Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Urchin on April 16, 2001, 08:41:00 AM
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OK, I just d/l'ed the game, and I think I am going to start paying for it because it is so fun. However, I have a German WW2 plane fetish (hehe), and I have some questions to ask of the other German iron drivers.
1. The 109 (I love this plane, I think it is dead sexy), how does it stack up to the 190, and the popular allied planes? I'll list what I have noticed, perhaps someone can fill in what I missed or what I am dead wrong on.
- The 109 has horrible high speed control. Past about 400 mph, you really have to yank the stick around to make it do anything. However, it also has pretty poor low-speed control, making it tough to get low and slow on the deck. From what I can see, this plane is good between 300-375 mph. The G-10 is supposedly the best climber in the game, I really haven't noticed to be honest. I have found it to be nearly impossible to climb away from someone on my tail, maybe I'm doing it wrong.
190- Has a far superior rate of roll compared to the 109, but people say it has a poor turning rate. Does it also have a poor turning radius? I haven't noticed. The firepower in the A8 is much MUCH better than the 109G10. The highspeed control has to be better as well.. it couldn't be worse.
So, for a newbie to this game (and I'm not a great pilot either, or a gunner hehe), which is a better plane for me to pick? The 190A8 or the 109G10? I honestly don't want to go with the Dora because I at least want to be somewhat unique, and I hear that plane is used by a lot of people.
Also, the planes that usually give me a lot of trouble in the G10 (which is what I have been flying) are the Spitfire, the F4U-C, the Yak and the La7. Can anyone give me some tips on how to deal with these planes in either a G10 or an A8?
Thanks in advance for the help, Urchin.
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Urchin,
First off if you know so much about what others think of planes how can you call yourself a newbie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)? At any rate, I don't care what people say about the planes we fly they are here therefore use them.
You might want to try the A5 out first, it lacks the hitting power of the A8 but is superior to it in all categories other then that. DO not get in turning battles but use your ability to zoom climb and roll. The A-8 is not a turner at all, phenomenal roll rate compared ot other planes, guns to die for. You have a couple options for this bird, if you loadout 30mm fire them at a range of 400 or less, otherwise your wasting ammo. I use the A8 as a buff interceptor mainly.
All FW's at low speed turn horrible I have found there sweet spot for turning to be around 300, under that and its futile. The D9 is superb great climber, guns are not to bad, rolls exceptional turns crappy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Use its stronpoints in zoom climbing and roll, whatever gets behind you, a quick drop of the nose and they will soon be forgotten. Whenever going into combat never go in below 400, always room for error I think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Now on to the 109's, you might try the G-6 with no gunpods it turns quite nice. All 109's have a problem with dive speed over 400+ controls get heavy and lethargic. but, when you get to over 10-15K it seems over 400 they are a bit more stable. The G-10 is THE climber in AH, without gunpods nothing can touch it, you should be able to out distance foes in this bird if they get on your 6. Acceleration is excellent for the G-10 as well.
The 109's do not take damage well like there Focke Wulf Bretheren, they also are best used above 10K, G-2 and G-6 can be used down low though. G-10 best alt is around 19K there, nothing will touch you in speed or climb. Sometimes taking the extra gun is worth it in combat, but after awhile you will find that it is a hindrance in combat. Especially in the 109's for it kills the handling. One other note the 109's and 190's have short rnage, so it is best to take a drop tank. I go into combat with a drop tank and 50% fuel, losing the DT before combat.
My favorite ride now is the D-9, but I am always partial to the A-8. 109's seem to = death for me. Hope this helps you out some.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.
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If you have HOTAS, program your elev/aileron/rudder trim into a switch, and use the Elev trim to baby yourself out of near compression dives with the 109...also, when diving, I sometimes shut engine off and stomp on the rudder while maintaining the nose on target below with the ailerons,...this will help bleed energy so you don't compress.
