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Title: generation kill
Post by: whels on May 27, 2009, 10:59:45 AM

Good show, love the ending of the series, when they guy says
some things at the end.

http://www.hbo.com/generationkill/

love the ending speach in the credits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys7pEJts19E
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Curval on May 27, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
Honestly...I didn't think much of GK.

I think it had a whole lot to do with the attitudes of the soldiers.  I've heard people compare the show to Saving Private Ryan.  Well, from a character standpoint I liked the characters in SPR....I didn't find much to like about any of the characters in GK. 
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Selino631 on May 27, 2009, 12:15:58 PM
I loved the show.


lol, "Whopper Junior!!"
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: CraneMan on May 27, 2009, 12:59:47 PM
Whiskey - Tango :rofl :rock
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Curval on May 27, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
November Juliet?

Is that way cool too?
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on May 27, 2009, 05:16:40 PM
GK was about as close as I've seen a show get to how we acted in the Corps....







I hate Ripped Fuel, btw....
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: lowZX14 on May 28, 2009, 12:02:00 PM
I need to watch the show to see how realistic it is but I can tell you that the book was outstanding from my point of view.  The book hit the nail on the head describing the life of the front line Marines during the initial push.  I have a few Recon buddies that say it's realistic to what they went through.  I wasn't Recon but I can tell you that those guys are hilarious to be around, even more fun that your run of the mill Grunt.


love the ending speach in the credits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys7pEJts19E

I have that same speech on a plague I was given when I left the Corps.  It's one of my most prized possessions.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: CAVPFCDD on May 28, 2009, 01:55:45 PM
bad acting, bad dialoge, and bad action sequences compared to a show like band of brothers.

They lost me after two episodes.

I'm waiting for "The Pacific" to come out, spielberg and hanks surely will not dissapoint.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on May 28, 2009, 02:22:25 PM
bad dialoge

If you've ever spent any time around Marines in the field, you'd know that dialogue was spot on.  Most realistic depiction of deployed Marines that I've seen.  Great book, pretty good adaptation for HBO, and extremely entertaining.  Most people probably would never conceive that Marines sit around and talk about topics like they did in the movie, but they do--all the time. 

BTW, that speech in your second clip wasn't in the series.  There was, however, a textbook SEAD Non-Standard radio transmission after either the first or second episode that spun my head--sounded exactly like what we used to teach.  The technical detail and accuracy in that show was as good as any I've seen from Hollywood.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: whels on May 28, 2009, 02:32:02 PM
Stoney,

the speech was in my version i saw on HBO. It played after they watched the guys film on the lap top. It played when credits
started rolling.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on May 28, 2009, 02:44:06 PM
Hmmm...  Ok.  I didn't remember that.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Shuffler on May 28, 2009, 02:45:37 PM
ahh no wonder I had never heard of it. HBO limited release.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: CAVPFCDD on May 28, 2009, 04:54:56 PM
If you've ever spent any time around Marines in the field, you'd know that dialogue was spot on.  Most realistic depiction of deployed Marines that I've seen.  Great book, pretty good adaptation for HBO, and extremely entertaining.  Most people probably would never conceive that Marines sit around and talk about topics like they did in the movie, but they do--all the time. 

BTW, that speech in your second clip wasn't in the series.  There was, however, a textbook SEAD Non-Standard radio transmission after either the first or second episode that spun my head--sounded exactly like what we used to teach.  The technical detail and accuracy in that show was as good as any I've seen from Hollywood.

I didn't doubt that it wasn't similar to a realistic marine conversation, just thought that since the acting was pretty poor the dialogue in turn wasn't really great. Not trying to put the marine corps down, but I just didn't really like the way this was made, I am comparing this to band of brothers, which may not be fair since that was such a top notch production. I just thought this series seemed very amature compared to it.

Maybe bad dialogue was an unfair statement, just bad acting, that made the dialogue bad, I'm a tough critic lol. I do have a friend who makes independent films and I help him out whenever possible, gives you a whole new view on films, basically you study every aspect in much more detail.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on May 28, 2009, 06:39:25 PM
Band of Brothers was certainly more polished--no doubt.  It needed to be, given the subject matter.

