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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: illo on April 20, 2001, 05:48:00 AM
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What was number of f4u1-cs that saw action in ww2? How many kills were recorded to f4u1-cs?
And are there any pilots that became ace in f4u1-c?
I know very little about this plane so feel free to enlighten this up for me and others.
Also I would like to know why Ta-152 is perk and f4u1-c is not?
F4u1-c was used in superior numbers in combat? neg i guess.
F4u1-c was used earlier? no
Did it have more important effect in war? no
Ta-152 is superior to f4u1-c? I guess this depends on altitude.
Anyway its logical to think both should be perked. ..or is it?
btw. there was at least 1 pilot who became ace in Ta-152.
[This message has been edited by illo (edited 04-20-2001).]
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How many were used in WWII is irrelevant to whether or not it should be perked.
How hard it is to kill in a 1 on 1 fight is irrelevant to whether or not it should be perked.
How easily it kills things is irrelevant to whether or not it should be perked.
Its frequency of use in the Main Arena is the only relevant thing to whether or not it should be perked.
Due to how common it is, and the fact that the F4U fans have the F4U-1D available for free, causes me to want to see it perked. It significantly reduces the variety of the MA. If it were made a cheap, say 10 point, perk I believe the F4U-1C user would disperse to several other aircraft, probably the following aircraft would get the majority:
F4U-1D (F4U fans)
N1K2-J (spray and pray, need a lot of cannon ammo guys)
Spitfire MkIX (has Hispanos and like to turn guys)
Typhoon (has 4 Hispanos and is fast on the deck guys)
La7 (fast on the deck and turns alright guys)
P-47D-30 (has a lot of ammo and ordanace guys)
P-38L (has a lot of ammo and ordanance guys)
Fw190D-9 (fast on the deck and has a lot of ammo guys)
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 04-20-2001).]
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I think I can qualify as a F4U fan, as I fly quite often the D-Hog. And I really want the Quakebird perked, as Pyro promised.
The average Quakebirder is HO killer and, failing the inevitable HO, an easy prey. One side pissing, the other boring.
I can't understand the Ta-152 as a perked plane.
Cheers,
Pepe
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illo,
There were 200 F4U-1C's built in late 1944, there squadrons equiped and trained in Jan-feb and they reached combat in April 1945.
There were many kills recorded in the -1C. The ace which you asked for would be Lt. Joe Robbins of the VF-85, USS Shrangri-La.
Even more compelling for a non-perk A/C by your standards would be the F4U-4 of which 1,800 were built during WW2. It saw combat and had aces fly it. In fact Ken Walsh a 21 kill ace scored his last in it.
For the record I do think the F4U-1C could be considering a low perk point A/C. Maybe 10 points. However comparing the -1C combat record to the TA-152 is apples and oranges.
How many German pilots ever flew the TA-152? A hand full maybe 20? How many were built? How many active aquadrons were there? Did pilots ever actually train to fly this machine? There are some obscure versions of the F4U such as the F2G or F4U-3 which were built in numbers similar to the TA-152 which will certainly never appear in AH perked or otherwise, not including the likes of the F8F and P-51H which were also built and deployed during WW2.
Production numbers during WW2
F4U-4 = 1,859
F4U-1C = 200
F4U-3 = 26
F2G = 10
TA-152 = ??
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Thanks for telling me how things work here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I agree most chogs are easy kills..HOs i can usually evade while diving on them, but when they pull hard they may get to spray me from 700-1000yards for 1sec. Very often they land few hits on me before im out of range. After those few hits A8 is dead. This is not problem against any other plane in arena. What really bothers me is that 1/2 of planes i encounter are chogs.
I think that these range showing neon sign radars(that some ppl call icons) are causing most of this spraying...people simply couldnt spray effectively without this exact info of closure rates and distances.
But anyways i would like to know how f4u1-c fared in WW2 combat and when was it used and how many?
