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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: xtyger on May 22, 2009, 04:26:28 PM
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The Midwar Arena sure seems to be awfully slow so often lately. I was wondering what the possibility and what other Midwar folks thought of turning the Midwar Arena into a two country arena like Allied vs. Axis Arena is, at least for times when so few people are on?
I don't have any problem with three countries when there's enough people up and enough going on, but sometimes it will be slow for hours and just having two countries might get more people fighting and quicker.
Is such a thing possible, or would it require frequent resets like there are in Allied vs. Axis?
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Or just come to the AvA
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HOing with 3 countries is just the same as HOing with 2? :D
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+1 on goin to AvA. AvA is dead when I get on. would like to get back in there
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Say it again!!!!!!
+1 on goin to AvA. AvA is dead when I get on. would like to get back in there
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Its been lively over the past week
:noid
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Its been lively over the past week
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Yup. Grab a friend and come in, others will follow.
- oldman
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HEY!!! I'm talking about Midwar, not AvA. :rock
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So long as I still get my A6M5b I'm up for it. I'm a spy who switches to the lower side anyways to farm perks. :uhoh
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The Midwar Arena sure seems to be awfully slow so often lately. I was wondering what the possibility and what other Midwar folks thought of turning the Midwar Arena into a two country arena like Allied vs. Axis Arena is, at least for times when so few people are on?
I don't have any problem with three countries when there's enough people up and enough going on, but sometimes it will be slow for hours and just having two countries might get more people fighting and quicker.
No.....
MW was a lot better on a regular basis. You can still find some good fights from time to time. Seems some groups started coming in that just want to capture unattended bases.
A possible fix might be separating the perks between the arenas much the same way score has been separated. Well it probably would not fix it but might help.
There is so much info on the arenas that we are not privy of so I tend to let the HT staff do their work with the inside info that they have. I just go into the arenas an see how few parts I can land and still tell it is a 38.
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yup last night a sqaudie went into mw and flew 30 mins. and found nothing but 1 con running home to base. he pm'ed me and told me screw midwar .where are ya lol.thats why i no longer fly midwar
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MW base taking "win the war" was a minority 8 - 12 months ago and the majority just wanted to fight with numbers in the 30s and 40s. It slowly became where the "win the war" turned into the majority plus one squad came in from late war simply to grieve those that wanted to fight (yes they even said that's why they were there) They didn't like the way most people flying in MW expected 1v1 or 1v2 fights. I closed my account about 4 months ago and check the boards every now and then to see if anything has changed.
It was fun to me back when Cestrol (sp) was flying in there about a year ago.
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Which squad?
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Everytime I've gone into Midwar I've found lousy fights. Definately wasn't impressed. The AvA on the other hand has been real active lately with great fights for the most part. Come check it out :aok
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stodd spend 5 minutes in MW won't take long to figure that out.hint knits
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Everytime I've gone into Midwar I've found lousy fights. Definately wasn't impressed. The AvA on the other hand has been real active lately with great fights for the most part. Come check it out :aok
Sorry, but I have to burst your bubble a bit ...
Last Thursday I went in after a very long time, and the first 4 sorties I died from HO's (2), a gang and a vulch...
To me, AvA chevalry or gentlemens arena is a myth...
All arena's are the same, I adapted...
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leave the MW alone. nothing is purely stable in the game. there will always be peeps who grow sick of the LW uber cannon on uber fast rides that either RUN or HO and need a place to come to. MW is going through a dry spell just leave it be.
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HOing with 3 countries is just the same as HOing with 2? :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
A two country mid war would be great :aok
Of course there is the AVA but not many people visit.
Changing MW maps would not be a problem though becaue the AVA maps exist.
HTC really should experiment with a few new ideas like this IMO.
If there only was a way to have them listen? ? ? ?
ENY and Arena Caps are in place to level the playing field so why not have only two sides in the least used areas of AH to do the same.
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leave the MW alone. nothing is purely stable in the game. there will always be peeps who grow sick of the LW uber cannon on uber fast rides that either RUN or HO and need a place to come to. MW is going through a dry spell just leave it be.
Agreed. MW Has the most even plane set in the game.
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i have a much better idea. if you don;t like mw as it is, then leave it the frack alone. we don't need you in there.
when i manage to get online, and in there, i don;t seem to have much trouble finding decent fights...on occasion i do, but then i just go bomb the poop outta something.
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Cap, the mid war arena is full of horders and undefended base take squads like yours. Sure you can find some good fights in there but trying to find and isolate someone for that good fight is tough with so many preferring to flying in large groups instead.
I can understand how having only two countries in that arena would ruin that type of fun and the daily (sometimes twice daily) RESETS that happen there would not be so easy.
How many base captures does Satans Horde have in there so far this month ? 75-80? And thats not including all the ones you missed due to always having others follow you around taking the bases with you. That number would be in the hundreds if included in your record.
Chances are it would happen, but look how scared you people are over just the mention of it.
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ER ... would not happen
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Cap, the mid war arena is full of horders and undefended base take squads like yours. Sure you can find some good fights in there but trying to find and isolate someone for that good fight is tough with so many preferring to flying in large groups instead.
I can understand how having only two countries in that arena would ruin that type of fun and the daily (sometimes twice daily) RESETS that happen there would not be so easy.
How many base captures does Satans Horde have in there so far this month ? 75-80? And thats not including all the ones you missed due to always having others follow you around taking the bases with you. That number would be in the hundreds if included in your record.
Chances are it would happen, but look how scared you people are over just the mention of it.
i fly for the fights, although i haven't been in there for around a month or so.........kinda got tired of dealing with the lw guys./.......and going to lw doesn't solve the problem, nor does going to ew...........
just as i say concrening any squad that takes bases.......look for them...you'll find a good fihgt there
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I see it different. The folks interested in bases are the worst at wanting a fight. Everything and anything to get the base.
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just as i say concrening any squad that takes bases.......look for them...you'll find a good fihgt there
Not really ... you'll find a good gangbang fight ... 4 sets of Lancs to take down and capture a V Base ... LancStukas on CVs ... whatever it takes to sweep the map ... I think you get the picture.
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midwar =joke
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midwar =joke
But it used to be fun :aok
Back in Sept. Oct. I used to stop in and immediately switch to the low # side to lend a hand holding off the hordes. I liked it so much that I thought I would try and promote MW and was successful in attracting a few squads to visit from time to time. After awhile, as you said, it became a joke in there.
A two country MW would probably straighten things out in there....IMO
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midwar =joke
It was pretty fun in there for me this morning.
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Not really ... you'll find a good gangbang fight ... 4 sets of Lancs to take down and capture a V Base ... LancStukas on CVs ... whatever it takes to sweep the map ... I think you get the picture.
4 sets of lancs= lots of targets....and i know your gunnery is good enough to kill most of em...lancstukas...the last time i was in, i fought against a couple of em.......i think it was bi in them twice, going as you mentioned for a vbase.
as for sweeping the map, i grew out of that a little before i was out of the hg.
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NOOOOOOO you wont find a good fight there. the arena turned into WHO CAN TAKE THE MOST BASES THE FASTEST.you fly to any knit base along there'll be atleast 5 uppers .and not to fight. the 1st thing they do is check the town and why no skill i've said it plenty times Satens playmates RUINED MIDWAR.and a lot of good people dont even bother no more including myself.
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For me MW is great because I prefer lower numbers of players......45-60 peeps, 15-20 per side, playing on a small map, provides me with the most enjoyment. Late war is fun for the rare sortie into the vast hordes, and I am glad its there, but Mid War is where its at for me.
As far as VF-15 goes, fun peeps to fight with and against. I dont mind base takers or GVrs....I just dislike people thinking they have the game plan cornered and everyone else is teh suck. THAT gets extremely old.
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For me MW is great because I prefer lower numbers of players......45-60 peeps, 15-20 per side, playing on a small map, provides me with the most enjoyment. Late war is fun for the rare sortie into the vast hordes, and I am glad its there, but Mid War is where its at for me.
As far as VF-15 goes, fun peeps to fight with and against. I dont mind base takers or GVrs....I just dislike people thinking they have the game plan cornered and everyone else is teh suck. THAT gets extremely old.
KINDA like those jumping in on this and trying to tell us we have to play their way?
just for the helluv it, i went to ew today. hardly anyone there. i got meself kilt by a set of 25's.
eny was high enough i couldn't get my 38g, so i took a spit5. found a hurri about 3k above me(i was around 8k or so). he made a couple of ho passes, and then for whatever reason, he dove for the ack.......MY ACK!! :rofl :rofl
i managed to put a couple rounds in him before it kilt him.
a little after that, i;m in the spit5 again, because i think there's buffs inbound for 1......i find a spit5 about 3-5k above me. he makes 2 ho passes, then sets up for a 3rd........and i don't really have a clue what i did, or he did, but i was suddenly on his 6. now he's trying verticle scissors, going down, trying to shake me, but with decent throttle managment, i stayed in good position...popping off a few rounds here n there to see if i could spook him. he almost did cause an overshoot, but i covered it well, with veritcle, and came down about 200 behind him......but i screwed up, and was going toooo fast....so i took a chance and fired off a 1-2 second burst. i looked behind to see his wing traveling in a different direction than the rest of his plane.
then went up to the bay area near 11, and 12. ccfr did some nice gunning from his ju88's(i was in my 38g now)
he eventually got me....i think he hit the divebrakes, and i misjudged the closure, and rammed him......it cost me my 38. :rofl
now to get to the fight faster, i upped a zeek off of the cv(friggin want to stay in the 38, but takes too long to fly across the pond) i climb to about 9-10k, as the enemy had been reported at that alt. i found a familiar name at about 12-14k. same deal. he kept making ho passes, and i managed to dodge the first 3. i thinnk i technically dodged the 4th, but a bit late, as i gave him a nice hi angle deflection shot, and he removed my empanage. it was cool, as spade was there, and asked if i wanted him to stay out.....which he did<S> for that dude!
had anotyher one or two fights, and then had to log to go do work outside...which i'm going to go do more of now that it's cooled off a little.
was actually fun, although a little hard to find a fit\ght at first.
oo..i should add.......larry...in mw before that, you were in your il2........i came in with alt. made a pass, you dodged, i went over the top, to come back down at ya. it looked to me like you were nose to the ground, and i popped off a few rounds. then as i hear myself taking hits, and my wing ignited, i realized you were coming up at me.....even though i lost.....i do apologize for the ho dude......i don't normally do that.
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NOOOOOOO you wont find a good fight there. the arena turned into WHO CAN TAKE THE MOST BASES THE FASTEST.
RUINED MIDWAR.and a lot of good people dont even bother no more including myself.
yep
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KINDA like those jumping in on this and trying to tell us we have to play their way?
Nobody has tried to tell you to "play their way" in any of these post that I can see.
Watching the Knights consistently roll the Mid War has gotten old and boring, for me, so I have been spending more time in the Blue Arena.
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Nobody has tried to tell you to "play their way" in any of these post that I can see.
Watching the Knights consistently roll the Mid War has gotten old and boring, for me, so I have been spending more time in the Blue Arena.
well.......if they change it to a 2 country arena, then we'll probably end up with hordes moreso than now.
the way to fight a horde, is with your own horde. if they leave the combat area, then follow them. sooner or later they'll have to fight.
i could be wrong though. i went to ew yesterday as mentioned in my previous post.
what it actually comes down to, is that if the op doesn't like the game play in mw, then why in gods name would he want to change it? he has at least 5 other choices of arenas to fly and fight in.
if there's people in there, then in all obviousness, there are some that enjoy that game play. trying to have the arena changed to suit him, is pretty much trying to change the game play there....change it to the way HE thinks it should be. so in essence, he's simply trying to tell those 40 to 60 pile-its to play his way.
so i would have to suggest again.......if the op doesn't like the play there, then choose one of the other 5 or so options to fly and fight.
i didn't like it yesterday, so i went to another arena. really really simple. :aok
btw slap...i'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you............
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we did we moved on to late war.and the only reason i said anything in here is because ive flown MW since the split and its sad to see what it turned into. and as for you CAP your not in the game very often to see the whole picture and you dont switch to other countrys so you really are the 1 that dosent have much to say what goes on in any arena but only from what you read.
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we did we moved on to late war.and the only reason i said anything in here is because ive flown MW since the split and its sad to see what it turned into. and as for you CAP your not in the game very often to see the whole picture and you dont switch to other countrys so you really are the 1 that dosent have much to say what goes on in any arena but only from what you read.
actually, i have switched.....int he past to fly with shuffler, and akak........they're good to fly with.
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and as for anyone telling anyone how to play the game in any post you write the ho is always coming up. and that is telling people how to play as well .the ho is pretty much a part of the game and it will never change so either learn it or learn to avoid it. or move on to a different online game.
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.... so either learn it or learn to avoid it.
You mean someone actually has to "learn" to ho...... hahaha I did not know that.
The class must be short..... point nose at plane hold trigger..... here's your certificate. :)
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NOOOOOOO you wont find a good fight there.
I guess it depends whether you look hard enough. Last night I avoided the horde battle at A18 and found some nice 2v1 and 1v1 fights against Snaphook and a couple of other Bishops. The fight against the two no-named Bishops were nothing more than routine shoot them down affairs but the fights against snaphook made the evening quite enjoyable.
ack-ack
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I guess it depends whether you look hard enough. Last night I avoided the horde battle at A18 and found some nice 2v1 and 1v1 fights against Snaphook and a couple of other Bishops. The fight against the two no-named Bishops were nothing more than routine shoot them down affairs but the fights against snaphook made the evening quite enjoyable.
ack-ack
i've yet to beat him.....but it's ALWAYS a fun fight against him.
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well akak i would have to agree with you there. fighting guys like you are the best fights that can be had in in any arena but the my point is most of the time you fight 1 you fight all.
when any 1 new goes into the midwar arena thats new to the game they land up on the knights and they fly in the horde and learn what ever it takes to take a base attitude and they dont learn basic ACM.
now we get the ho's, the gangbangs whatever.i've been flying in late war and you see the same thing there.i feel the size of the mid war arena is to small for that kind of play. but hey thats fine i've chosen to stay out.
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well akak i would have to agree with you there. fighting guys like you are the best fights that can be had in in any arena but the my point is most of the time you fight 1 you fight all.
when any 1 new goes into the midwar arena thats new to the game they land up on the knights and they fly in the horde and learn what ever it takes to take a base attitude and they dont learn basic ACM.
now we get the ho's, the gangbangs whatever.i've been flying in late war and you see the same thing there.i feel the size of the mid war arena is to small for that kind of play. but hey thats fine i've chosen to stay out.
i seem to remember having what was looking like a very good 1-1 with you in p38j's.......till ya ho'd me.
and that's where i don't understand them. you are more than good enough that you don't need to rely on that move. that's why i don't understand the majority of them.....most are by people that are so far beyond the need to do it, but they do anyway.
i also remember a fight that was me vs 4 or 5 of you guys(hg) down low, between 11 and 12. that was a fun fight too.......but then that was back before you started taking this too seriously
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thats getting old CAP
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thats getting old CAP
ya.,...but dude......you're missing the point.
you're outnumbered, i understand it. you're rtb, and hurt, i understand it. but 1-1? dude, you're one of the best pile-its i know.......you don't NEED to........that's the point i'm trying to make.
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Watching the Knights consistently roll the Mid War has gotten old and boring, for me, so I have been spending more time in the Blue Arena.
hmmm........having the knights consistently roll MW means you consistently have an opponent to attack.
Also, just out of curiosity...whats going to be different in LW blue as opposed to MW...beyond the greater numbers of players? Same dweebery as always...just lots more of it, going lots faster, and shooting lots more powerful weapons. But hey.......its all good.
