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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Westy on January 24, 2000, 03:28:00 PM
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The new screen shot looks great!!
I'm honestly not up to speed on the Italian aircraft so I had to do a little searching to find out what the difference between a C.205 and C.202 was - seeing how they look almost identical in comparative screen shots.
This site, posted in an earlier topic, http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/iwai/mc202.html (http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/iwai/mc202.html)
shed some light.
From what I understand it uses a DB601 engine and smaller calibre weapons? And it was introduced to combat in "Afrika" in 1941.
Does this mean we'll soon get the P40, Hurricane or P38F/G/H???? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
--Westy
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Spit Vb to follow...
Malta, Malta, Malta!
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Pongo
Sturm Gruppe
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Great!
The Regia Aeronautica will be finally discovered!
Now we wait for the Macchi Mc200, Fiat Cr42, the SIAI Marchetti SM79 & the Reggiane fighters!!!
To Westy: the Macchi 20X series begun with the Mc200, a radial engined fighter wich showed excellent performances thanks the perfect wing designed by Mario Castoldi, but was underpowered.
The Mc 202 & Mc 205 were more or less the same airframe/wings of the Mc200 with the engine replaced by the DB601A and DB605.
The 202 went to the fronts in 1941 and the 205 in 1943.
The airframe was extremely strong (+/- 15g allowed) and the powerful engines exalted the aircrafts maneuverability, wich became outstanding in the Mc205.
The only (major) differences between the 202 & the 205 are the engine & the armament, wich was 2x12.7mm for the 202 (yes only two MGs...).
The Mc202 proved to be fatal for the P40s & Hurris, and even the SpitVs were in very big troubles.
Unfortunatly (or luckily?) the italian pilots were not able to shoot, but this is another history.
Veetwin
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Thank you v-twin!
North Afrika and Malta.
Now there are two scenarios/theatres I would LOVE to fly in.
-Westy
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I would like to see a Spit V against which to pit the new bird.
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I think that people voted with their feet and love the 205, its got lots of flavour and lots of capabilities. And I have never heared anybody complain about it being overmodeled. This can only encourage HTC to do more of the same.
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Pongo
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Westy,
some more info for you ... an a warning for HTC (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Engined with the same DB601Aa of the Bf109E-3 the Macchi C.202 "Folgore" was a real beast (armament apart), thank to her beautifully streamlined fuselage and wing. Max speed was 375mph at 18,370ft. Time to 19,685ft (6,000mt) was 5'55".
She was armed with 2x12,7mm and, from the 7th series, with two additional 7,7mm in the wings (like our light C.205). Some 1,200 were built.
As you can see she was really superior to the 109E-3 and more like a 109F-2. A tough foe for the Hurricanes, SpitMkII, MkV, P-40 and early P38's met over North Africa, Malta and Sicily. Too bad she had a light armament. A lot of italian pilots lost their lives due to those peashooters (bad thing). Actually, many RAF, RCAF, SAAF pilots saved theirs (good thing).
(http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/202.jpg)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 01-25-2000).]
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Where's the Spitfire Mk Vc(four cannon please) to shoot that pretty Italian bird down with? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Malta...4canon spit's...lets see ....No radar for the allies.... hight advantage for the axis most of the time ....slow climbing,slower turning spit 5(4 cannons),aginst 109 f2 and c202 ... would be fun to try. I'm In (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
see ya on line
[This message has been edited by combat23 (edited 01-25-2000).]
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From what I understand the spitV where shipped with 4 cannons and 2 where usually removed..Was there no radar at Malta?
Cant be that bad to be the allies there though, look who won.
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Pongo
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The Allies won because most of the Luftwaffe units left and went to Russia.
What other planes would be good for Malta/Nth Africa?
Gladiator
P-40(kittyhawk/tomahawk)
P-39?
Hurricane II
Spitfire V
Blenhiem
Beaufort/fighter?
Boston/A-20?
Bf109E-7
Bf109F-4
Ju88A-4
He111H
Ju-87B, or D?
C.202
Re ????
CR.42
SM.79
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Thanks Gatt!
-Westy
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AFAIK there was a radar in Malta.
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 01-25-2000).]
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Juzz, they had won and left for somewhere else? The cessation of offensive opperations is a defensive victory....
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Pongo
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The Germans were in effect fighting a 3-front war... may have been bad strategy, but it doesn't mean that their equipment was inferior.
[This message has been edited by dolomite (edited 01-25-2000).]
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Pongo are you psychic? Have you seen the newly released screen shot of the Spit Vb ???
<westy slowly rubs temples in concentration>
I see....
a feint and blurry image ...
thru the haze...
could it be a....
GLADIATOR?????
(not likely but.. hey <shrug> )
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USSR built more warplanes than Italy and Germany combined. But we have two German types, two Italian types, and one Soviet type? WTF? How about some historically significant aircraft?
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Wow. I mean of course I got it right...
Historically signifigant?
I am sure the Yak series will be in there in time...Give these guys a break look at the rate they are releasing planes.....
Dol. quick count of fronts that the Brits, and Americans were involved in....
Its not like taking on Russia but one of the most interesting things about Malta is the ongoing attempts to get enough resources there..
It is a disservice to the defenders to imply (imho)that Malta was a victory by default...and that the Germans - Italians could have taken it with more focus or if they hadnt been called away...
They where defeated. They put some very big pushes on to capture it. Many of the countries that the Germans had allready fought would have surrendered at Malta, but the Brits there did not.
Given the whole focused might of the LW could the Germans have taken it....I dont know..where they willing to lose all those resources trying?
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Pongo
[This message has been edited by Pongo (edited 01-25-2000).]
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I'm really happy to see the C.202 come to AH. Very nice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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leonid
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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There was radar at Malta. GCI was handled from Valletta, they could spot enemy formations forming up over Sicily.
Sources: several, most recent I've read is Laddie Lucas' "The Malta Story".
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I've red the book "Hell's island": impressive. Didnt know the fight over Malta has been so tuff.
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I remember reading the book "Faith, Hope and Charity" years ago, it chronicled the three Gladiators that fought over Malta for the initial aerial bombardment and attacks. For a period of time these 4 planes, flying in a group of 3 on 1 landed held off literally the entire Italian airforce. They were modified so the WEP was permanently on and were incredibly manueverable. I think their kills were modest but their k/d ratio was beyond belief. There is still on display in Malta in the museum. The others were all destroyed by the end of the war.
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If your in range, so is the enemy.
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Leonid, your right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Macchi fighters fought over North Africa, Malta, Sicily, Balkans, and over the whole Italy from 1943 on both with allied and axis forces. C.205s and Fiat G.55s often clashed with escorted B-24 and B-17 formations over northern Italy. They will a very good addition for every scenario we will play in the Med theatre.
C.202s even fought over Russia during the attack against Stalingrad. According to some sources their k/d ratio was outstanding. Can you dig out any figure about that?