The best thing about Generation Kill was that it had a very unpolished, gritty feel to it, just like the book.  The book communicated how chaotic and fast-paced the OIF land operation was; how confusing many of the situations they faced were; how there were many occasions when the guys were not comfortable at all with what they were doing.  I thought the manner in which they made the series matched that.  There was no real theme music, just the crypto chirp and transmissions of a SINGCARS radio.  The credits almost looked like an afterthought, you having just been thrust out of whatever confused situation the platoon was in during the episode.

What I'll say is that if I was to make a "war movie" based on my own experiences in the Marine Corps, it would look and feel and sound a lot more like Generation Kill than Band of Brothers--on purpose.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: RumbleB on May 28, 2009, 07:51:54 PM
Great thing abuot this show is Fruity Rudy... he is played by.. the actual soldier in the book cause they couldn't find an actor to play his part as well. Interesting to see him acting out everything the way it happened. Must've been crazy for him to see it all again... also i couldnt believe it when I saw it, I thought the guy was just some character.

Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on May 28, 2009, 08:22:17 PM
...Fruity Rudy...

"Gay porn dog--gay porn..."

One of the funniest scenes in the whole series.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sikboy on July 18, 2009, 09:22:34 AM
I finally got around to seeing this one.

I liked it for the most part. It's hard to compare it to shows like "Band of Brothers" because it was a long run for a short slide. There was action but nothing on the scale of WW2 or Vietnam. A low body count is excellent for operations, but not worth as much for Hollywood.

That said, I didn't find fault with the acting, and I thought the directors did a good job building tension and setting us up for the letdowns (like the taking of the airfield lol). These Marines were much like the Marine's I served with, only tougher. As has been mentioned in the threat previously, it passed the smell test wrt "realism."

The one criticism that I have is that the writing suffers from too much perspective bias. If you go by Evan Wright's account, then 1lt Nate Fick, is the only competent officer in the United States Marine Corps. Everyone else up the chain of command, including LtCol. Ferrando is a total chowderhead (though I did like that they at least gave him a chance to explain himself in the end).


I wholeheartedly encourage anyone with any interest in the subject to read the original Rolling Stone articles:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938873/the_killer_elite/

-Sik
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Kazaa on July 18, 2009, 09:27:21 AM
I liked "Over There" better.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sandman on July 18, 2009, 09:35:42 AM

I wholeheartedly encourage anyone with any interest in the subject to read the original Rolling Stone articles:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938873/the_killer_elite/

-Sik

Better yet, read the book (http://www.amazon.com/Generation-Kill-Evan-Wright/dp/0425224740/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247927638&sr=8-2).

While you're at it, might want to read Nate Fick's book (http://www.amazon.com/One-Bullet-Away-Making-Officer/dp/0618773436/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247927685&sr=1-1) also.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sikboy on July 18, 2009, 09:42:16 AM
Better yet, read the book (http://www.amazon.com/Generation-Kill-Evan-Wright/dp/0425224740/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247927638&sr=8-2).

While you're at it, might want to read Nate Fick's book (http://www.amazon.com/One-Bullet-Away-Making-Officer/dp/0618773436/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247927685&sr=1-1) also.

Having been unemployed for the past 3 months, I'll stick to the freebees :)

-Sik
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on July 18, 2009, 09:45:16 AM
Agreed.  Reading Nate Fick's book provides some proper perspective that balances out Evan Wrigiht's "perspective bias" that Sikboy mentions.  Reading both books you get both viewpoints, and they dovetail together nicely, even though one may place more or less importance on a certain series of events.  Probably the reason that Wright made Fick look like the only competent officer was because, to the Marines in that platoon, he appeared to be.  Obviously, that insular perspective creates that.  One thing I learned was that the more senior I got, the more sense senior-level decision making made.  But, ultimately, I think there was a lot of flawed leadership throught 1 MarDiv during OIF, but that's just my personal opinion.  I was simply encouraged that HBO had the guts to make that series just like the book presented it, without any sort of agenda.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sandman on July 18, 2009, 09:48:13 AM
Having been unemployed for the past 3 months, I'll stick to the freebees :)

-Sik

I loaned my GK book to a friend. When I get it back, I'll send it to you.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sikboy on July 18, 2009, 09:57:22 AM
I loaned my GK book to a friend. When I get it back, I'll send it to you.

