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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: hammer on May 13, 2009, 09:55:19 AM
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For those that didn't see Guppy's "Lets play identify the Spitfire!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264653.0.html) thread, here's a Soviet Spit 16. Thought someone might be interested.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Spitfire3.jpg)
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Actually a Spit LFIXe but that's the same thing as the 16
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In order to better fit into the community on this BBS, I am going to argue with you that it is not LFIXe. Heck, LFIXe doesn't even spell anything! Unless it's French - La Fix?
Anyway, clearly it's a Spit16 because that's what I said in my original post. No way you can change my mind, either.
Regards,
h4mm3R
(am I fitting in better?)
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That particular Spit is one that was test flown by the Soviets to establish its performance. As such it has no unit markings, just the stars and the RAF airframe code.
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However, that means it wasn't a combat skin, correct? Not allowed in AH, then?
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However, that means it wasn't a combat skin, correct? Not allowed in AH, then?
The Russians got a about a thousand LFIXe so I'm sure we can come up with something if a skinner really wants to so a Soviet bird.
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(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6595/icm480730spitfirelfixka.jpg)
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Is this true?:
I am not planning to discuss the history of development of this outstanding aircraft as much was written in numerous sources. I would just mention that 1182 of Mk.IXs were delivered to the Soviet Union. All of them were assigned to air defense units and did not see actual combat.
Saw this statement looking for Russian Spit profiles. It's rather vague.
wrongway
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It goes along with anecdotal tales that VVS did not like spitfires, prefering other planes instead.
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It goes along with anecdotal tales that VVS did not like spitfires, prefering other planes instead.
Considering the Fighter Collection at Duxford has a recovered Spit LFIXe from Russia that was lost in combat.....
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If you guys can find one that was used in combat missions Id be willing to skin it.
EDIT: Any info about this one?
From WP:
Spitfire LF.Mk.IX
Unit: 26th GvIAP, PVO
Serial: 78
Leningrad VO, USSR, 1945.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/1_3.jpg)
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Why didn't anybody ever finish the VVS spit with the white arrow?
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Why didn't anybody ever finish the VVS spit with the white arrow?
Cause the profile was wrong :)
That was a Vb anyway
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There was a photo, albeit black and white, and I could distinctly draw lines around where the "arrow" supposedly was. Seemed pretty good evidence to me!
EDIT: not meant to hijack, hehe, my bad!
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The Soviets had mixed feelings WRT Spitfires, they liked the firepower but not the widely spaced guns. The manouverability and ease of flying was good but LW planes could easily escape in a dive. Ground handling was considered very poor on the Soviet front line airfields and spares were a big problem. The early Mk Vs they used in the front line were badly mauled by the LW for the most part.
The Mk IXs had better altitude performance than any Soviet fighter but most of the fighting was done at low altitudes. So it was decided to use them in the PVO regiments. These units were tasked with defending key cities and installations from air attack and had proper airfields with concrete runways. Trouble is, by the time the Spit IXs became operational the long range LW attacks and recon flights had dried up. The front line was soon pushed too far west and the Spits saw little action. Nevertheless they were operational at squadron level for over a year so there is no reason they should not be accepted as a skin. Note that the Soviets did not retire their Spits for several years after the war ended, so they couldn't have hated them that much.
I have submitted a VVS Spit Mk IX skin already and I believe jocko is intending to work on the Spit shown in the profile above.
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I think Jocko was doing a Russian spit I know I had posted a thread at some point or he did? Here it is some of the links have pictures that may be better suited to skin. His was a Spit five.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,248698.0.html
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I've been side tracked lately with another project and a lot of RL stuff but yes, I did start a VVS LF Mk IXe skin for the Mk XVI as in the above model box/profile. As of today I am on vacation 'til the end of May so I'll make it a priority, now that I think of it I still haven't finished that BPF Hellcat either... :rolleyes:
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I thought I had already done the USSR LF IX, hmmm.
Mind you getting old memory going.
Probably forgot to submit it lol.
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Maybe because the 9s didn't see any action, Kev?
Just wondering if you chose to not submit, or forgot to submit.
But... just in case...
If ya forgot, YOU BUGGER!!! WHY?!??!?!?!? :O
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Maybe because the 9s didn't see any action, Kev?
Just wondering if you chose to not submit, or forgot to submit.
But... just in case...
If ya forgot, YOU BUGGER!!! WHY?!??!?!?!? :O
Krusty, they did see some action. But I said that already :)
The remnants of one of those Russian Spit IXs that was shot down in combat
http://fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/spit_ix_2/index.php
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The Mk IXs had better altitude performance than any Soviet fighter but most of the fighting was done at low altitudes. So it was decided to use them in the PVO regiments. These units were tasked with defending key cities and installations from air attack and had proper airfields with concrete runways. Trouble is, by the time the Spit IXs became operational the long range LW attacks and recon flights had dried up. The front line was soon pushed too far west and the Spits saw little action.
That would imply otherwise. If you can find one that specifically saw combat (i.e. the one shot down before the museum repainted it?) that would be great. I dislike the idea of a skin on a plane that never saw combat, though.
EDIT: I see the museum hasn't restored it yet. Interesting that it's got mostly RAF markings. All the VVS markings eroded away over the years (only being just visible), so it's kind of moot as far as skinning it goes (nothing to go on!). Pretty astounding how that plane wrapped the tail like that!
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spit captured by the germans,not sure of the model
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/danny37/Hdbspit_1.jpg)
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It's the messerspit. 109F engine mated to a Spit (SpitV, I think?) frame. Many complications due to different voltages with the 109 engine and the spit frame, supposedly was better than a spit or a 109, but was only a test bed.
It may have been bombed on a runway. Either that or I'm thinking of the 109Z.
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They were generally assigned to air defence units (and fleet/navy units).......... the main beef the VVS seemed to have agin the Spit was the comparatively maintenance heavy Merlin. It was not built to the brick sh*t house standards normally required by front line VVs units(VVS view not mine).
Duxford spit is interesting. I am sure they have researched it as much as possible. Delivered Dec44 yet found shot up on the Russian Steppe (Ukraine?). Yet Romania had surrendered in August 44 and the Red Army had crossed into both Romania and Hungary before this bird was delivered...
In essence then the UKraine was rear of the lines (by the time this Spit would have been assigned) and might well indeed have been under the guard of rear air defence units or indeed parts of the Black sea naval air regiments. Its combat damage would have been as a result then of a rare incursion (for time) of the LW into what would have been considered pretty secure VVS air space.
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spit captured by the germans,not sure of the model
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/danny37/Hdbspit_1.jpg)
:furious :mad:
I'm gonna Puke.