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From the ACES HIGH page:
History
The F4U-1C was a small production run of the Corsair that featured four 20mm cannons in place of the normal armament of six .50 caliber machine-guns. Vought produced 200 F4U-1Cs. The 1Cs first saw combat during the Okinawa campaign where they saw heavy action. VMF-311 was equipped with the 1C and tallied 71 victories during that campaign. VF-85 was also furnished with 1Cs and recorded 40 victories in the Okinawa campaign and later over mainland Japan.
There's enough info there to get you started with a web search for more details.
Enjoy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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You know, it would do good to you mean people who always bash the chog to fly a round or two of sorties with it. You'd see that its FM for sure isn't to blame for the ludicrous amount of MA usage and you'd get to enjoy the hispanos a bit yourself.
Also by flying the chog yourself (if you happen to have a feeling that chogs confer some sort of artificial advantage to their pilots) you'd guarantee that if another chog ever comes along, you have a level playing field and the best man comes out as the winner. "If you can't beat your enemies, join them." (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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blah blah blah....same old song....time to change the record.
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SageFIN,
There is not a single complaint about the F4U-1C's flight model, guns or lethality in this thread. You should read before you post.
It gets really old to have F4U-1C fans come in a hijack every thread about the F4U-1C by bringing in their same old tired accusations, even if nobody has complained about the thing.
sling322,
No, it wasn't the "same old record". Learn to read.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 04-20-2001).]
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Originally posted by F4UDOA:
"P-51H which were also built and deployed during WW2."
Deployed maybe..but Combat no
"Contrary to popular belief the P-51H never saw combat in any war. It was the only Mustang never to do so and also the only type not sold to any foreign nation. Although 370 aircraft had been delivered to the AAF prior to VJ day, none found thier way to combat units in time for the final fight.By the time the Korean War broke out in June 1950, the P-51H's were all but phased out of active US Air force service"
[This message has been edited by Nefarious (edited 04-20-2001).]
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Exactly Nefarious,
Built in production, units fully trained, deployed but no combat. Like the F8F or P-51H.
IMHO this qualifies as more of a WW2 fighter than a proto-type that was being test flown when bounced by enemy fighters or an A/C in which more were destroyed by straffing than actually flew in combat missions.
I think having reached at least 1 full production run during WW2(the end of WW2, not when Germany punked out) qualifies as a WW2 fighter.
When you consider that WW2 started in 1939 with Germany invading Poland(Spanish civil war also) and continued through 1945. This gives Germany 6 years of combat fighter production and developement. Compare that to the US which entered the war in Dec. 1941 or really in 1942. That gave the US only 3 years of fighter developement. Then you have people on these boards who say that 1945 planes are perks or not WW2 fighters, so that makes 2 years of US A/C that have some rediculous set of requirements to meet before they are considered to qualify as a WW2 fighter and even then people complain about the F4U-1C which fits every possible criteria for being in the plane set.
Here are a few US fighters that were flying in 1944 after 2 years of fighter developement and reached some level of production.
P-47M
P-47N
F4U-3
F2G
F4U-4
F8F-1
P-51H
If these A/C are not WW2 fighters then why should any country be allowed more than 2 years of fighter production to qualify for either a WW2 fighter or a non-perk A/C.
So thats fair right? No US planes after 1944 and no German planes after 1941 or they are all perked right (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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F4UDOA,
You're being a bit silly. The US was developing fighters before we got in it, the F4U, P-38 and P-47 are all examples of US pre-war fighter projects. The US lead the world in engine capability and propellor design all through WWII, regardless of whether we were in it or not.
The only standard that I think is fair is this:
There was at least 1 production, not proto-type, aircraft of the type built.
Combat should not matter. Desparately throwing aircraft not fully tested into combat doesn't matter. Production number do not matter.
This standard allows the following aircraft:
P-51H
Spitfire F.21
A7M2
He162
Do335 (I think there was a production model)
F7F
Meteor MkIII
P-47M/N
P-80A
F8F
It does not allow aircraft such as:
J7W1
Go229
B-36
Spiteful (not that it was any good)
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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OK ill budge on this one.