Sweet!

I agree with Stoney that the bias originates with the Marines involved. It just wouldn't be an effective unit if they didn't think their Lt was the best Platoon commander, and that their Sergeants weren't the best Squad leaders ect. And I loved the portrayal of Fick up to the end, where it appeared to me (and obviously I'm judging a character in a movie not the man on the ground) that he made a political judgment and applied that to tactical orders.

-Sik
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 18, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
  Most realistic depiction of deployed Marines that I've seen. 

+1

Thought they did an outstanding job.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 18, 2009, 01:45:14 PM
GK was about as close as I've seen a show get to how we acted in the Corps....







I hate Ripped Fuel, btw....
Ive heard some awful stories recently about the corps, something about a massacre of a village of women and children.......
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sikboy on July 18, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
Junky,

Are you referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_killings

or something new?

-Sik
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 18, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
If I remember right all charges were dropped except for 1 Marine.


I know you're an Army puke, so i'll forgive you   :aok

Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sikboy on July 18, 2009, 04:03:53 PM
If I remember right all charges were dropped except for 1 Marine.


I know you're an Army puke, so i'll forgive you   :aok



It takes a while for news to get to Korea I think.

-Sik
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 18, 2009, 10:37:03 PM
It takes a while for news to get to Korea I think.

-Sik
My team leader, an x marine, told me about it its been in the the theaters we are in now. Not just being in Korea, AFN doesn't like to show much bad things to troops, hurts morale. Army has it issues too, but killing the innocent is unforgivable, I wonder if you all know that however many soldiers who did get in trouble were betrayed by a General who told them to set an example? That entire unit was to blame from the highest to the lowest, and people not handing out real justice should have it set upon them too. Just the way I feel at the time....sorry for ranting and understand I don't hate everyone in the Marine Corps, But this Army puke is an infantrymen, until i meet a marine infantrymen I say Army is more high speed :salute
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on July 18, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
My team leader, an x marine, told me about it its been in the the theaters we are in now.

You need more liberty in the ville.  And, I've got an idea that your team leader wasn't a 0311, 0331, etc...
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 08:39:35 AM
I don't hate everyone in the Marine Corps, But this Army puke is an infantrymen, until i meet a marine infantrymen I say Army is more high speed :salute

Ha, hell, our 0352's (TOW gunners) are more 'high speed' than your infantry boys, and they are some of the laziest 03 (Infantry MOS) Marines I know.

I love this picture :

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/carlton86/Army_Strong.jpg)
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 19, 2009, 08:50:36 AM
Ha, hell, our 0352's (TOW gunners) are more 'high speed' than your infantry boys, and they are some of the laziest 03 (Infantry MOS) Marines I know.

I love this picture :

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/carlton86/Army_Strong.jpg)
Unless your Infantry you cant argue with me about this, Theres only 2 jobs in the Army, Infantry and support
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 10:46:18 AM
Unless your Infantry you cant argue with me about this, Theres only 2 jobs in the Army, Infantry and support

0311 Rifleman


I'd argue even Marine POG's are more 'high speed' than your infantry.



Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 19, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
0311 Rifleman


I'd argue even Marine POG's are more 'high speed' than your infantry.





You're going to strut about like a fool just to spit in the face of all the guys in other branches who were wounded or died just the same as Marines simply because you spent some time with them?  Classy.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
You're going to strut about like a fool just to spit in the face of all the guys in other branches who were wounded or died just the same as Marines simply because you spent some time with them?  Classy.

