deal with anything encountered.
It was thought that only Finland lacked access to this information but it is much less available then first thought.
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- Jig
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in the same directory,
LOL a G6 catching a D25 in dive (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Well...what can we do about it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Jigster:
Very simple, the F4U-1C activated an interesting device installed only on none-knit planes.
The two outter Hispanos rotate 180 degrees and the pilot then depresses the trigger, allowing for brief periods of near super-sonic speed for the tiny rocket motors hidden within the shells (that give it such a flat trajectory)
This also leaves two forward firing Hispanos, more then enough to deal with anything encountered.
It was thought that only Finland lacked access to this information but it is much less available then first thought.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
- Jig
You forgot to add that this feature was stolen from Fw 190 design.
The test pilot flew 190 with reversable Mg151s and he designed/build and tested F4U with reversable Hispanos all by himself !!!
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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I eat corsairs, both models, for lunch in the Yak-9. Now that plane IS uber. I even get lucky and beat well flown F4's on occasion. As far as fast, I always thought of the corsair as being just that. faster than a G-10, I doubt it, but if it has alot of built E then it is a beast to catch.
ammo
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Bah, geoshitties won't let me link, here's link from my new home page (which is very fassst (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
http://home1.stofanet.dk/stsanta/f4ucatching.zip (http://home1.stofanet.dk/stsanta/f4ucatching.zip)
At any rate; I had equalized speed and pulled away slowly, then F4u enters a dive to catch me, and I do the same. We're at very low alt so the dive is very shallow.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/sig.gif)
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I know i can't usually run from 109s in my HOG unless it's a G2 or F4 which you hardly ever see in the MA...
But it's correct given the F4U pilot had a lot of Smash to start with the HOG will reach it's top speed a bit earlier than the 109 which has the initial acceleration advantage. But only if the HOg driver has some WEP left to burn...
But nevertheless if you're flat out on the deck getting close to your max speed you will leave even a very light Hog on WEP in the dust with the G10.
and the Yak .. yea that plane scares me .. can't turn with it , can't climb with it and can't run from it .. it's a killer given the pilot has no itchy rigger finger.
DW6
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I tested top speed for g10 with gondolas using the autotrim method. I got 356 Mph with WEP on the deck. So it appears that an F4U is just a little bit faster. Also, when you dived, the F4U undoubtedly picked up more speed in the dive than the 109 did (it weighs 4500 lbs more). If you two were co-E when the engagement began you should have been able to get away in a gentle climb as long as the F4U wasn't too close.
Hooligan
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If we are discussing on the deck speeds (I haven't looked at the film), the F4U should be very close if not actually faster than the G10. Its suppose to be.
Fuel load is critical at low levels, when determining which is faster and which catchs which in acceleration.
The G10 is in its "sweet spot" between 10k-20k, and its in that range where its the fastest plane in AH.
Above that or below that, it usually falls into the 2nd to 4th range.
Another example is the P51D and the Yak-9U. The P-51D is faster than the Yak right? I mean 437mph compared to 417mph?
The answer is maybe.
If the P-51 has WEP left its faster at almost all altitudes, except for a very narrow band at around 7,000ft (which is what I dive too if I think I'm being chased by a P-51 while in a Yak.)
If it doesn't have WEP left, there are additional areas where the Yak is superior, and the differential is much lower at all altitudes under 20k.
Enough rambling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure