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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tango on May 30, 2009, 09:35:08 AM
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Print ShareThisRIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted of brutally slaying an 11-year-old boy and his father, the Interior Ministry announced.
According to the statement issued by the ministry Friday, shop owner Ahmed al-Anzi molested the boy and then strangled him with a length of rope. He then stabbed the boy's father to death when the man came looking for his son.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523364,00.html?test=latestnews
Wish the rest of the world would get rid of them the same way.
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:rock
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Right on.
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Didn't know anyone still did crucifixion.
That's pretty interesting.
Well, if there's one thing to like about Saudi Arabia...
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Would be better if they crucified him first.....a slow and lingering death.
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Would be better if they crucified him first.....a slow and lingering death.
Yeah, I'm perplexed by the logic of beheading first. If you're going to punish to this extent, may as well go all the way. :lol
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Sometimes even barbarians, by their very lack of sophistication, do things more efficiently than civilized folk.
Strictly speaking, I don't believe in a government-enforced death penalty.
I DO believe in an armed populace, jury nullification, and the validity of the "he had it coming, therefore not guilty!" defense in court, *particularly* for vengeful parents. :aok
Although it could be argued that turning these particular offenders out into the general prison population is a punishment worse than death.
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Sometimes even barbarians, by their very lack of sophistication, do things more efficiently than civilized folk.
Strictly speaking, I don't believe in a government-enforced death penalty.
I DO believe in an armed populace, jury nullification, and the validity of the "he had it coming, therefore not guilty!" defense in court, *particularly* for vengeful parents. :aok
Although it could be argued that turning these particular offenders out into the general prison population is a punishment worse than death.
Beside an eye for an eye type punishment, I think this is about the most appropriate sentencing this guy could have gotten.
Sent a message, too. A decapitated, crucified body hanging in public is going to make sure very few children are molested and murdered in Saudi Arabia for a while, I would think.
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Beside an eye for an eye type punishment, I think this is about the most appropriate sentencing this guy could have gotten.
Sent a message, too. A decapitated, crucified body hanging in public is going to make sure very few children are molested and murdered in Saudi Arabia for a while, I would think.
Or it just means they will try harder not to be caught.
I still think the punishment was good though.
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Beside an eye for an eye type punishment, I think this is about the most appropriate sentencing this guy could have gotten.
Sent a message, too. A decapitated, crucified body hanging in public is going to make sure very few children are molested and murdered in Saudi Arabia for a while, I would think.
You know, there is a certain amount of evidence that the certainty of justice and swiftness of justice is a huge deterrent, and that this certainty and swiftness are largely more important than the severity of the punishment itself.
Of course, when it comes to this *certainty* I speak of, the widely-held impression is more important than the reality. I sometimes wonder if the 1,001 T.V. shows about forensic work we have nowadays are an attempt to convince the populace they will always be caught if they commit a crime.
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As much as I have zero tolerance for child molesters, I do understand that they are sick people, who cannot be cured. As such, torture and less than humane methods of execution are not called for. A simple bullet to the back of the head would be sufficient. I am pro death penalty, and pro harsh and severe sentencing, don't get me wrong, I believe in hard time, hard labor, and no privileges as well. But mentally sick people, as in the criminally insane, should be executed in the same manner as any other criminal, quickly and efficiently.
As an aside, by the way, when the Constitution was written, the men who wrote it, and included the clauses that forbid cruel and unusual punishment, were using hanging and the firing squad as methods of execution. They did not consider hanging or the firing squad to be either cruel or unusual. Therefore either of those methods are quite acceptable. So, lethal injection should not be considered cruel and unusual, by any stretch, since they anesthetize a subject before they stop the heart and lungs. In fact, any method of lethal injection would be far more kind than they deserve. Go back to shooting them and hanging them, it works. Most of their victims suffered worse.
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Huh...A normal heterosexual can endure celibacy without resorting to rape, so I don't see how child molesters get off the moral hook. But I agree torture as opposed to quick kill really isn't suitable...it is about maintaining what we (as a society are), not how "bad" the criminal being punished is.
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I'm all for chemical castration and a full frontal lobotomy myself.
That or chain them to a chair and glue their eyes open and force them to watch the Teletubbies 24/7.
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Huh...A normal heterosexual can endure celibacy without resorting to rape, so I don't see how child molesters get off the moral hook.
Maybe that's why the priesthood is under such scrutiny of late. hmmm..
in any case, I do not agree with the execution part. That's getting them off the hook lightly. Me? I believe in eye for an eye sort of deal: build a prison for gay criminals where the inmates are kept isolated from each other except during the once a day, unsupervised, 20 minute time in the yard. Oh.. and his cell is the yard.
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I believe in eye for an eye sort of deal: build a prison for gay criminals where the inmates are kept isolated from each other except during the once a day, unsupervised, 20 minute time in the yard. Oh.. and his cell is the yard.
It's a mistake to say that because a man molests a boy he is a homosexual.
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Roll on Sharia - it's the AH way!
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It's a mistake to say that because a man molests a boy he is a homosexual.
It is also a mistake to say that he is a "heterosexual", as in "well you know most child molesters are heterosexual"...these deviants are outside such labels.
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It's a mistake to say that because a man molests a boy he is a homosexual.
Doesn't matter if he was gay, if it had been a little girl he should have recieved the same punishment. Either way they should all be put down for crimes such as this regardless of thier preferance.
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It is also a mistake to say that he is a "heterosexual", as in "well you know most child molesters are heterosexual"...these deviants are outside such labels.
Agreed. I roll my eyes just as much when someone says "they're all heterosexual."
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Didn't know anyone still did crucifixion.
That's pretty interesting.
Well, if there's one thing to like about Saudi Arabia...
During a port visit in the early 90's to Saudi Arabia, they held a public stoning for someone convicted of a crime, our ship abruptly cancelled liberty that day as you could imagine.
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During a port visit in the early 90's to Saudi Arabia, they held a public stoning for someone convicted of a crime, our ship abruptly cancelled liberty that day as you could imagine.
They aren't perfect. Other crimes have WAY too harsh a penalty for what was done. However this one I completely support.
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What? The punishment actually fitting the crime? How perposterous! :devil
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Molesting and abusing kids, most of all slave kids, is very common in Arab countries. Why do you think Mikey Jackson ran there after his trial?
Who knows? This guy might have been trumped up on charges. The place is a Religious Dictatorship where the Govt. controls the Press.
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I wonder if the Saudi judiciary are perfect and never convict the wrong person or reach the wrong verdict....
Miscarriage of justice is my big problem with harsh punishments.
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I wonder if the Saudi judiciary are perfect and never convict the wrong person or reach the wrong verdict....
Miscarriage of justice is my big problem with harsh punishments.
He hid both the bodies in his shop, the statement said, adding that al-Anzi threatened police with a knife when they came to arrest him.
Sounds like they got the right guy.
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Sounds like they got the right guy.
No doubt they do - most of the time.
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So your against the death penalty?
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People who oppose the death penalty ought to put themsleves at the front of the line to be victimized. See how long that liberal tendency lasts.
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People who oppose the death penalty ought to put themsleves at the front of the line to be victimized. See how long that liberal tendency lasts.
Dang.... I gotta agree with him again.... :lol
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Its not that I'm against the death penalty. Its just that I'm against the Saudis, dont believe a word they say, and wouldn't trust 'em as far as I could throw them. They, and the other Gulf Arabs, have a long history of slavery, child abduction, child rape. Why do you think Mikey Jackson went there after his trial?
They marry off their daughters when they are still kids. As wives and woman they have zero rights, including very few legal rights. The Saudi legal system is simply an extension of the medieval Wahhabi totalitarianism that is also the driving spiritual force behind terrorism. Which is also why Saudi society is the biggest financier and supporter of Islamic terror on the planet. Try walking down a Saudi street with a bible in your hand, or showing a crucifix, and their religious Police will give you a good beating for it. Thats right. Not only are other religions unlawful the Saudis also consider them a threat.
So while I'm all for the death penalty, most of all for kiddie rapists "and Ive locked my share up" I'm certainly not ever going to say I admire this intolerant religious theocratic Dictatorship. They are slick and no doubt realize this kinda headline will look good to the west, most of all America, but they aren't about to release headlines about the 12yo Bangladeshi child slaves they tie to camels for their races. And then do God knows what to them when they get home. I doubt a rich Saudi, tied directly to the head rag, gets in much trouble for playing with his kiddie slaves.
As far as I'm concerned were shooting the wrong A-rabs over there. The Saudis should have been first on the hit parade.
I wonder if the Saudi judiciary are perfect and never convict the wrong person or reach the wrong verdict....
Oh I bet they are batting 1.000 with their convictions.
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I doubt anyone in hear admires the Saudi's judicial system. We just agree that that is the right punishment for anyone who molests a child or murders someone.
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I doubt anyone in hear admires the Saudi's judicial system. We just agree that that is the right punishment for anyone who molests a child or murders someone.
They are truly scum. I had one once who raped a 1yo girl.
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It's funny how quickly we become uncivilized when something is perceived as a threat to our children. Just dispose of them if that's what the law requires; no need to get medieval.
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So your against the death penalty?
I'm for the state holding itself to a higher standard than the criminals and for recognizing if there is any doubt whatsoever about the conviction, the death penalty cannot be applied.
I'm certainly not for making a public spectacle of executions.
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I'm for the state holding itself to a higher standard than the criminals and for recognizing if there is any doubt whatsoever about the conviction, the death penalty cannot be applied.
I'm certainly not for making a public spectacle of executions.
What standard do the criminals use? Many of the so called "hardened criminals" aren't reformable, they don't care what society or the world thinks about them. They do what they want or what they can get away with because to them, it's all about power. On the outside, power is all that matters to them, be it alone or in a gang, he who has the power, rules. If they can't be rehabilitated, they are no use to society. My thoughts are, why are we, the taxpayers, paying to feed and clothe and house them? They can't be released into society without them doing harm to said society.....why are we even bothering to keep them alive?
Dunno how Kalifornia's statues read, but IIRC, most states don't say "beyond any doubt".....it's something similiar, but usually what I remember is beyond a "reasonable" doubt. Meaning that we as humans are not perfect and we do make mistakes, but given the evidence presented, we are
sure beyond a reasonable doubt that this person is guilty or NOT guilty (depending on the verdict reached).
Public executions...........I used to be like you, thought it would be gruesome, not something that the public should see.
Now I think bringing back public hangings and the like might be part of the answer. Not the whole answer, but part of it.
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It's funny how quickly we become uncivilized when something is perceived as a threat to our children. Just dispose of them if that's what the law requires; no need to get medieval.
If it were my children that had been victimized in this case, I could not fathom the anger and rage that would torment me for the rest of my life if I didn't get my revenge for his actions, a guilty verdict simply is not enough for me, they could at least afford the family members and I an exclusive 10 minute timed evolution alone with the condemned person,,, It would be far cheaper and more gratifying for everyone involved that's for sure and would really send a message that you don't ever want to get caught touching a child in a mannor as that again... IMO
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That's only natural. However the justice system cannot take personal or emotional considerations like that. These people already think they will get away with it, otherwise they wouldn't do it, so no manner of punishment is going to deter them.