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yup yeager your right. but in blue you fly to 1 area then move on. i've learned the little time i've been there you never stay in 1 area to long unless your helping with a take or a defend and we all know im really not into that.and it give me time to learn new planes and get to know new people.i've flying rooks this tour and we switching next tour.
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LW Blue is where it's at now since MW has gone down. Knights rolling does not mean a fight. With more folks in Blue someomne may be rolling bases but you can find fighters elsewhere. Every once in a great while you might find fights in MW, not often anymore.
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LW Blue is where it's at now since MW has gone down. Knights rolling does not mean a fight. With more folks in Blue someomne may be rolling bases but you can find fighters elsewhere. Every once in a great while you might find fights in MW, not often anymore.
BUT ROX SAYS THE LW BLUE ARENA IS A CESSPOL OF DECADENCE AND DEBAUCHERY!
Which is actually very good, means there will be a lot of ewes of lesser morals, good beer and...No ROX and her merry band of horde harpies.
ack-ack
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LW Blue is where it's at now since MW has gone down. Knights rolling does not mean a fight. With more folks in Blue someomne may be rolling bases but you can find fighters elsewhere. Every once in a great while you might find fights in MW, not often anymore.
i'm guessing that if you're saying it too, that i'm going to have to go in there and see.
others tend to rant, but i've never known you to do that......
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The class must be short..... point nose at plane hold trigger..... here's your certificate. :)
Well there's the problem. I keep pointing my tail at the other planes!
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Well Im glad you guys are enjoying it in late war. I might pop in there and get my arse shaved and handed back to me again, just for old times sake. I do get frustrated in there thats for sure.....
Maybe fair sized population rotation out of MW will force a change in there. Time will tell.
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I personally don't find midwar any worse now then a year ago. I've been playing on all 3 countries depending on which is lowest for the last couple of months and have enjoyed it. Granted I don't fly much in midwar or any arena except the TA for the most part. I got tired of the HO's, warps, etc. just like everyone else has that's been flying in the MA's long enough. I mostly GV in midwar anymore, Ho's are exceptable in GV's :lol. I however love trying to stop the horde, sometimes by myself. I enjoy being the thorn that holds up the base take for as long as possible. So if the Knights want to try and run all the bases more power to them, I'll just try and get myself in the way and kill as many as possible before they get me, it's all fun :rock
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BigRat
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I personally don't find midwar any worse now then a year ago. I've been playing on all 3 countries depending on which is lowest for the last couple of months and have enjoyed it. Granted I don't fly much in midwar or any arena except the TA for the most part. I got tired of the HO's, warps, etc. just like everyone else has that's been flying in the MA's long enough. I mostly GV in midwar anymore, Ho's are exceptable in GV's :lol. I however love trying to stop the horde, sometimes by myself. I enjoy being the thorn that holds up the base take for as long as possible. So if the Knights want to try and run all the bases more power to them, I'll just try and get myself in the way and kill as many as possible before they get me, it's all fun :rock
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BigRat
hey dude.....how ya been?
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Doing good, no complaints here, not that anyone would listen anyway :lol Just Teaching Hogs in the TA for the most part. I really enjoy teaching though so it's how I spend a lot of my time in aces high. Don't want to hijack this thread to much so I'll quit with that :D
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BigRat
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Doing good, no complaints here, not that anyone would listen anyway :lol Just Teaching Hogs in the TA for the most part. I really enjoy teaching though so it's how I spend a lot of my time in aces high. Don't want to hijack this thread to much so I'll quit with that :D
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BigRat
tht's ok.....at least it's moving in a postive direction now.
i'm gonna hafta get in there in my 8 again. i flew last night for the first time in a month+. gunnery sucked. if i took a 38 up, so did my flying. in ew, i did ok in a spit5, but i don't want to fall back into them though. that one fight was spit vs spit though...and was fun. i thought i was gonna let my cartoon pile-it die.....but he ended up killin the other dudes cartoon pile-it. :rofl
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we did we moved on to late war.
Not that it's any of my business, but if you guys enjoy MidWar - and I agree with whomever said it has the most balanced plane set - then why are you moving on instead of fighting to keep it good?
- oldman
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My entire 41 man group will go to Mid war with no problem. Or Axis vs. Allies. We can't stand the late war arena.
Is there any way to build a culture in the mid-war? You will have the support of me and all of my guys. Just tell me what to do.
<S> To all of you trying for this.
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Not that it's any of my business, but if you guys enjoy MidWar - and I agree with whomever said it has the most balanced plane set - then why are you moving on instead of fighting to keep it good?
- oldman
OM it is everyone's business in AH. There's no fighting what I refer to as poor sportsmanship. I figure to let them deal with eachother as the regular folks leave. Sooner or later they'll get sick of eachother and leave. That will allow the MW arena to rejuvenate.
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OM it is everyone's business in AH. There's no fighting what I refer to as poor sportsmanship. I figure to let them deal with eachother as the regular folks leave. Sooner or later they'll get sick of eachother and leave. That will allow the MW arena to rejuvenate.
SHUF........
the other outlook on that? keep on fighting them, and beat them even though they try the stuff we don't like. sooner or later they;ll leave. possibly faster than if they were left alone.
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I must be the only one around here who likes the challenge of messing with the hoard. I can't remember the last time I saw a group of five people and thought "Oh boy, better avoid that!" Jump in and have some fun, and PO the guys trying to roll bases. Hell who knows, you might even find one of those "glorious fights" that so many people talk about like they are legend. Never gonna find it if ya don't attack people though.
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NOPE shuffers right let it fall
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NOPE shuffers right let it fall
No, he's not right at all. If you want to stop them, fight them. Defend the bases they are attacking. If they move off to another base, move on to that base and defend it as well. This is something that the rest of the arena has to collectively fight it to stop it. If it doesn't and everyone bails out like you, Shuff and the others, then you're just giving in and letting the squadrons you complain about reign without any resistance.
You're also wrong on the ones you blame. They aren't the sole reason for the decline as the other countries all have squadrons that behave the same and in some cases act worse and drive out players with their crappy attitude.
ack-ack
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No, he's not right at all. If you want to stop them, fight them. Defend the bases they are attacking. If they move off to another base, move on to that base and defend it as well. This is something that the rest of the arena has to collectively fight it to stop it. If it doesn't and everyone bails out like you, Shuff and the others, then you're just giving in and letting the squadrons you complain about reign without any resistance.
You're also wrong on the ones you blame. They aren't the sole reason for the decline as the other countries all have squadrons that behave the same and in some cases act worse and drive out players with their crappy attitude.
ack-ack
sshh!!
common sense. :aok
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No, he's not right at all. If you want to stop them, fight them. Defend the bases they are attacking. If they move off to another base, move on to that base and defend it as well. This is something that the rest of the arena has to collectively fight it to stop it.
Hmmm I'm not flying MW enough to be able to judge... but if MW starts to follow EW's path, that proposal might be difficult to implement. Very lopsided numbers, like 12 players on one country vs 0-3 on the others each. Now when I started to fight the grab horde they just attacked the other outnumbered country. So I had to switch to fight them again, but they just changed back to their original target and I was stuck on the wrong country. No fight for me, no fight and a lot of base captures for them...
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No, he's not right at all. If you want to stop them, fight them. Defend the bases they are attacking. If they move off to another base, move on to that base and defend it as well.
My time on AH is very limited lately, do I want to go into the sandbox and deal with that crap or would I rather attempt to find a decent fight in another place?
Heck, I'm almost happy some of the nitwits have confined themselves to flying Tempests in the DA. That is one less self proclaimed and self diagnosing proctologist I have to run into during my short time on AH.
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The problem with the low numbers in Early War is not from the game play that goes on in there, it's from the lack of any real planes in that time period. If anyone is in a fighter, 9 out of 10 times they'll be in a Hurricane. The game play is a result of the low numbers, no one was in there to offer any resistance so the 'tards moved in. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the EW's biggest enemy is the planeset. Add more EW planes into the mix and you'll see more people come in and then you'll see a population that rivals the Mid War's.
Mid-War is fortunate because it has by far the most matched plane set of any arena and the population is large enough that it can effectively police itself and have a major influence over the game play. Because people are leaving instead of sticking around and fighting, the community loses this strength and is too weak to make any sort of impact and the few then dictate the game play.
The SOARs awhile back tried to bring their 'EW game play' into the MW arena and used the same lame style they perfected while milk running in Early War. Each time they did, they pretty much got trounced and in most cases by a lone defender. After awhile, they stopped trying and you rarely see more than one or two of them in the arena at any given time and never see anymore of their 'tardesque squadron tactics and timid fighting.
As Commander Peter Quincy Taggart once said on the bridge of his ship, "Never give up! Never surrender!"
ack-ack
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My time on AH is very limited lately, do I want to go into the sandbox and deal with that crap or would I rather attempt to find a decent fight in another place?
Heck, I'm almost happy some of the nitwits have confined themselves to flying Tempests in the DA. That is one less self proclaimed and self diagnosing proctologist I have to run into during my short time on AH.
You're also the type of player that doesn't really call any one arena their "home" and usually goes where the fight is. So whether or not you stick around or move onto another arena isn't really going to change the community dynamic within the Mid War population. Like a transient population. For players like Lazydog that did make Mid War their "home" and them leaving because of the game play does affect the Mid War community dynamics by shifting the pendulum in the 'tard behavior zone because there is now one less member of Mid War that will be there to fight. Soon, it will be empty like the Early War but the only difference is that in the Mid War, the Mid War community let it happen.
ack-ack
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The SOARs awhile back tried to bring their 'EW game play' into the MW arena and used the same lame style they perfected while milk running in Early War. Each time they did, they pretty much got trounced and in most cases by a lone defender. After awhile, they stopped trying and you rarely see more than one or two of them in the arena at any given time and never see anymore of their 'tardesque squadron tactics and timid fighting.
That is the big difference between the two of us; you see the community within AH as something you can beat into submission and I do not. Instead, I've found that people are far more maeliable not only when they approach you but also when they are outside the influence of their peers.
Until HTC changes the base gameplay, like implementing 'zone eny', there is little you and I can do about it.
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That is the big difference between the two of us; you see the community within AH as something you can beat into submission and I do not. Instead, I've found that people are far more maeliable not only when they approach you but also when they are outside the influence of their peers.
Until HTC changes the base gameplay, like implementing 'zone eny', there is little you and I can do about it.
I don't see the community as something you can 'beat into submission', I just don't see running away and sticking ones head in the sand as a remedy to whatever game play issues there may be in Mid War. I also believe that in some cases, like what is happening in Mid War, is something the MW community should resolve on their own instead of turning tail and running off to another arena.
ack-ack
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trust me i've tried to rally both bish and the rooks to fight the problem and normally what happens i'm left alone trying to fight the horde and the bish and rook go off on the other side of the map and fight each other.heck i've even tried to go into LW to recruit people to help and no would bother.and akak you yourself would even fly the knights when the #'s were high not sure why im not sure and im not going to guess why .all i know is when they pick a field to hit the entire knight roster is in the mission and just a couple defenders well they dont stand a chance while guys like farticus ,alpha81,crossbns,and sometimes even akak (before you quit the game) doing the covering.and the funny thing is guys go into midwar and for a short time the knights are the low #S side because of that they go knights saying they only fly low number side well thats bull too because it never stays that way and well aware of the way MW is that just makes it worst. and the way i see it the only sqaud that goes in there and makes a differance are the class acts.
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trust me i've tried to rally both bish and the rooks to fight the problem and normally what happens i'm left alone trying to fight the horde and the bish and rook go off on the other side of the map and fight each other.heck i've even tried to go into LW to recruit people to help and no would bother.and akak you yourself would even fly the knights when the #'s were high not sure why im not sure and im not going to guess why .all i know is when they pick a field to hit the entire knight roster is in the mission and just a couple defenders well they dont stand a chance while guys like farticus ,alpha81,crossbns,and sometimes even akak (before you quit the game) doing the covering.and the funny thing is guys go into midwar and for a short time the knights are the low #S side because of that they go knights saying they only fly low number side well thats bull too because it never stays that way and well aware of the way MW is that just makes it worst. and the way i see it the only sqaud that goes in there and makes a differance are the class acts.
QUOTE:: My entire 41 man group will go to Mid war with no problem. Or Axis vs. Allies. We can't stand the late war arena.
Is there any way to build a culture in the mid-war? You will have the support of me and all of my guys. Just tell me what to do.
<S> To all of you trying for this.::END QUOTE
Did you not read this? it's quoted from slyguy
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hmmm........having the knights consistently roll MW means you consistently have an opponent to attack.
Also, just out of curiosity...whats going to be different in LW blue as opposed to MW...beyond the greater numbers of players? Same dweebery as always...just lots more of it, going lots faster, and shooting lots more powerful weapons. But hey.......its all good.
Yes, you do have opponents to attack, but dealing with 5 v 1 on a consistent basis gets old and for me, it's just not that fun.
As pointed out by LazyDog ... the real estate in Blue allows one to move around on the map to find smaller conflicts (away from the horde) and have some decent fights.
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I went into MW last night. Was a decent fight low by one of our bases for awhile. Then a small squad showed up that takes pride in either Hoing or running. One of the guys in that squad, who is mediocre at best, said on open channel that it is good they were killing the bish 2000 feet off the bish runway so they didn't have so far to fly to the fight.
Some folks, and even whole squads, are afraid of the fight. They Ho or run.
I went to LW and had some fun for the evening. Even though it was TT. It is much better when it is not TT.
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the midwar is a great place for fights. the number are low and you can usually get some good fights out of the deal. i find it a very fun arena. at times it has its drawbacks and annoyances but for the most part, its a great place. the players in there are top notch and dedicated to having a good time. there are a few players that are less then fun to be around but thats part of the game.
we enjoy playing the lower numbers and thoroughly enjoy tearing up hordes. we try to get people to fight but sometimes they have other ideas, and thats ok too. thats all part of the game.
last night our guys were getting tore up 3 and 4 V 1's , which occationally happens. we managed to spank them a bit and all was good in the midwar.
<S> to all that play the midwar arena. keep up the good work and the fun!
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No, he's not right at all. If you want to stop them, fight them. Defend the bases they are attacking. If they move off to another base, move on to that base and defend it as well. This is something that the rest of the arena has to collectively fight it to stop it. If it doesn't and everyone bails out like you, Shuff and the others, then you're just giving in and letting the squadrons you complain about reign without any resistance.
You're also wrong on the ones you blame. They aren't the sole reason for the decline as the other countries all have squadrons that behave the same and in some cases act worse and drive out players with their crappy attitude.
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ack-ack ... we have know each other for quite some time now and you know me very well when it comes to "fighting" ... but getting consistently ganged and picked does not work for me.
I haven't flown Knights in months (could be 6 months or more now) due to the fact that they embraced the "win the warz" attitude. So, I fly either Bish or Rook depending upon the numbers. There was a time that each of these countries had a handful of players that would oppose and for the most part, could successfully fight back.
Currently, that is not the case. Some will up and in a very short period of time (after dealing with multi v 1) stop upping and move elsewhere where the odds aren't so stacked against them or just end up logging off. Next thing you know, you look around and your all by yourself. That gets old for me real quick.
Defend ... well here is a typical scenario that I run into. You see a V base is being attacked (a favorite target due to how easy they are to shutdown and capture). You up a fighter (and maybe a couple of guys follow) and arrive at the V base to see 3 or 4 sets of low NOE Lancs carpet bombing the base to oblivion with a few covering fighters (or 110s). So you work the fighters and clear them. Meanwhile, if we did get a couple of GVs out before the hangers go down, the loitering Lancs dispose of them. Once that happens the Lancs will most likey bail and then spawn in as M3s and it's near impossible to dispatch them all ... tons of fun there.