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Great, thanks for your help ;-) I'm more partial to the 109, even tho I think I could kick it and something would fall off, at least that is how it seems to be modeled. Got shot down today by a B26 (or 25, whichever one that is) from a 90degree deflection shot at 1.2K, climbing and going ~300 mph. I was a little disgusted.
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Urchin, use a 'diving away' egress from buffs, they'll nail ya everytime if you climb away within guns distance..do a barrel roll down and away, then climb. Also, use a 109 thats suited for buff attack, like the G10 with pods or 30mm...I don't even bother attacking buffs with a single 20mm, its suicide, as it was if you were alone attacking a buff in WW2. Best to have a wingman when attacking buffs, or the right plane for the right job.
I'll be making some training films on buff attack tactics in the next 4 weeks or so, look for them in the HELP forum and links to them.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-16-2001).]
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OK, how about some help with the planes that give me trouble? Namely, the F4U-C,the LA-7 (and 5), the Yak, and the Spit? Also, sometimes it seems like I black out in a turn, but the guy following me doesn't, why is that? He would be turning just as many G's as me to stay on my tail, right?
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Not necessarily.
He can fly slower than you, turn in a tighter radius, pull less G's and stay on your tail. Or, he can use lag pursuit and not turn quite as hard and stay on your tail and maintain his position.
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!
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Good examples of lead and lag pursuit, Leph <S>.
I prefer lag if I am in a faster aircraft...and I prefer lead pursuit if I'm in a slower aircraft.
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just get over the fetish (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) We all did at one point or the other... it seems that 90% of people start sims with LW fetish (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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Speak for yourself fd-ski, you leather-panties wearing freak! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I've only really ever flown 3 planes. P-38 in WB (when it was the freaky J-25LO version), P-47 when it came to WB, and then the F4U-1D in AH until I got my Jug.
Jug jug jug, I'm a Jug man. Can't stand those wimpy loosewaffle planes and I never could. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) .50's just rule.
Sorry... I just couldn't allow that many of us to be lumped in with the likes of StSanta. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!
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For what its worth...
A definite must!
DL ctfj software for stick calibration.
You will need it to take the edge off the 109 control. It will help you minimize you blackout problem.
One tactic to use against the spit (besides running away!) is a P38 tactic. Never turn fight. Always loop with as much flaps to get you over the top as it will take. I know its a squeak to be used to B & Z you r targets and trying to contend with compressibility. Always load the 30mm and gun pods are a give and take. Always, a;ways check your gun convergence. I don't know why HTC has the minimum set as default (250 vs 650 maximum). I have noticed that sometimes after a new release gun convergence gets reset to minimum. I typically have mine set to 650 max. This is accessed from the hanger clip board.
If you master the 109 here, you can fly any other plane with ease. I better clarify that statement. All planes have their strengths & weakness. The 109 weakness is it requires patient stick control compared to other planes.
KEEP'EM FLYIN!
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Hum.. new question then. The 30mm Cannon in the G10- is it worth losing the 90 rounds to the 20mm? (the max is 60 rounds for the 30 vs 150 for the 20). Is the 30mm a lot better? I've noticed the 20mm seems to lack hitting power, but that could be just because I rarely hit with it lol. I did use the 30mm with the 20mm gunpods on a Lanc earlier, he did not seem to be fazed by the cannon fire, although I did put a few rounds in his wings. I ended up killing him anyway, because he broke his own wing off diving away from me. His little rifle caliber MGs put a hurting on my ol 109 though, that is a lil irritating. I suppose I can understand the 50s in a B17 mangling your plane, but I thought the Lanc had .303s? Anyway, thanks for the answers, keep helping the newbie ;-)
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IMHO..
30mm over 20mm. Lets face it. When you fly the 109 which ever gun set you choose, ammo is not to be wasted. I feel if you are lucky enuf to get the nme in your sites in a 109 its best to place the biggest wager you got (30mm). Hit em hard and fast is the German way. As opposed to the US way..Spray & pray. nuf said!