P-51H
Spitfire F.21
A7M2
He162
Do335 (I think there was a production model)
F7F
Meteor MkIII
P-47M/N
P-80A
F8F
It does not allow aircraft such as:
J7W1
Go229
B-36
I will talk about the german ones. HE-162 did see combat and filled at least 2 squadrons with aircraft. They have confirmed kills 1 in the west over a typhoon I believe at lechts field, the other info I am waiting on Oleg Maddox to send me on the 162's in the east. DO-335 did see combat, and the Gotha "err Horten" I am still waiting on some records about it, but stories say it was used before the testing grounds were taken over.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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I have a book on the Horton flying wing, the farthest it got was a prototype that crashed shortly after take off. I can scan in some pictures and information later tonite.
-SW
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Bearcats. ummmmmmmmmmm Bearcats!
http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Grumman.html (http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Grumman.html)
"With the Navy completely satisfied with the little powerhouse, an order for 2,023 F8F-1 fighters was placed. The first fighters being delivered to VF-19 on May 21, 1945, just 6 months after the prototype made its first flight."
http://www.rwebs.net/ghostsqd/f8f.htm (http://www.rwebs.net/ghostsqd/f8f.htm)
"Two squadrons, VF-18 and VF-19 were equipped with F8F-1's, and training was expedited in order to get the new fighter into service against Japanese suicide attack planes in the Pacific. VF-19 was onboard the carrier USS Langley, enroute across the Pacific, when the war ended on August 16, 1945."
http://www.multied.com/Navy/CV27Langley.html (http://www.multied.com/Navy/CV27Langley.html)
"After touching Ulithi and Pearl Harbor, she steamed to San Francisco,arriving 3 June for repairs and modernization. She departed 1 August for the forward area, and reached Pearl Harbor 8 August. While there, word arrived that hostilities had ended."
The Langley, CV-27, made it to Pearl on 8 August 45 with VF-19, the first operationally deployed Bearcat squadron.
Thus saving us all from a whinefest that would make the -1C hoopla the smallest of sideshows in comparison.
....ahhhh Bearcats!
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But have ya ever touched the 229? We got to talk with the guys at the smithsonian, and I think they might know a thing or two about this plane. Its funny but books are great talking to people who were there is even better.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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Karnak,
Yes I know I am being silly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
But I am just making a point about some of the rediculous guildlines some people will go to in order in include/exclude some A/C.
I happen to agree with your "production" model idea on what qualifies.
On a historic note however, it is amazing the progress that was reached in the US considering what passed for a fighter plane in 1940 in the US. Even though the F4U, P-38 and P-47 were drawing board or prototyped by 1941 they were still somewhat back burner projects. The US entered the war in 1942 in any real sense and in 2.5 years was producing P-51H's, F8F's, Super Corsairs and others. This was done from a distinct disadvantage in 1941 and a laughable joke in 1939 when Germany and Japan were building Me-109's and Zero's. Even Italy would have been considered superior in fighter technology at the time.
Stepping off of soapbox now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by F4UDOA (edited 04-20-2001).]
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DO-335 did see combat, and the Gotha "err Horten"
DO-335 is suspected of running some night missions but no evidence exists they actually did. Most of the produced fuselages, in various state of assemby, never left the factory.
229 never saw production.
HE-162 is a yes. produced, deployed and operational..
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YOu mean the fuselage section at Silver Hill, Maryland? Nope... I only got a good walk around.
If you are going to tell me those guys at the Garber facility "were there", I'd have to say you strained too much while you were on the crapper and your brain fell out. Most of the guys restoring the planes there aren't over 50 years old. By my math that puts them being born around 1945.
Each time you type Sturm, you send me into a fit of curiousity.. are you just making this crap up so you seem like you know what you're talking about, or are you senial?
The Horton Go229 NEVER saw ANY combat, it NEVER got PAST the PROTOTYPE stage.