The bottom line ... as I said before, there use to be a handful of players on the Bish and Rooks that could successfully defend and would continue to up to defend but for whatever reason(s) ... they aren't around anymore. Yeah you'll get a couple of people to up with you, but after they have been spanked a few times, they don't up anymore. Next thing you know your by yourself trying to take on 6 guys at various alts so if you engage after wheels up, you will get picked quickly ... for me, that gets very old, very fast. It's at this point that I log and go to the Blue arena.
Don't get me wrong, I haven't given up on MW all together. I always log in there first to see who's on, what's going on, and give it go. If things are balanced (and fun) I stay ... if I see that the Knights have twice as many people as the opposing teams and see that they are "rolling" ... I log and go straight to Blue.
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ack-ack ... we have know each other for quite some time now and you know me very well when it comes to "fighting" ... but getting consistently ganged and picked does not work for me.
I haven't flown Knights in months (could be 6 months or more now) due to the fact that they embraced the "win the warz" attitude. So, I fly either Bish or Rook depending upon the numbers. There was a time that each of these countries had a handful of players that would oppose and for the most part, could successfully fight back.
Currently, that is not the case. Some will up and in a very short period of time (after dealing with multi v 1) stop upping and move elsewhere where the odds aren't so stacked against them or just end up logging off. Next thing you know, you look around and your all by yourself. That gets old for me real quick.
Defend ... well here is a typical scenario that I run into. You see a V base is being attacked (a favorite target due to how easy they are to shutdown and capture). You up a fighter (and maybe a couple of guys follow) and arrive at the V base to see 3 or 4 sets of low NOE Lancs carpet bombing the base to oblivion with a few covering fighters (or 110s). So you work the fighters and clear them. Meanwhile, if we did get a couple of GVs out before the hangers go down, the loitering Lancs dispose of them. Once that happens the Lancs will most likey bail and then spawn in as M3s and it's near impossible to dispatch them all ... tons of fun there.
The bottom line ... as I said before, there use to be a handful of players on the Bish and Rooks that could successfully defend and would continue to up to defend but for whatever reason(s) ... they aren't around anymore. Yeah you'll get a couple of people to up with you, but after they have been spanked a few times, they don't up anymore. Next thing you know your by yourself trying to take on 6 guys at various alts so if you engage after wheels up, you will get picked quickly ... for me, that gets very old, very fast. It's at this point that I log and go to the Blue arena.
Don't get me wrong, I haven't given up on MW all together. I always log in there first to see who's on, what's going on, and give it go. If things are balanced (and fun) I stay ... if I see that the Knights have twice as many people as the opposing teams and see that they are "rolling" ... I log and go straight to Blue.
dude....i don't get in much anymore(own my own shop which is like having 2 jobs, and work a part time job on top of that....plus i do a lot in CAP)...but if you check in there, and see me, pm.....we can go off somehwere where there's no hordes, and have some fun fights..........
as for the attackers going from attacking ne country to attacking another..........one of the last times i was in there, there was no one fighting the knights. there was however, a nice cv battle going on between the rooks and bish....so i went there, as it was within 2 sectors of the closest knight base....and that's where i ended up with some fun fights too.
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dude....i don't get in much anymore(own my own shop which is like having 2 jobs, and work a part time job on top of that....plus i do a lot in CAP)...but if you check in there, and see me, pm.....we can go off somehwere where there's no hordes, and have some fun fights..........
Sounds good.
as for the attackers going from attacking ne country to attacking another..........one of the last times i was in there, there was no one fighting the knights. there was however, a nice cv battle going on between the rooks and bish....so i went there, as it was within 2 sectors of the closest knight base....and that's where i ended up with some fun fights too.
No one was fighting them because it's always lopsided when trying to oppose them ... so they (Rooks or Bish) go to the other front and fight each other and at times, you can find some good skirmishes ... if there aren't any goods fights on that front, that's when I will move to Blue.
So, while Rooks and Bish are duking it out ... the Knights roll the map all by themselves, which I really don't have a problem with ... they can reset a map a day for all I care ... they are just gonna have to "fun" all by themselves and if that floats their boat ... go for it.
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slyguy what sqaud are you in?
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Sounds good.
No one was fighting them because it's always lopsided when trying to oppose them ... so they (Rooks or Bish) go to the other front and fight each other and at times, you can find some good skirmishes ... if there aren't any goods fights on that front, that's when I will move to Blue.
So, while Rooks and Bish are duking it out ... the Knights roll the map all by themselves, which I really don't have a problem with ... they can reset a map a day for all I care ... they are just gonna have to "fun" all by themselves and if that floats their boat ... go for it.
well, to be honest, the time i mentioned, the battle was raging between a bish cv and rook A46. i was trying to pick. i suck at picking.
what DID happen though, was that i ran into cobia, or snaphook(o forget which one) in his a20, co alt tl me. THEY were some fun fights. i had 3 or 4 against him, and lost each one, but he's one helluva pile-it. i did manage to put a few rounds in him, but as soon as i forced that shot, i realized i shouldn't have...and that is what cost me that particular fight.
i came back looking for him up there with me, and i found him down low, trying to finish off one of the defenders, with another saddling up on him. that was a successful pick.....i cleared his 6. :D
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slyguy what sqaud are you in?
now you're gettin the idea dude.
