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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: funked on January 29, 2000, 10:09:00 PM
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Well we've got a Navy fighter (Shiden-Kai), let's have an Army fighter!
Show me the Shoki!
(http://www.totavia.com/~ACybriw/aviapix/Fighters/Tojo/KY-fr052_shoki_tojo.jpg)
Nakajima Ki-44-IIb
Powerplant: One Nakajima Ha-109 (Type 2) fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radial rated at 1520 hp for takeoff, 1440 hp at 7055 feet, and 1320 hp at 17,220 feet.
Performance: Maximum speed 376 mph at 17,060 feet. An altitude of 16,405 feet could be reached in 4 min 17 sec. Service ceiling was 36,745 feet, and the maximum range was 1056 miles.
Weights: 4643 lbs empty, 6094 pounds loaded.
Dimensions: Wingspan 31 feet 0 1/16 inches, length 28 feet 9 7/8 inches, height 10 feet 8 inches, wing area 161.458 square feet.
Armament: two fuselage mounted 12.7-mm Type I (Ho-103) machine guns and two wing mounted 12.7 mm Type I (Ho-103) machine guns.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 01-29-2000).]
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Yes Man!
This is my favorite Japanese fighter!
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Agreed. This would make an excellent addition to the current plane set. Not too great a turner, not overwhelming guns, excellent climb, decent speed (slow by AH standards, but not bad).
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double post.
[This message has been edited by dolomite (edited 01-30-2000).]
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Was this known to the Allies as the Tojo? I think it was, I'm at work and don't have my books.
Read some interesting books on encounters of B29's over Tokyo and Tojo's attacking them.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
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(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Defected~)
"There is no reason anyone would
want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and
founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977
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Yes Tojo was the US nickname.
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What I've read on it kinda reminds me of a 190 A-4 with a better climb and softer punch.
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I've always wanted to do a Ki-44. It would be a hoot with those super low velocity 40mms. But we'll probably do a Zero first and for an Army plane, I'd be more partial to a Ki-100 first so that we can recycle it into a Ki-61.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid."
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ohhhhhhh......
Did he say Ki-100? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
Dicta Verm: "Never give the suckers an even break!" or translated "Never engage without an advantage"
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Originally posted by wells:
Yes Man!
This is my favorite Japanese fighter!
Heya Wells! What're ya doing in AH? Looking fer me in another HA again? nyuk-nyuk-nyuk
Yeah, I think the Nips need a couple more AC too.
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O.E. 'Tern' Dillon
"Live to Fly! Fly to Fight! Fight to Live!"
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Pyro I would settle for the Ki-61 and Ki-100. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I see what you mean about the recycling - pretty much the same plane from the firewall aft.
I guess I still have that RPS mindset though, looking for a Ki-44 in 1942 to lay the smackdown on the Flying Tigers. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hmmm... where did I put that Bearcat chant? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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SnakeEyes
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=4th Fighter Group=
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Yes!
Ki-100! Slightly slower than Ki-61, better maneuverability, better vision (in later variants), cannons!
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Don't get too excited SnakeEyes.
Both the Ki-61 and the Ki-100 had inferior performance to the Ki-44-II. And IMHO they are not nearly as good looking. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The 40mm cannon on the Ki-44-IIc was quite a rare installation. Most of the IIc's had 4 x 20mm. IIa had 2 x 12.7 mm and 2 x 7.7 mm, IIb (major production variant) had 4 x 12.7 mm.
But there were about twice as many Ki-61/100 built as there were Ki-44, so I guess that's why we'll see it here.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 01-31-2000).]
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Go with the Ki-44. I have never seen that in a sim. It was the first E fighter the Japanese had, and they didn't produce as many as they could have (thankfully for us) because the japanese were wary of an airplane that sacrificed turn rate for climb rate and speed. In one of my books on it, an american pilot (Believe they were in early P-51s) reports they encountered an unknown Japanese type slightly higher then their flight. Instead of diving and attacking the americans when they pulled up, the Japanese planes went vertical, outclimbed them, then turned back on the 51s when they stalled. When he recovered from the stall and started accelerating, he was the only one left from his flight who wasn't already shot down and immediately fire-walled the throttle and out dove the Ki-44s barely escaping.
HTC, give us the Shoki!
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[This message has been edited by Sundog (edited 01-31-2000).]
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Exqueeze me? A baking powder? Shouldn't we be talking about the Ki-43 here? Almost 6000 Ki-43's were built, more than all those others combined.
I think it would be best to leave these rare birds alone till we fill out the plane set a bit.
Buuuuuuuuuut, if we're gonna go for the really cool rare birds, I'll take a Do-335, thank you.
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The first Ki-100-Ia's were actually Ki-61-II-KAI airframes, fitted with the Mitsubishi Ha-112-II radial engine because the Ha-140(inline) engine factory was destroyed by a B-29 raid.
"I see what you mean about the recycling - pretty much the same plane from the firewall aft." - funked.
The Ki-61-II-KAI had a longer rear fuselage and larger vertical stab than the Ki-61-I series, so "recycling" a Ki-100 into a Ki-61-I isn't really so simple, the 3d model would have to be mostly reworked, except for the wings.
Click on Type 3 "Hien" on the left for Ki-61/Ki-100 profiles and articles (http://www.marksindex.com/aviation/aviation.html)
[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 02-01-2000).]
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Ki-100 - cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
I feel my island roots calling to me - Mariannas Islands, that is. If we get a Pacific Scenario, I'd gladly fly USN, and free my Guamanian relatives from the IJA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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leonid
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Who in their right mind would fly the Ki-43 in this plane set? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It's at least 40mph slower than the slowest plane, sports only 2x12.7's, and can't climb with anything.
Now, as you say, we should work back a little and pick up some earlier planes; with this I agree. But I would start with something that would be relatively competitive (such as an A6M5 or Ki61) and once that era is filled a bit more, then grab the early stuff. B26's, F4U-1C's, all the 109's... hell, everything will laugh at the Ki-43 right now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Dolomite,
Yeah, I agree, but just think of the fun of catching a F4U-1C low and slow, locking onto his tail and picking him apart with the peashooters, giving him the slow death he deserves. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
--ra--
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You'd have to attach a wagon to the plane for it to carry enough ammo to bring down a Corsair.
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Spinny, VF-17, The Jolly Rogers 8X
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Spinny: Not if they model the guns right. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Juzz: I was assuming they would do a Ki-61-II.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-01-2000).]
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I get the impression only a small number of Ki-61-II-KAI were delivered to combat units.
By the time that production was suspended, 374 Model 2s had been built, but 30 of these were destroyed on the ground prior to delivery and 275 were built without engines.
That leaves only 69 with engines. The 275 without were converted into Ki-100-Ia's, and when these airframes ran out a further 118 Ki-100-Ib were built from "scratch".
I doubt there would be sufficient data available for HTC to model the Ki-61-II-KAI? Although it would be nice to fly the Ki-61-II-KAId - with four Ho-5 20mm cannons! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Whats the world coming to when you have to recycle airplanes. Cant we just ave the throw away Japanese planes that were used to Ki here an oscar there niki over there now we have to clean up the arena so they can recycle these throw away planes into something esle. Well Ive been here sence august and I aint pushing a broom to remake airplanes. And this download is getting way out of hand toke me 1 hole minute to get it down off the web and you want more aiplanes now sheeesss when will these players ever be happy.
Ok more planes mean less size in download so rooks lose 4 fields this time then knights lose 4 the rooks lose instruments next knights loose them. then if thats not enough they start out 3/4 damaged.
enough of this sound great like to turn and burn some times. Read up on the ki 100 never looked at the ki44 need to I guess.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
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lol Indian!
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Great Pyro!
I love zeke and another Japanese planes.
What type of zeke?A6M5a?
How about J2M?
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Boy did I misspell just about everything in my post.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
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Nabe, you read my mind (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I had also thought just yesterday of how nice it would be to have the J2M3 Raiden aka "Jack".
(http://www.totavia.com/imagearchive/aviapix/Fighters/Jack/raiden01.jpg)
More pictures of a restored Raiden here:
http://www.j-aircraft.com/walk/carl_slater/chinoj2m.htm (http://www.j-aircraft.com/walk/carl_slater/chinoj2m.htm)
--Westy
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I said Army dangit!
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Nabe, I was thinking about an A6M5b for our first Zero. It's a little bit of an improvement.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid."
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Thnx Pyro!
A6M5b is nice choice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It has 1 x 12.7mm,1 x 7.7mm and 2 wing-mounted 20mm. Also it has bulletproof glass.
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The Ki-44-IIc has 4x20mm cannon. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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So does the A6M5c. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Come on Pyro (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) You must admit to being inexplicably drawn to the Raiden.
It is after all the Japanese "Thunderbolt"
Awfully tempting....
You KNOW it has to be done....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I see one more late war plane, I think I'm going to throw up ... (http://route89.com/~wacko99/smile/crying.gif)
Of course, should a La-7 arrive, well, I guess I won't feel too bad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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leonid
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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How about a MiG-3? I know IL-2 will have one, but I have never seen the MiG-3 in any game. If we are going for late war `rare' aircraft, then the MiG I-224 should do nicely! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ki-44-II was neither late war nor rare!
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I think leonid meant that Navy plane, the J2M3 Raiden.
The A6M5c does not have 4 cannon, but it does have 4 guns in the wings... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
MiG-3? I'm using a screenshot of it from Il-2 as my desktop! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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OK OK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Not one comment for the Ta-152 anywhere, nice thread! WTG people!!!
Mino