And if actually touching the aircraft gives you any knowledge on the plane and it's entire history, I sat in the cockpit of the Ar234 before they shipped it from the Garber facility to the National Air & Space Museum to put it on display... I must know EVERYTHING about it, huh?
-SW
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Sturm,
That is exactly why I believe that my standard is the only fair standard. Pro-German players demand that the unit saw combat and pro-Russian, pro-American and pro-British people demand that some minimum number of units be produced before considering it valid. Both of these methods are simply intended to get your favorite late war units while denying the comparable late war units of others. Its just trying to setup circumstances so that they can say "Mine is bigger than yours".
BTW, FYI, Spitfire F.21s were in squadron service and sank a U-Boat.
Meteors were in squadron service, saw exstensive use against V-1s, then were posted to the continent in March 1945 and performed combat sweeps over German territory. Is it their fault there wasn't enough of the Luftwaffe left for them to get kills of human piloted machines?
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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F4UDOA,
...but ...But ...BUT ....BUT!!
Those are AMERICAN!
nofairnofairnofairnofairnofai rnofair!
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As a matter of fact.. I'll make it easy:
Plane type Engine Output
Horten HVa 2xHirth HM60R 80HP each
Horten Vb 2xHirth HM60R 80HP each
Horten Vc 2xHirth HM60R 80HP each
Horten H VII 2xArgus AS10C 240HP each
Horten H IX V1 Research aircraft/Glider
Horten H IX V2 2xJumo 004B-2 900kg each*
Horten H IX V3 2xJumo 004B-2 900kg each*
Horten H IX V4 Never built
Horten H IX V5 Never built
Horten H IX V6 2xJumo 004B-2 900kg each*
Horten IX V7 Never built
The V2 crashed.
The V3 wasn't completed and was found without wings attached by the Allies.
The V6 was also found under construction by the Allies.
It was the Ho 229 until it was transfered to the Gotha Firm when it became the Go 229.
Curious about the sources? Oooo I am too, lets have a look:
"Horten Flying Wing in WWII" by H.P. Dabrowski
Hmmm not much there, lets see HIS sources:
T-2 Report "German Flying Wings Designed by HOrten Brothers", Wright Patterson AFB 1946
Working Discussion on the 229 Mock-up (13.10.1944)
DVL Short Report on the Testing of the Flying Characteristics of the Horten IX V-1 (Berlin-Adlershof, July 7, 1944)
Power Plant Installation in Go 229 (Horten), (V3+V5), March 7, 1945, Junkers Flugzeug- und Motorenwerke A.G.
Flight Log of Lt. Erwin Ziller via Dr. Jorg Ziller Correspondence with W. Horten, R. Horten, H.J. Meier, D. Myhra, K. Nickel, W. Radinger, R. Roeser, W. Rosler, H. Scheidhauer, P.F. Selinger, G. Sengfelder, R. Stadler.
Tell me one more time that the Horten Ho 229 saw combat, I need a really good laugh.
-SW
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Originally posted by F4UDOA:
Karnak,
Yes I know I am being silly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
But I am just making a point about some of the rediculous guildlines some people will go to in order in include/exclude some A/C.
I happen to agree with your "production" model idea on what qualifies.
On a historic note however, it is amazing the progress that was reached in the US considering what passed for a fighter plane in 1940 in the US. Even though the F4U, P-38 and P-47 were drawing board or prototyped by 1941 they were still somewhat back burner projects. The US entered the war in 1942 in any real sense and in 2.5 years was producing P-51H's, F8F's, Super Corsairs and others. This was done from a distinct disadvantage in 1941 and a laughable joke in 1939 when Germany and Japan were building Me-109's and Zero's. Even Italy would have been considered superior in fighter technology at the time.
Stepping off of soapbox now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by F4UDOA (edited 04-20-2001).]
???Are you nuts? I don't know about the Corsair and T-Bolt, but the P-38 was definitely in full production by late '41, early '42. It wasn't a back burner project; by then war was clearly coming sooner or later, and the AAF needed a good fighter. Yeah, ironing out the many bugs that were still there at that point took awhile, but it was done the whole time that 38's were being produced and shipped out to squadrons.