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slyguy what sqaud are you in?
I just started the +V+ Hades Angels. I used to run the ^V^ Screaming Devils since Air Warrior III until I left Aces High a few years back for a while. My brother and long time XO oDALLASo inherited the squad. *V* Devils Rejects fly with us too to make up the Triple Alliance.
Like a lot of folks we're trying to find our way to a more balanced war. And by war I don't mean cheesy hordes full of 1945 planes. I mean a quality map, sensible plane set, and players that are more into the WWII combat experience than their Space Invaders score.
The only thing that stops us from committing to mid war is that our numbers would tip the scales too heavily and ruin everyone's fun. It would have to be done sensibly. We wouldn't be there to grief everyone. But I am all for mid war. It's the plane set that made the air war famous for Pete's sake. For instance, how many people in late war rush to a D-9 without getting their hands on a real "Butcher Bird" and experiencing the joys of being competitive with it?
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stopped into the MWA over the weekend and had some great fights. No question that some of the same issues that led to the demise of the CT are now present but with three countries you can usually find an intersting fight. I've only seen one time with all 3 sides "steam rolling" empty map...
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stopped into the MWA over the weekend and had some great fights. No question that some of the same issues that led to the demise of the CT are now present but with three countries you can usually find an intersting fight. I've only seen one time with all 3 sides "steam rolling" empty map...
Yeah every time I've gone in there I've gotten into good fights. It was nice to have a real conflict without 1945 planes or, "fun busters" as I call them, running everything over.
What days/times is the mid war arena the most active? I wouldn't even mind playing whichever country needs the numbers to keep things balanced until people started seeing that something is going on there.
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Fighting the hord in MW is no big deal, i actually enjoy it sometimes. its a great tool for learning SA
making it a 2 side arena wont change a thing. people will allways do what they want so why try to control them,just find a way around them instead. ie pork ther troops/ord.
if aint broke dont fix it, it just needs a good stirring up thats all
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I found the MW arena to be lots of fun. Seems just 2 countries fight so I switch to the one that has the least amount of players.
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The only thing that stops us from committing to mid war is that our numbers would tip the scales too heavily and ruin everyone's fun. It would have to be done sensibly. We wouldn't be there to grief everyone.
First, you must have a very strange squad if you can regularly get 41 players on at the same time. Most squads, even if they have a full roster, only muster 10-16 at a time.
That being said, there are a lot of things you can do if you are worried about "balancing" the arena. All it takes is a little discipline and a conscientious attitude.
First suggestion: Put your wings on different countries. Fighting your friends is usually as much if not more fun than fighting complete strangers. If your total on-line numbers are small, congregating on one country won't be a problem -- but just switch one of your wings if you become a cause of ENY restrictions.
Second suggestion: If your squad ends up being a dominating force on the country you are in, split yourselves into separate strike teams of 4-6 and set out in different directions. Do not come to each other’s aid unless one of the strike forces finds itself outnumbered in either the attack or defense. This will keep you from overwhelming a single area, and more fun will be had by all.
Third suggestion: If you decide to do a more massive op, don’t use the heavy bomber formations. Only use jabos or single bomber/attack type aircraft (B-25H, A-20). Suggestion 3a is to announce on 200 that 18 Devils/Angels are going to take field Axx unless someone stops you, giving the defense time to organize a few uppers and generating a somewhat winnable (i.e. fun) fight. 3b would be to decide to never shut down a field to take it. 3c, if you have the guts for it, is to agree to not only leave the base functional, but do not take down the ack, either.
If it comes to pass that you really are the dominant group in terms of numbers in the arena, you could also divvy yourselves up to each country and declare a no-take day. Do nothing but defend bases from the milk-runners. Important – don’t spy (that would be unsportsmanlike), but defend any flashing base against any attack, and see if you really can shut them all down.
You could also split off about 25% to 33% of your numbers to a different country, call them the “spoilers”, and see if they can hold a base against the rest of you. Rotate the spoilers on a week to week basis.
Bottom line, if MW is the arena you will feel the most comfortable in, there is NO REASON to avoid it, and plenty of ways to make it fun and interesting without griefing it or ruining anyone’s fun. After a time if/when numbers build (ask anyone who likes the AvA how numbers can both snowball and melt away), and the MWA regularly has a higher population, splitting yourselves may no longer be necessary (although it may still be the best fun you will find).
My unsolicited $0.02
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Hey E25 :salute I didn't say we have 41 on at the same time. We have 41 or so total. We have at least 10 on every night usually, on our better nights we have between 12-17 sometimes a lot more when it's a great showing. That's not a huge number, but to the MW it sure is. That's = the current total population or more from what I've happened to see in there at relatively active times. That's an ENY killer the second we hop in for whichever country we are on. That's what I initially meant.
I can see your point on the not using heavy bomber formations because, assuming ENY takes 110G-2 out, only the A-5 really stands a chance at bringing those bombers down in a likely fashion. I would be fine with JU-88's though. Speed is competitive even thought their defense is bad.
I agree with you on your philosophy. Sometimes people can "make" their own fun and there's nothing wrong with that. It just takes like minds.
I like your suggestions. Unfortunately they seem a bit too advanced for the average player to really take in. I'll certainly take them into consideration though.