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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: PFactorDave on May 23, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
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Jaguar71
22:04:34 Departed from Field #77 in a Fw 190A-5
22:06:52 Shot down a Fw 190A-5 flown by easy8.
22:06:53 Shot down a Fw 190A-5 flown by txmom.
22:06:53 Shot down a Fw 190A-5 flown by coral.
22:06:53 Shot down a Fw 190A-5 flown by chaos.
22:07:39 Arrived Safely at Field #77
22:07:41 Departed from Field #77 in a Fw 190A-5
22:51:17 Helps Bomagg shoot down Hajo.
22:51:21 Was shot down by Fencer.
But at least he made the leader board! :rofl
Top 10 Pilots (Kills)
Fedral 8
Gorkle 5
Jaguar71 4
DREDIOCK 4
Angel 4
Rifle12 4
GlassJaw 4
Saxman 4
slimmer 4
Stage2 4
Just one more and he would have been an ace in a single sortie! Sort of... :rofl
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Haha,
Fencer should have let him go...He was doing fine for the Allies on his own... :uhoh
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[edit] Whoops wrong guy, well he was shooting at me that time.. :)
Oh and Stampf, you guys are stalking us. Tell Choppit that we are going to bill him for ramming Gavagai's B-26! :lol
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:lol
Payment in Reichsmarks ok?
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Some of you had Mk 108s in those G-14s?
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Some of you had Mk 108s in those G-14s?
Ja, I fell asleep and no one woke me up here, so I missed the flight... :furious , But some of the guys had planned on loading the 108.
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Did he kill them on the runway? Or after they had allready upped? because I shot down txmom's 190 aswell, she must have re-upped
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:lol
Payment in Reichsmarks ok?
Just fine, we intend to see Berlin from the air and the ground before the war is over. :aok
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Did he kill them on the runway? Or after they had allready upped? because I shot down txmom's 190 aswell, she must have re-upped
Look at the timing.. probably shot them up on the runway and they either blew up or crashed after takeoff to replane. From the timing I bet blown up on the runway.
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There were seveal friendly fire incidents on both sides this time.
Here's one airborne :rofl Poor 68 Dummy
68SLIKjr
22:03:56 Departed from Field #14 in a B-24J
22:33:11 Helps 68Shrike shoot down Wappo.
22:35:40 Shot down a B-24J flown by 68Dummy.
22:35:41 Shot down a B-24J flown by 68Dummy.
22:35:45 Helps 68Puma shoot down jtwhooo.
22:36:11 Shot down a B-24J flown by 68Dummy.
22:47:19 Shot down a Fw 190A-5 flown by Thawk.
22:51:37 Destroyed a figher hangar at base #70
23:16:02 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by snaphook.
23:28:13 Was shot down by Rifle12.
He also made #1
Top Pilots: Kills
68SLIKjr (!68th Lightning Lancers!): 5
AKKuya (Arabian Knights): 4
Ponyace (Marine Air Group 7): 3
tf15pin (~~~THE UNFORGIVEN~~~): 3
Vlkyrie1 (5th Air Force): 3
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Did he kill them on the runway? Or after they had allready upped? because I shot down txmom's 190 aswell, she must have re-upped
Itchy trigger finger on the runway... I am sure some of us will not let him forget it either
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Oh and Stampf, you guys are stalking us. Tell Choppit that we are going to bill him for ramming Gavagai's B-26! :lol
Apparently I blew his tail off and then lagged into the wreckage, thats what the film recorded. Either way I lagged into one of Gavagai's drones, it has been the death of me in many frames :cry
BTW <S> guys, that was the tightest formation I saw in the 3 frames.
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There were seveal friendly fire incidents on both sides this time.
Here's one airborne :rofl Poor 68 Dummy
68SLIKjr
22:03:56 Departed from Field #14 in a B-24J
22:33:11 Helps 68Shrike shoot down Wappo.
22:35:40 Shot down a B-24J flown by 68Dummy.
22:35:41 Shot down a B-24J flown by 68Dummy.
22:35:45 Helps 68Puma shoot down jtwhooo.
22:36:11 Shot down a B-24J flown by 68Dummy.
22:47:19 Shot down a Fw 190A-5 flown by Thawk.
22:51:37 Destroyed a figher hangar at base #70
23:16:02 Shot down a Bf 109G-2 flown by snaphook.
23:28:13 Was shot down by Rifle12.
He also made #1
Top Pilots: Kills
68SLIKjr (!68th Lightning Lancers!): 5
AKKuya (Arabian Knights): 4
Ponyace (Marine Air Group 7): 3
tf15pin (~~~THE UNFORGIVEN~~~): 3
Vlkyrie1 (5th Air Force): 3
I saw this one also. There were a few more we had last night. These pilots ribbon racks will get a little larger with the Bravo-Foxtrot addition.
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Checked my films and 68Dummy flew under 68slickjr just as jr released his bombs.
Ever see that ww2 film of the B24 wings folding up and exploding?
Well that was the result times 3 :)
Fog of war. Just like real life.
<S> mk
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Checked my films and 68Dummy flew under 68slickjr just as jr released his bombs.
Ever see that ww2 film of the B24 wings folding up and exploding?
Well that was the result times 3 :)
Fog of war. Just like real life.
<S> mk
Oh cool! I'd love to see that if you could clip out the fun part and post it!
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Ever see that ww2 film of the B24 wings folding up and exploding?
Most agree that it was a direct hit from flack that took that B24 down. Not friendly fire.
Oh cool! I'd love to see that if you could clip out the fun part and post it!
Im sorry but its neither cool nor fun to watch a bomber go down with all of its crew.
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Most agree that it was a direct hit from flack that took that B24 down. Not friendly fire.
Im sorry but its neither cool nor fun to watch a bomber go down with all of its crew.
Lighten up...this is a game.
shamus
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No, this isn't a game its a forum, and I wasn't talking anything about a game. I was talking about someone thinking its 'fun' to watch a bomber crew fall to earth with no hope.
How about you think before typing.
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...I was talking about someone thinking its 'fun' to watch a bomber crew fall to earth with no hope.
How about you think before typing.
He's talking about the "Real Life" event, and I agree on that part 110% Anyone that thinks those gun camera films which show the last seconds of a persons life are cool, is just plain disturbed and need an education.
Now game wise, I have seen some of the coolest Air to Air kills in films and stills. But that's game and it's okay to be cool viewing ones virtual demise.
:salute
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No, this isn't a game its a forum, and I wasn't talking anything about a game. I was talking about someone thinking its 'fun' to watch a bomber crew fall to earth with no hope.
How about you think before typing.
Uh... Larry.... I was asking to see a film clip from last nights FSO... You know, the game. Not the real piece of WW2 footage, I've seen it before many many times before and agree that that was a terrible thing.
I only asked because I have never seen a bomb hit another aircraft in mid air in the game. I think the lighten up was in order in this case.
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I only asked because I have never seen a bomb hit another aircraft in mid air in the game.
Iv never seen it before and didn't even think it was possible. That's why I thought you were talking about the real life camera footage.
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Iv never seen it before and didn't even think it was possible. That's why I thought you were talking about the real life camera footage.
All the more reason why I hope he will post the AH2 film of it, I'd really like to see it.
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I have seen it once in game. The guy who dropped them lost a drone as well because of proximity. It gets a WTF from the guy it happens to. In real life, there is footage of a B17 out of position and looses its right horizontal stabilizer. You can see the bomb stream passing. It was only a matter of feet from hitting the fuselage. Not sure if they made it or not, but would guess they probably had to bail.
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Someone posted a film once of when they took out a Lancaster by dropping bombs on it from a Bf-110 or Ju-88 (can't remember which it was).
Ironically, that tactic was one of the Corsair's original purposes.
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Heinz Knoke developed and tested a tactic of bombing US buffs from Bf 109s with limited success. It was not adopted as doctrine though due to the difficulties involved.
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It has been posted before. Must have been perfect alignment to get all 3 with a bomb drop. Definitely worth seeing that shot. Can't say it won't happen to us but whenever we drop external fuel tanks or bombs we warn to check that there isn't anyone below you before dropping.
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Heinz Knoke developed and tested a tactic of bombing US buffs from Bf 109s with limited success. It was not adopted as doctrine though due to the difficulties involved.
Knoke and his friend Dieter Gerhard worked long and hard on the theory of air-to-air bombing. However, Gerhard was shot down & killed before they were able to test it, so Knoke tried it himself.
This is from March 22nd, 1943.
JG11 was stationed at Jever at this time.
"1424 hours: alert sounds.
Blast! Once again there is no time for our aircraft to be bombed-up. The Americans are coming in from over the sea. They have assembled as usual in the same map reference sector Dora-Dora off Great Yarmouth.
Seven minutes later we receive the orders to land. The enemy have turned about and are now heading back in a westerly direction. Well they return?
After landing, the aircraft are refuelled immediately, with the pilots standing by. Another alert must be anticipated. The intentions of the enemy are never obvious, as they are in the havit of altering course all the time.
I have a 250kg high-explosive bomb slung at top speed under my plane. But in the meantime we are ordered to take off, and I am not yet ready to go.
"Flight Sergeant Wenneckers is to take over command." I have the word passed down the line of aircraft.
Wenneckers Waves his hand. He has understood, and rolls down the runway. The others follow. The Staffel leaves the field in close formation.
Sweating mechanics work feverishly under the belly of my Gustav. I remain strapped to my seat, fuming with impatience.
"come on, come on; hurry, hurry!"
The staffel disappears, climbing in the direction of the sea. The Yanks have crossed the coast of Holland.
"Ready!"
My weighted plane rumbles awkwardly down to the far end of the runway. With the bomb I cannot take off downwind.
Turning at the perimeter of the field, my aircraft suddenly lists heavily to port.
A tire has burst.
I fire off a red signal flare. My men over at the flight dispersal point have understood. Twenty or thirty of them pile into a truck, which comes racing over to me. The left wing is lifted up on powerful backs, and the wheel is changed in a matter of seconds, with the engine still running.