BTW, the Lightning project started in 1936 or '37, as a limited series interceptor... it was a fairly big deal for the AAF.
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Starboard gun! FIRE!
Shootings to good for 'im, kick the louse out!
Port gun! FIRE!"
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lol Sank a U-Boot, technically true,yes, but be honest karnak thats not what we all think of as a U-Boot....
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I have a book on the Horton flying wing, the farthest it got was a prototype that crashed shortly after take off. I can scan in some pictures and information later tonite.
-SW
Not quite right. Go229 flew many test flighs.
Go229V1 trials began at Oranienburg in May 1944. Later in 1944 prototype was wrecked when when the pilot forgot to retract long incidence pole before landing. However handling charachteristics proved outstandingly excellent wich lead to test flights of Go229 V2 in January 1945. Takeoff required less than 450m and handling was superb. This aircraft crashed later in March in landing approach due to sudden engine failure.
(i think Go229V1 was used with Jumo004s when it crashed, ive read they tried powered flights first with V1. V2 was jet powered from the start and flew some months. Go229 never saw combat.period.)
Do335 however was as close of combat use as can be. So it could be possible in AH as well as p-51H.
Do335A-0 and Do335A-1 were in operational evaluation by Erprobungskommando 335 after September 1944. They tried to avoid combat until tactics were more evaluated. Anyhow they had to test in airspace filled with allied planes so encounters did happen. But i never heard record of any 335 claiming kill or being shot down.
He162, Me262 and Me163 were all operational aircraft wich saw combat.
Ba 349 was ready and 10 of those were put in launch positions at Kirchheim but shortly after destroyed by ground personnel when allied tanks approached airfield. It didnt see any combat. 36 Ba349A Natters were completed, no numbers about Ba349B.
Most of info is from the back of my head, actual numbers are mostly from "Warplanes of the Luftwaffe" by David Donald Aerospace Publishing London/AIRtime publishing USA
ISBN 1 874023 27 1 /ISBN(usa) 1-880588-04-8
[This message has been edited by illo (edited 04-21-2001).]
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The US DID NOT lead the war in prop design nor engine design. You guys need to get the notion out of your heads that just because we won the war does not mean that we produced the best equipment. Hell, look the sherman, the S class sub, and the corsair in a nutshell. All were production nightmares, all were "revolutionary" at their precept, but proved utterly ordinary, if not dangerous in their performance. Think of it this way, if we had lost the war, all would be listed undert a show titled History's Blunders. Just because a product has pleasing astetics does not mean that they are a superior performer.
Take our (US) inline production. We, came up with the allison design, which should have been scrapped in favor of the british produced and designed Rolls royce merlin, which was far superior in all aspects to the allison. The germans also produced some of the BEst Radials as well as the Japanese. HEll the Germans pioneered the first true independent liquid cooling for Radials, and got FANTASTIC results in their 190A and F series.
The Hog does not turn fight for hell, and had many engine probs at alt, mainly leaking mags that caused them to arc at altitude. Fixed near the end of the war.
The sherman was a roman candle that burned avgas for its Pratt Engine and to incinerate itself and crew when hit by enemy fire. Yep, an aircraft engine in a tank.
The S class subs, what else to say than a work in progress.
The -4 Hog, saw LIMITED deployment during WW2. Thats why there are so few that ever made it into the civilian market. Most were scrapped off the production line.
The only thing I have found to be curious in AH is the strength characteristics of the 38, F4u's, and F6.
The F4u is built like a brick sh*t house. And should take enormous amounts of airframe damage. The ailerons are made of wood and phenolic. That means that it will not distort when struck by a shell. So chances are it will not be torn from the airframe when damaged. Also, the structure within the aircraft is unique as well. It incorporates alll metal construction with an early understanding of how to use a "honeycomb like" strength. Quite strong and able to take damage like no tomorrow.
