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Title: P-38
Post by: mensa180 on May 09, 2009, 02:47:55 PM: Does anyone have some profiles of a 38 I could try to skin? I'm looking for a Robin Olds plane, perhaps Scat whichevernumberyoufind.

Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Guppy35 on May 09, 2009, 04:23:35 PM: Old's bird has come up a bunch. Search this forum as I know a couple of us have posted photos of it and profiles.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: AWwrgwy on May 09, 2009, 04:27:58 PM: Maj. Robin Olds' Scat II

(http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/1062/P-38J_Robin_Olds_mini.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5205/lockheedp38j15lightning.jpg)

Scat III

(http://www.oldgloryprints.com/Scat_Attack.jpg)

Captain Owen Fincher's P-38 Lightning, Arkansas Traveler, 392nd Squadron, 367th Fighter Group, 9th AF

(http://www.dragon-isle.net/kwilhite/graphics/ark_trav_lg.jpg)
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8922/344at.jpg)

wrongway
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Guppy35 on May 09, 2009, 04:49:21 PM: Quote from: AWwrgwy on May 09, 2009, 04:27:58 PM
Maj. Robin Olds' Scat II

wrongway

Problem is Scat II was a NMF bird and carried full D-Day stripes. It was lost before they went to rudder colors in the 479th too. Those profiles are not correct based on the photos of the real Scat II
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: mensa180 on May 09, 2009, 05:43:15 PM: Will do Dan. I had began Old's plane some time ago but lost it to a reformat.

So Scat II was bare metal, had a black circle on the rudders, not red coloring, and some OD on the nose?
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Guppy35 on May 09, 2009, 08:33:00 PM: Forgot I had them on photobucket.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Scat2.jpg)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: mensa180 on May 09, 2009, 08:45:57 PM: Yeah, found that picture in a previous post that AKAK linked to, it didn't work at first but I tinkered with the address and got it to come up fine.

So far my two sources are what you posted and this:

(http://i14.tinypic.com/4usxzbb.jpg)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Krusty on May 09, 2009, 10:33:38 PM: IMO the problem with most of those planes is that they're all the same. Sure they may have different noseart, but outside of 100 yards you'll not be able to see that. The colors, tail bands, D-Day stripes, etc, have all been done.

I think that aside from 2 P-38 skins, all of the rest are either bland bare-metal or olive-drab. VERY little variety on these birds. (Pity, that... Much more choice on P51s P47s, etc)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Guppy35 on May 09, 2009, 11:49:57 PM: Quote from: Krusty on May 09, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
IMO the problem with most of those planes is that they're all the same. Sure they may have different noseart, but outside of 100 yards you'll not be able to see that. The colors, tail bands, D-Day stripes, etc, have all been done.

I think that aside from 2 P-38 skins, all of the rest are either bland bare-metal or olive-drab. VERY little variety on these birds. (Pity, that... Much more choice on P51s P47s, etc)

<Smacks Krusty>

LOL we've had this discussion before. For those who fly em, they know the differences. And it does make a difference for those of us with a history approach to the game. Now go get back in your LW bird :)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: mensa180 on May 10, 2009, 12:04:58 AM: Quote from: Krusty on May 09, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
IMO the problem with most of those planes is that they're all the same. Sure they may have different noseart, but outside of 100 yards you'll not be able to see that. The colors, tail bands, D-Day stripes, etc, have all been done.

I think that aside from 2 P-38 skins, all of the rest are either bland bare-metal or olive-drab. VERY little variety on these birds. (Pity, that... Much more choice on P51s P47s, etc)

IMO the problem is people coming into a thread critiquing your choice of plane when you are looking from something relatively simple to start and learn with. Not to mention the fact it makes sense to skin a plane you will enjoy flying, keep in mind that Olds's death was in June...June is coming up.

Made sense to me.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 10, 2009, 02:00:07 AM: Quote from: Krusty on May 09, 2009, 10:33:38 PM

I think that aside from 2 P-38 skins, all of the rest are either bland bare-metal or olive-drab. VERY little variety on these birds. (Pity, that... Much more choice on P51s P47s, etc)
Don't forget black. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,261875.0.html :D Kidding of course.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Krusty on May 10, 2009, 02:10:50 AM: Guppy, he needs a smack too!

Sure you can learn on a simple skin, but you ask me? Bare metal is one of the HARDEST looks to pull off, ever. Might want to start on something painted, OD, or camo, or something.

Also, IMO, the first skin is always by far the hardest. You're learning so much. It helps if you *really* get a skin you love. Something you have a personal vested interest in finishing (so that when you get down, or feel you won't ever finish, you have that driving force to keep you on task).
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: mensa180 on May 10, 2009, 02:26:14 AM: I started this skin previously around the time of DGS but lost it in a reformat. This being my first skin the second time through should go a tad smoother.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: oboe on May 10, 2009, 07:02:49 AM: Lyric has some great info on some OD 370th FG 38s; they tended to be really colorful with interesting nose art, if you decide against natural metal.

I forget now who was working on "My Dad". I'll try to help if you get stuck, in the meantime I'd re-read the skin tutorials (great tips in those and I usually forget a lot between skinning projects) and inspect Fester's 38J skins very closely. Dunno how he achieved such awesome detail but they are the standard I go by.

GL and keep us posted!
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: mensa180 on May 10, 2009, 08:45:04 PM: Quote from: oboe on May 10, 2009, 07:02:49 AM
Lyric has some great info on some OD 370th FG 38s; they tended to be really colorful with interesting nose art, if you decide against natural metal.

I forget now who was working on "My Dad". I'll try to help if you get stuck, in the meantime I'd re-read the skin tutorials (great tips in those and I usually forget a lot between skinning projects) and inspect Fester's 38J skins very closely. Dunno how he achieved such awesome detail but they are the standard I go by.

GL and keep us posted!

My Dad? That sounds oddly familiar, maybe I am confusing this with that...I know I started on some sort of P-38 skin. I'm crazy.

edit: LOL. I guess I thought I was doing an olds skin because I had so seriously considered it at the time. My Dad was my project, it turns out, heck I even had James Morris as my avatar. Man I'm messed up :lol.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,227025.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,227025.0.html)

I suppose this helps me even more, giving me a good profile.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Jappa52 on May 10, 2009, 11:47:33 PM: If someone would do any of these I would appreciate it.

(http://www.onmarkint.com/static/images/u/us36603/us36603.jpg)

(http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/1062/1212760919_P-38J_Robin_Olds_mini.jpg)

(https://www.aviationillustration.com/shop/images/P-51.58.jpg)

(http://www.oldgloryprints.com/Scat_Attack.jpg)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: AWwrgwy on May 13, 2009, 05:43:51 AM: (http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7038/mydad2.jpg)

wrongway
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 13, 2009, 07:05:19 AM: Quote from: oboe on May 10, 2009, 07:02:49 AM
Lyric has some great info on some OD 370th FG 38s; they tended to be really colorful with interesting nose art, if you decide against natural metal.

They also had some very cool 51's as well.

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6997026ed5.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/e7d298d64d.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: B4Buster on May 13, 2009, 01:05:54 PM: I like that 77th FS 38 skin
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 14, 2009, 07:36:20 AM: Quote from: oboe on May 10, 2009, 07:02:49 AM
Lyric has some great info on some OD 370th FG 38s; they tended to be really colorful with interesting nose art, if you decide against natural metal.

The book has some colour pictures as well that are a little unusual as far as colouring goes. In particular the red around the wing root in this example. The aircraft has some art work on the engines as well unfortunately it is not very clear.

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/4e3ceb1923.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/98e9aeb4a3.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/123cc67b69.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/35b8e83965.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 14, 2009, 08:03:31 AM: Or this one I have always liked it.

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/66670e8e5b.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/aac7b56715.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ba6c47d4c2.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 14, 2009, 03:04:56 PM: Quote from: Krusty on May 09, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
IMO the problem with most of those planes is that they're all the same. Sure they may have different noseart, but outside of 100 yards you'll not be able to see that. The colors, tail bands, D-Day stripes, etc, have all been done.

I think that aside from 2 P-38 skins, all of the rest are either bland bare-metal or olive-drab. VERY little variety on these birds. (Pity, that... Much more choice on P51s P47s, etc)

Only the ignorant can't tell the difference.

ack-ack
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Jappa52 on May 14, 2009, 10:53:55 PM: That's a nice skin lyric!

Here is one I found interesting...
(http://www.nose-art.net/Buchanan.jpg)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Krusty on May 15, 2009, 06:15:27 PM: Quote from: Ack-Ack on May 14, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
Only the ignorant can't tell the difference.

ack-ack

Wow.... Such a defensive comment!

EDIT: P.S. Lyric your images aren't loading for me. Big blank spaces then little red "X"s.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 16, 2009, 09:17:44 AM: Quote from: Krusty on May 15, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
Wow.... Such a defensive comment!

EDIT: P.S. Lyric your images aren't loading for me. Big blank spaces then little red "X"s.
Some times the sever that I used for posting pictures takes a dump altogether for a while or try hitting refresh some times that fixes it.
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 20, 2009, 07:16:32 AM: Quote from: lyric1 on May 13, 2009, 07:05:19 AM
They also had some very cool 51's as well.

Well my photo sharing host has died so for the benefit of Krusty I will re-post the pics in this thread.

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6348/scan104.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan104.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3195/scan103v.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan103v.jpg)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 20, 2009, 07:24:16 AM: Quote from: lyric1 on May 14, 2009, 07:36:20 AM
The book has some colour pictures as well that are a little unusual as far as colouring goes. In particular the red around the wing root in this example. The aircraft has some art work on the engines as well unfortunately it is not very clear.

Re-post.

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8458/scan206.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan206.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5960/scan182l.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan182l.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9798/lockheedp38j25lolightni.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lockheedp38j25lolightni.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8364/scan108.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan108.jpg)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: lyric1 on May 20, 2009, 07:31:45 AM: Quote from: lyric1 on May 14, 2009, 08:03:31 AM
Or this one I have always liked it.

Re-post.

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/783/98115.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=98115.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2499/om32507.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=om32507.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8999/p38370.th.jpg) (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p38370.jpg)
Title: Re: P-38
Post by: Plazus on June 10, 2009, 03:50:34 PM: I do like the Scat 2 and 3 for the P38s. Ive always been fond of the invasion stripes. Adds a formidable/intimidating presence to them.