Not at all, I'm arguing that Marines I've served with are more 'high speed' than Army infantry.


How did you pull this from what I'm saying?

Are you high?
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 19, 2009, 11:15:46 AM
It's the same childish "my team is better than your team" crap.  It belongs back in the school yard and has no place when talking about those who put their lives on the line.  When it comes to good or bad it often comes down to unit leadership.  You can find examples of both in all services.  A categorical statement such as yours is by definition false.  Holding the position in face of the realities surrounding the circumstances is childish and spitting in the face of tens of thousands of very decent people who put their lives on the line daily.  Most people would find your arrogance disgusting, many of them being Marines.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 11:50:11 AM
Have you even seen the inside of a uniform?


EVERY Marine Ive ever met shares my sentiments.

Its just Army v. Marine Corps pissing match thats been going on for years, pull the bug out of your butt.


Most people would find your arrogance disgusting, many of them being Marines.

HA! Please!

The first thing I heard my Recruiters say was a jibe at the Army guys that have an office across a parking lot from theirs.

Marines ALWAYS make fun of the Army, the Army tries to make fun of the Marines.

Show me where I said I dont respect the Army... I'll be waiting...


Until then, shove it up your condescending arse.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 19, 2009, 01:56:59 PM
Have you even seen the inside of a uniform?
Yup.

EVERY Marine Ive ever met shares my sentiments. Its just Army v. Marine Corps pissing match thats been going on for years, pull the bug out of your butt.
Perhaps I have only had the pleasure of knowing professional Marines who have been matured beyond childish mantras and recognize that each unit, independent of service stands or falls by it's leadership.  The ones I know have a great deal of respect for their brother in arms, you can pick your own crowd.


The first thing I heard my Recruiters say was a jibe at the Army guys that have an office across a parking lot from theirs.
Really?  Who would have guessed given their target audience?  You're giving jarheads a bad name.

Show me where I said I dont respect the Army... I'll be waiting...
OK....
From just this thread...
"I'd argue even Marine POG's are more 'high speed' than your infantry."
"Marines ALWAYS make fun of the Army, the Army tries to make fun of the Marines."
"Not at all, I'm arguing that Marines I've served with are more 'high speed' than Army infantry."
"Ha, hell, our 0352's (TOW gunners) are more 'high speed' than your infantry boys, and they are some of the laziest 03 (Infantry MOS) Marines I know."
"I know you're an Army puke, so i'll forgive you "

Until then, shove it up your condescending arse.

Seems like you already have this area covered, no point crowding ya.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 02:19:09 PM
Dear Lord you need to lighten up.


Quote
Perhaps I have only had the pleasure of knowing professional Marines who have been matured beyond childish mantras and recognize that each unit, independent of service stands or falls by it's leadership.  The ones I know have a great deal of respect for their brother in arms, you can pick your own crowd.

I've listened to Colonels, Sgt Majs, Majors, and a 2 star general make fun of the Army.

I've heard the same jokes about Marines from the Army.


We all respect each other. My best buddy at work is from the 4th ID and we bust each others huevos all the time, and we respect the hell out of each other.

I didn't state ONCE I do not respect the Army, you choose to pick jibes toward them as such.

Soldiers and Marines have always traded insults.

It ain't a new thing bubba.



Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 19, 2009, 02:23:30 PM
Thanks for conceding the point.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 02:27:39 PM
Thanks for conceding the point.

So I'm a bad Marine because I tell jokes about the Army...



Ok buddy!  :aok



Still waiting for you to show me when I said I didn't respect the Army...


It's ok though, I'm pretty sure I already know your answer.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 19, 2009, 02:55:16 PM
*sigh*

Keep truckin jarhead.  No need for observable fact or integrity to get in the way of ego.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 03:00:03 PM
*sigh*

Keep truckin jarhead.  No need for observable fact or integrity to get in the way of ego.

'Observable fact'?

Like every Marine I know from the rank of Private to a 2-star General that has joked about the Army... Yup...

Or every Soldier I've come across had traded jabs about Marine Corps vs. Army with me in good humor... Uh-huh...


Careful on that high horse, the fall might hurt.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on July 19, 2009, 03:19:50 PM
Dang guys, drop it for Pete's sake.  Either close this one out or get back on topic.  I'm counting over a dozen "neener-neener" posts.   :mad:
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 03:30:28 PM
The only good to come from this thread is now I wanna watch the whole series again...  :D
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 19, 2009, 04:19:44 PM

"I'd argue even Marine POG's are more 'high speed' than your infantry."
"Marines ALWAYS make fun of the Army, the Army tries to make fun of the Marines."
"Not at all, I'm arguing that Marines I've served with are more 'high speed' than Army infantry."
"Ha, hell, our 0352's (TOW gunners) are more 'high speed' than your infantry boys, and they are some of the laziest 03 (Infantry MOS) Marines I know."
"I know you're an Army puke, so i'll forgive you "

So while walking along the beach you kick sand in peoples face and shout "I respect you!??

You would have been better off just being upfront and either saying "I am what I am"  or "I'm just messing with everyone, I really do respect others"
 
Saying one thing and doing something else just makes you a dishonest tool.  Dragging it out just makes a bigger smear mark on your integrity.

Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 04:53:56 PM
So while walking along the beach you kick sand in peoples face and shout "I respect you!??

You would have been better off just being upfront and either saying "I am what I am"  or "I'm just messing with everyone, I really do respect others"
 
Saying one thing and doing something else just makes you a dishonest tool.  Dragging it out just makes a bigger smear mark on your integrity.



What the hell? Are you an idiot?

You've never BS'd with your friends and joked with each other about each other??

You must have paper thin skin if this is getting your panties wadded up...


And who the hell are you to question my integrity anyway?
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sikboy on July 19, 2009, 06:20:43 PM
wow, this thread sure went to hell lol.

Having served in a joint environment for most of my active duty time I really don't see DJ111's ignorance as being particularly offensive, just normal Jar-head lack of knowledge and understanding. :)

-Sik
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 19, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
wow, this thread sure went to hell lol.

Having served in a joint environment for most of my active duty time I really don't see DJ111's ignorance as being particularly offense, just normal Jar-head lack of knowledge and understanding. :)

-Sik

Thank you!


 :P
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 19, 2009, 11:14:57 PM
wow, this thread sure went to hell lol.

Having served in a joint environment for most of my active duty time I really don't see DJ111's ignorance as being particularly offensive, just normal Jar-head lack of knowledge and understanding. :)

-Sik

Oh, I know you're right.  For the record, I've never lost sleep over a thread.  It's tougher to enjoy the sport with all the restrictions.

We always joked around plenty.  We also messed with cherries and especially with boneheads who spouted off without thinking.  Seriously, how could you expect me not to punk DJ out?  This place has been way too mundane to pass up such an easy punking.  I probably should have let him off earlier but each time I gave him line he swallowed a bit more.  I couldn't help but keep setting the hook.  Sorry DJ, even if I did not even provide a reach around, I luv ya. :salute
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 20, 2009, 04:24:19 AM
Oh, I know you're right.  For the record, I've never lost sleep over a thread.  It's tougher to enjoy the sport with all the restrictions.

We always joked around plenty.  We also messed with cherries and especially with boneheads who spouted off without thinking.  Seriously, how could you expect me not to punk DJ out?  This place has been way too mundane to pass up such an easy punking.  I probably should have let him off earlier but each time I gave him line he swallowed a bit more.  I couldn't help but keep setting the hook.  Sorry DJ, even if I did not even provide a reach around, I luv ya. :salute

yes, congratulations, you are a master baiter.

You 'punked me out' on an internet message board, you may sleep soundly tonight.


HA!


Pathetic  :aok
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 20, 2009, 07:22:10 AM
That was a good nights sleep.

Awwww... lemme give you a hug cupcake.   :cry
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 20, 2009, 08:22:24 AM
Spare me.

Go back to your cave you pathetic troll.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 21, 2009, 02:48:52 AM
Not at all, I'm arguing that Marines I've served with are more 'high speed' than Army infantry.


How did you pull this from what I'm saying?

Are you high?
"If you were in my platoon, I would tell you that your a rifleman first, then a radio operator.".......one huge difference between the Army and Marines is that all Marines say "Im a Marine" the Army says "im a (job type name here) in the Us Army", so you served with some good Marines....My NCOs right now are primarily Rangers or they have been deployed 5 times.....does that make me a Ranger? No it doesnt, but I know I train as if I were one, I can out ruck some Rangers, I use the same battle drills and room clearing procedures they do, but I dont have the school, Army Infantry trains to close the distance between an enemy position and themselves while making it so the enemy cant injure a soldier and we do this every day. We can go back and forth between whos better all day but just remember this, Army has alot more wars and battles under its belt.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 21, 2009, 02:52:02 AM
0311 Rifleman


I'd argue even Marine POG's are more 'high speed' than your infantry.




Rifleman, so your only good with a rifle.....hmm you motivate the heck out of me high speed. I know how to use over ten different weapons systems and maintain them as well too. Right now Im a rifleman and grenadier, but if that SAW goes down you bet your butt Ill drop that crap rifle for the more lethal weapon any day.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: lowZX14 on July 21, 2009, 08:46:53 AM
I will jump in on this one now and give you my $0.02.  The reason we Marines say that we are a Marine are for a few reasons.  Number one, every Marine regardless of MOS receives basic, very basic rifleman training.  As a matter of fact, you will see the phrase "Every Marine a Rifleman" used all over the Corps.  Number two, you have to realize that while being the smallest branch in the military the Marine Corps is usually the first force on the ground in most conflicts and the pride, honor, and history of the Marine Corps is ingrained into our brain housing groups during Boot Camp and continues from there.  See, I didn't say all conflicts, I said most, and that is quoting todaysmilitary.com.  DJ was a 0311, and while that is your basic Rifleman, they do train with more than just a rifle, I can guarantee you that.  I had quite a few friends and was stationed with a few Marines that were 0311's.  There is a little motivational tool used by recruiters and others throughout the Corps that says we are the only branch proud enough to give our members our name.  You have Soldiers in the Army, Sailors in the Navy, Airmen in the Air Force, but only the Marine Corps calls its own people Marines.  Now I'm not trying to trash you or anybody else that has served, is serving, or will serve in any of our armed forces, I believe that anybody who can put on a uniform that represents our great country should be applauded and recognized.  But you, I, and everyone else here knows that as long as we have different branches of the military, there's going to be a little ribbing back and forth as to who is the best.  Oh, and since you are in Korea now, do some research on the Chosin Reservoir, good history there.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 21, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
Rifleman, so your only good with a rifle.....hmm you motivate the heck out of me high speed. I know how to use over ten different weapons systems and maintain them as well too. Right now Im a rifleman and grenadier, but if that SAW goes down you bet your butt Ill drop that crap rifle for the more lethal weapon any day.

Again, showing your ignorance...

Our Riflemen (0311) use the 203, 249 and the standard rifle [M16-a4, and the M4 variant they handed out to staff NCOs recently]. (Which I am all qualified in)

I was discharged before I could qualify on the M2 and the 240 that our 0331's (Machine gunner) use.

There aren't many Marines that I knew that aren't proficient with just about every dam weapon we have in the field, POG's and Grunts alike.


But keep your head up your butt, it suits you.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Stoney on July 21, 2009, 09:30:12 AM
Seriously, lets end the inter-service crap.  Get back on topic or start your own "Army/Marine Corps--Who Has The Best Infantry" thread.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 21, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Seriously, lets end the inter-service crap.  Get back on topic or start your own "Army/Marine Corps--Who Has The Best Infantry" thread.
Thats easily answered seeing Im only talking about regular Infantry, Special Forces and Rangers where blue cords just like me  :aok
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 21, 2009, 02:11:20 PM
I will jump in on this one now and give you my $0.02.  The reason we Marines say that we are a Marine are for a few reasons.  Number one, every Marine regardless of MOS receives basic, very basic rifleman training.  As a matter of fact, you will see the phrase "Every Marine a Rifleman" used all over the Corps.  Number two, you have to realize that while being the smallest branch in the military the Marine Corps is usually the first force on the ground in most conflicts and the pride, honor, and history of the Marine Corps is ingrained into our brain housing groups during Boot Camp and continues from there.  See, I didn't say all conflicts, I said most, and that is quoting todaysmilitary.com.  DJ was a 0311, and while that is your basic Rifleman, they do train with more than just a rifle, I can guarantee you that.  I had quite a few friends and was stationed with a few Marines that were 0311's.  There is a little motivational tool used by recruiters and others throughout the Corps that says we are the only branch proud enough to give our members our name.  You have Soldiers in the Army, Sailors in the Navy, Airmen in the Air Force, but only the Marine Corps calls its own people Marines.  Now I'm not trying to trash you or anybody else that has served, is serving, or will serve in any of our armed forces, I believe that anybody who can put on a uniform that represents our great country should be applauded and recognized.  But you, I, and everyone else here knows that as long as we have different branches of the military, there's going to be a little ribbing back and forth as to who is the best.  Oh, and since you are in Korea now, do some research on the Chosin Reservoir, good history there.
Gunna have to disagree with Marines being the first in, Airborne Infantry Divisions are said to be able to be on the ground in hostile territory in 36 hours, and there is a reason why Rangers say Rangers lead the way, all the way :aok The interservice rivalries are very fun to get stirred up in, it in my eyes is one reason why our military is so good at defeating enemies. Brain washing in Basic, not boot camp Basic is the same for the Army, especially Infantry. I have been told by NCOs that they beat up people back in the day for being pogs at Infantry bars, I hate people saying they do the same as Infantry and more when the truth is, they dont even got a clue because to be an expert at Infantry tactics you got to do it everyday the same way. I got alittle grudge against Marines since I came back from Basic, One of my buds said this Marine was talking crap calling me a pansey and things of such nature, hes a truck driver.....I did as any Infantrymen would do and pound his face in  :salute
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 21, 2009, 02:49:19 PM
Seriously, lets end the inter-service crap.  Get back on topic or start your own "Army/Marine Corps--Who Has The Best Infantry" thread.

Don't you get it?  This thread is dedicated to DJ embarrassing the Marine Corps.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 21, 2009, 05:24:33 PM
Don't you get it?  This thread is dedicated to DJ embarrassing the Marine Corps.

Please,

If anything it shows how pathetic you are.


Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Sikboy on July 21, 2009, 05:29:51 PM
I think it just shows how persistent you both are :)

-Sik
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 22, 2009, 09:24:43 PM
Don't you get it?  This thread is dedicated to DJ embarrassing the Marine Corps.
:rofl

DJ
OK Marine, If i were to say head space and timing what would your answer be.......this is a easy question for Army Infantry
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 22, 2009, 09:27:44 PM
Were you intending that question for DJ?
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 22, 2009, 09:46:41 PM
Were you intending that question for DJ?
lol yes sorry  :salute
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 22, 2009, 10:11:53 PM
I'm sure he will google you up an answer shortly!
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: thedudee95 on July 22, 2009, 11:02:39 PM
Anybody got a link to all the episodes? I really want to see the series again.

In my opionion, it was the best and funniest series i ever saw,
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 22, 2009, 11:35:10 PM
Anybody got a link to all the episodes? I really want to see the series again.

In my opionion, it was the best and funniest series i ever saw,
Not brad, but his driver was hilarious, talking about how the war was started over the female sexual organ  :rofl or when hes standing in the middle of an ambush telling every to back up :lol
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 22, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
I'm sure he will google you up an answer shortly!
I was thinking that but then I thought, hes a Marine and to be a Marine you have to be dumber then a box of rocks :x
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: vonKrimm on July 23, 2009, 12:56:42 AM
I was thinking that but then I thought, hes a Marine and to be a Marine you have to be dumber then a box of rocks :x

My $0.02 here:

If I want a position taken in the shortest anount of time & casualties are not to be a factor; then i'll call the Marines for an assault.

If I want a position taken but time is not a factor & casualties are; then I'll call for Army Infantry to reduce the position.

If I just want to obliterate the position without any casualties; I'll call my old service: USAF.

'nuff said
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: JunkyII on July 23, 2009, 05:45:59 AM
My $0.02 here:

If I want a position taken in the shortest anount of time & casualties are not to be a factor; then i'll call the Marines for an assault.

If I want a position taken but time is not a factor & casualties are; then I'll call for Army Infantry to reduce the position.

If I just want to obliterate the position without any casualties; I'll call my old service: USAF.

'nuff said
Someone actually knows the difference between us, thats a surprise. This statement is very true, Army likes to have the least casualties possible, we do this by not attacking anything where we dont have 3 to 1 odds, we like to use the technology which the US military has to offer :salute
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: Redlegs on July 23, 2009, 08:27:47 AM
Not brad, but his driver was hilarious, talking about how the war was started over the female sexual organ  :rofl or when hes standing in the middle of an ambush telling every to back up :lol

Your talking about Cpl.Person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O4goKVqNuc&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O4goKVqNuc&feature=channel)
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 23, 2009, 10:16:16 AM
I was thinking that but then I thought, hes a Marine and to be a Marine you have to be dumber then a box of rocks :x


I'm sure he will google you up an answer shortly!

Wow, you 2 should get a room.

Just remember, 'Don't ask, don't tell'.



Have fun with that reach around...
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 23, 2009, 10:34:20 AM
Nothing is worse than a horny ex Marine.  Keep your fantasies to yourself and the neighbors cattle mmkay?
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 23, 2009, 10:52:42 AM
Nothing is worse than a horny ex Marine.  Keep your fantasies to yourself and the neighbors cattle mmkay?

Nice try.


You and Junky seem to have a sordid love affair going on...

Touching actually, might make a good Lifetime mini series.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 23, 2009, 11:52:42 AM
Let's summarize,  after getting called out for being a tool with no respect for your brothers in arms the only thing you can fall back on is a queer fest and attention whoring??

Way to go cupcake.  You are truly winning this one!

Can you throw in a few "your mama's" to complete the picture?
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 23, 2009, 12:01:41 PM
Let's summarize,  after getting called out for being a tool with no respect for your brothers in arms the only thing you can fall back on is a queer fest and attention whoring??

Way to go cupcake.  You are truly winning this one!

Can you throw in a few "your mama's" to complete the picture?

Please,

The only tools are you and Junky.

You still havent shown where I specifically said I disrespect the Army.


But thats ok bubba, I know what to expect from you.

Nothing is worse than a horny ex Marine.  Keep your fantasies to yourself and the neighbors cattle mmkay?

Uh huh... Riiiiiight.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 23, 2009, 12:24:38 PM

You still havent shown where I specifically said I disrespect the Army.


Back to the walking down the beach and kicking sand in peoples face while shouting " I respect you!!" analogy.  It takes a special sort of person to think you can say one thing but consistently act in a contradictory manner and expect to maintain credibility.

Uh huh... Riiiiiight.

I'm glad we at least agree here, thanks for keeping it private in the future.
Title: Re: generation kill
Post by: DJ111 on July 23, 2009, 12:47:01 PM
Back to the walking down the beach and kicking sand in peoples face while shouting " I respect you!!" analogy.  It takes a special sort of person to think you can say one thing but consistently act in a contradictory manner and expect to maintain credibility.


It takes a complete moron to not understand friends can joke with each other and give each other a hard time, but still respect each other.


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I'm glad we at least agree here, thanks for keeping it private in the future.

Sarcasm ain't your strong point I take it...