The 38, it's limiting characteristics are the engines and compressability, but it's airframe is extremely strong. This aircraft is of all metal construction throughout. AH has yet to get the dive brakes and maneuver flaps effectively modeled on the 38, but hey, they did an excellent job otherwise. Of note: the 38 dive brakes, are not dive brakes in the true sense, they are a pair of spoilers located on the mid outboard under wing surface. When deployed, they create lift which in turn immediately forces the nose up on the aircraft. The flaps on the 38 also generate a massive amount of lift, allowing the aircraft to turn at much slower speeds than intended. All in all, an impressive aircraft, but inadequately powered with the allison.
The Hellcat is another member of the Grumman "IronWorks" line. That name in itself gives you an idea of how strong it is. And regardless of what half of you are going to argue, shot down more enemy aircraft than any other US plane. It's only fault seemed to remain in speed, and that was compensated for as the design progressed. Very impressive, extremely strong aircraft! But as is the case, aestetically not pleasing and hence relegated to the backwaters of history and gaming as a general rule. One thing I find to be interesting is that the Hellcat, which carries flaps dedicated to maneuver, curiously does not gain the benefit needed from them. Other than that, impressisve aircraft.
Anyways enough of this, off to work. BTW, this is not a line of b.s., I have a very thorough understanding of most warbirds as I rebuild them for a living.
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Originally posted by illo:
Not quite right. Go229 flew many test flighs.
Go229V1 trials began at Oranienburg in May 1944. Later in 1944 prototype was wrecked when when the pilot forgot to retract long incidence pole before landing. However handling charachteristics proved outstandingly excellent wich lead to test flights of Go229 V2 in January 1945. Takeoff required less than 450m and handling was superb. This aircraft crashed later in March in landing approach due to sudden engine failure.
(i think Go229V1 was used with Jumo004s when it crashed, ive read they tried powered flights first with V1. V2 was jet powered from the start and flew some months. Go229 never saw combat.period.)
The V1 never really crashed, the forward nose gear was retracted because the airfield was too short to support this aircraft's landing speed and length. The V1 was the glider version and was used as a flight characteristics test bed, it was made of wood and steel tubing construction. The V2 crashed after a 45 minute checkride with Leutnant Ziller at the controls. The right engine experienced a flame out, but after that no one knows for sure what happened and what caused the crash. The V3 was going to be an unarmed, twin jet engine, single seat aircraft that was never completed.
-SW
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I'm one off these "lotsa ordonance and ammo"
dweebs wow sounds very... advantage (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ispar,
There were 205 P-38's built in 1941 and 2 P-47's. Which is exactly my point about the limited production of A/C before the war. Just look at Pearl Harbor on 7 Dec.1941. Not exactly the mecca of fighter technology at the time. Also I would debate you on the turning ability of the F4U as well as the timeline of the fixes of the high alt ignition problems, however I am out of time.
Bodhi,
Many F4U-1 were scrapped at the end of hostilities but the F4U-4 didn't even go out of production. In fact it remained a front line Fighter/bomber through the Korean war. The Production of the F4U-5 didn't even begin until after the war. And the F4U-6 or AU-1 started production during the Korean conflict. In fact the F4U-4 is the highest produced model of the F4U in the entire production run.
Later
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Originally posted by illo:
And are there any pilots that became ace in f4u1-c?
[This message has been edited by illo (edited 04-20-2001).]
Jim Sweet of VMF-221, USS Bunker Hill, scored some victories in a F4U-1C over Okinawa in May of 1945, but he was an ace before then.
His story of that fight is in "Aces Against Japan II" by Eric Hammel.
An interesting point he makes is that his cannons tended to freeze up at 25K.
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You have all gone crazy with those planes.
AH does not need any more '45 rare planes.
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janjan, thank you for injecting some sanity into this drooling uberfest.
ra
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I don't want any 1945 planes. I would really like certain RAF aircraft that were introduced from 1942 to Jan. 1944.
Is that too much to be asked?
OK, so I asked for the A7M2 Reppu "Sam" as a Japanese perk, that is only 1 aircraft.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak