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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Yarbles on May 27, 2009, 08:25:35 AM
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Please let me know when I get my new PC it will have vista unlesss I spend more to get it downgraded to XP.
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Can't say much about Vista but AH2 works like a dream in Windows 7 which is based on Vista.
It won't make Skuzzy happy though - both are support nightmares.
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Please let me know when I get my new PC it will have vista unlesss I spend more to get it downgraded to XP.
i dont see nothing wrong with downgrading it to XP...
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I use Vista and have zero problems running AH2. Just don't install it in the default Program Files folder. I have mine in C:\Games\AH2.
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I use Vista and have zero problems running AH2. Just don't install it in the default Program Files folder. I have mine in C:\Games\AH2.
Yep absolutely under no condition install games in program files in Vista or W7. Or most other softwares for that matter unless they've been especially coded to handle Vista's way of profile management and UAC. Anything legacy will be messed up royally.
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No issues at all. Setting up your mic will be different but I have a post in this forum along with pictures of what to do and how to do it.
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Don't worry, I am using AH and Vista and have no problems.
gathoo
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Vista 64 here and no problems. Only 1 i had is cause i just defaulted the location and didnt read forums when i downloaded it lol but clean wipe and reinstall and have had nothing wrong. Only thing is vista has alot of processes running so will have to kill those down. Mine started at 70.
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no problems any more running vista 64 once i shut down about half of my stuff, my vista looks like xp now tho, made the mistake of downloading it in regular files, try to get it in the right place from the start!!
it will make your world a whole lot simpler!!
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There are no issues that I have seen contrary to all the horror stories for personal use on newer hardware outside of a corporate network. Yeah, you'll have to tweak it and learn a little bit about it for the best performance but you also had to tweak XP and learn a bit about it for best performance. BFD. That's the nature of moving to a new OS IMHO. Unless you have specific need of legacy software that refuses to run or is otherwise known to be hindered by Vista then I'd save my money in regards to downgrading to XP.
In a perfect world I'd wait for Win 7 to come out as preinstalled on an OEM box but I don't know how long you can afford to wait.
Now I'm sure that all of the Vista haters will weigh in. Some may have legitimate complaints based on their intended uses. Not everyone's requirements are the same. If past experience holds true others will weigh in that in fact have no or extremely limited experience with Vista and are only echoing the worst they've heard from others.
Vista's got it's faults but for AH I've seen no problems once it's tuned and the hardware is adequate.
Have at it Vista/MS haters...
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follow Tildeath setup and I have no problem at all with vista.Runs just like xp for me.No issues at all
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Which manufacturer made the cpu on this new rig? If its AMD you may have a few other problems. If its Intel moving the install is the only problem your likely to see. On some AMD CPUs you should run the program in Win 98 compatibility mode.
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Personally, I would go with vista at this point and then wait to see what Windows 7 looks like instead of downgrading. That way you can spend the money for an upgrade or maybe they will offer a free upgrade. Get with the manufacturer before you buy. Keep in mind there is a reason they went to Windows 7 so fast. That's not to discount anyone on this forum. These are just my humble opinions.
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Yep absolutely under no condition install games in program files in Vista or W7. Or most other softwares for that matter unless they've been especially coded to handle Vista's way of profile management and UAC. Anything legacy will be messed up royally.
What kind of mess ups? I put everything there and don't notice any issues. Are the problems escaping my notice.
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Vista and Windows 7 spend a lot of CPU time on anything accessed in the "Program Files" folder. The virtual store of hidden files it maintains is bad enough alone.
This all started in XP, but was not nearly as intrusive as it is in Vista and Windows 7. If you want your computer to run its best, you never install anything in the "Program Files" folder. Anything installed in the "Program Files" folder will not run nearly as well as it can run on your computer.
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Either spend more to get it downgraded, or reformat and do it yourself and save yourself a few bucks.
Truly isn't that hard to do.
If it was me I'd probably wipe, install XP pro, on one partition and Windows 7 on another.
Gives you all the latest bells, whistles and buzzers and still lets you fly with rock solid XP performance.
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Vista and Windows 7 spend a lot of CPU time on anything accessed in the "Program Files" folder. The virtual store of hidden files it maintains is bad enough alone.
This all started in XP, but was not nearly as intrusive as it is in Vista and Windows 7. If you want your computer to run its best, you never install anything in the "Program Files" folder. Anything installed in the "Program Files" folder will not run nearly as well as it can run on your computer.
got it, thanks!
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Vista and Windows 7 spend a lot of CPU time on anything accessed in the "Program Files" folder. The virtual store of hidden files it maintains is bad enough alone.
This all started in XP, but was not nearly as intrusive as it is in Vista and Windows 7. If you want your computer to run its best, you never install anything in the "Program Files" folder. Anything installed in the "Program Files" folder will not run nearly as well as it can run on your computer.
So even in XP we should install AH in folder other than Program files?
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Vista and Windows 7 spend a lot of CPU time on anything accessed in the "Program Files" folder. The virtual store of hidden files it maintains is bad enough alone.
This all started in XP, but was not nearly as intrusive as it is in Vista and Windows 7. If you want your computer to run its best, you never install anything in the "Program Files" folder. Anything installed in the "Program Files" folder will not run nearly as well as it can run on your computer.
Skuzzy,
You know I'm not in the habit of questioning your computing advice (I mean, we're normally on the same wavelength here), but this is the very first time I've ever heard of anything like this.
As a very basic test, I've Ghosted my test partition of XP, installed PCMark05 into the default Program Files folder, ran the benchmark a few times, then Ghosted back to clean, and then installed PCMark05 into a new folder outside of Program Files, and ran the benchmark a few more times.
The results are the same (within the margin of error) in all instances.
So either you're talking about some other effect, or the effect doesn't really exist in XP, or I'm missing something I'd like to investigate further.
Could you direct me to some website or link that describes this effect or shows me how to demonstrate it?
Thanks,
Llama
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The impact occurs when a new file is created, updated or deleted. In the case of Aces High, we do a lot of file updates, creations, and deletions. Each time we do that, it has to go through that nasty layer which keeps track of where Vista really puts files, as they are not placed in the folders we want them to be placed in.
The upshot of it is, the game stutters and pauses due to the extra overhead created by that nonsense. Moving the game from the "Program Files" folder results in the game playinf much smoother and it allows you to easily locate your files located in the films, screenshots, cache, settings, and skins folders.
XP is far less of an issue. I would call it negligible in XP w/SP3. I only really ran into it when I started working with a ton of files (over 5,000 audio/video files) making a movie. Once I moved that program out of "Program Files" the encoding sped up by about 15%. Made it worth my while as that encoding took over 48 hours to do.
The problem is severe enough with Vista and Windows 7, we will be changing our default installation path in the next release.
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I have Vista 64 and run AH with no problems. My TEEN SQUELCH HACK ( Only $.34 ) runs perfectly.