"All clear!" They scatter. I open the throttle, start rolling with gathering speed, and then the crate again begins to list to port. I manage to pull it off the ground, however, after a run of some 600 feet, and clear the roof of #2 Hangar by a few inches.
I climb at full throttle up into the cloudless sky, heading out to sea. Overhead are the vapor trails left by our own aircraft and the Yanks. They are already engaged in combat.
22,000 feet: my plane reacts sluggishly under the infernally heavy load. It climbs wearily up to 30,000 feet, taking 25 minutes to do so.
The Yanks have bombed Wilhelmshaven, as I can tell from the smoke and fires below. They are over Heligoland on the return flight now.
I edge forward slowly until I am over the tip of the enemy formation, which consists entirely of Fortresses. For several minutes I am under fire from below, while I take a very rough sort of aim on my target, weaving and dipping each wing-tip alternately in order to see the formation below. Two or three holes appear in my left wing.
I fuse the bomb, take final aim, and press the release button on my stick. My bomb goes hurtling down, I watch it fall, and bank steeply as I break away.
Then it explodes, exactly in the center of a row of Fortresses. A wing breaks off one of them, and two others plunge away in alarm.
Twenty miles west of Heligoland my third heavy bomber crashes into the sea. There is no sign of fire. It is followed by the torn wing fluttering down like an autumn leaf.
The bomb has registered a hit. Not only on the Fortresses, but also, it seems, on our own higher brass.
Immediately after landing I am ordered to report to the Geschwaderkommodore. He himself was in the air at the time, and observed the crash of the Fortress.
"Good Lord, Knoke, you must do that again with your whole Staffel!"
"That is my intention, sir."
"Do you believe that it will work?"
I am not too certain. "Today could have just been a fluke, sir; but perhaps we can bring down some more of the heavy babies this way"
Then Colonel Henschel telephones. "I am delighted, my dear Knoke. That was a magnificent show. Must congratulate you." He bleats away happily and sounds quite worked up. I hope his monocle will not fall into his cup of cocoa in the excitement.
The North Sea coastal area of Germany must have its little sensation!
Least fuss is made in the Staffel. I find all this excitement over bringing down one single bomber rather absurd. Firstly, anybody could have dropped the bomb. Secondly, the original idea was not mine, but Dieter's. Thirdly, I have eight holes in my own plane where it was hit.
During the night I am awakened by the telephone ringing at my bedside. It is the station switchboard.
"sir, there is a top-priority call from you from the OKL"
"What! For me?"
A Major is at the other end, on the Staff of Reichsmarschall Goering. "You brought down an enemy aircraft today by bombing it, did you not?"
"Yes sir"
I am asked for complete details: What type of bomb? What kind of fuse? How exactly had I carried out the attack? And just what had been the result?
"Who issued the order for this bombing operation?"
"No one, sir, I acted on my own initiative."
There is a silence. For the first time it occurs to me that I was never authorized to lay so much as an egg on the head of the wretched Yank, and so they might consider that I had acted in an exceedingly high-handed manner.
Then the Major comes back on the line:
"I am putting you through to the Reichsmarschall."
This is the shock of my life!
I lie rigid, stiffening in bed to a horizontal position of attention, to report: "Leutnant Knoke here, Staffelkapitaen of 5./JG11"
" I am delighted over the initiative you have displayed. I want personally to express to you my particular appreciation."
And that is that.
So there we have a full-fledged Prussian Leutnant in the Luftwaffe talking to his Commander-in-Chief while lying in bed wearing nothing but a pajama jacket. Incredible! If the Old Man only knew! Iam not even wearing the trousers: the tight elastic irritates me. I cannot help laughing at the thought as I turn over again."
I think this is the Bf 109G-1 that Knoke was flying at the time. In this picture the bomb rack has been traded in for the new WGr 21 rockets.
(http://www.heinzknokewebsite.com/Images/109G43_IIJG11m_V3050.jpg)
The B-17 that Knoke destroyed (http://www.heinzknokewebsite.com/My-Site/Victory_5.htm)
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The clip of the B24 you mentioned was shown on one of the Gun Camera episodes today on Military Channel. They said it could have been a bomb, but Ive read numerous accounts of it in fact being a direct hit by flak.
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If you search the FSO forum for bomb on bomber messages, you'll find some by Daddog and Filth. Over the years, in game, we've had a number of air-to-air kills of bombers by our own. The most recent one I remember was the 332nd glide and skip bombing a CV group. Daddog, Kansas and another dog were attacking and kansas came under DD as he dropped and kansas went boom.
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Funnily enough filth got killed by a squaddie this round again - I blame it on his queue jumping kill stealing tactics :D
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231683.0.html is the one I was thinking of, but it was cowboy and not kansas.
Here's another mid-air bomber kill thread
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,216867.0.html
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Some of you had Mk 108s in those G-14s?
Some did, but not me. I can't hit the broad side of a BUFF with taters, so I only had the usual 20mm and 2 x 13mm when we traded deaths, Gavagai...
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22:43:35 Shot down a B-26B flown by gavagai.
22:43:35 Was shot down by gavagai.
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Tail guns on the B-26 are deadly bino. :P