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Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: funked on April 20, 2001, 10:14:00 PM: How long do we have to wait for one of the most underrated RAF Fighters?

(http://www.raf303.org/funked/twinspit.jpg)
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: XNachoX on April 20, 2001, 10:38:00 PM: crazy 'ole brits....and that's all i got to say about that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: -=Silo=- on April 20, 2001, 11:00:00 PM: Heres the perked version (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

(http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=view_photo&ID_Community=SilosPics&ID_Topic=2&ID_Message=39)
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Mitsu on April 20, 2001, 11:53:00 PM: rofl Silo.
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Dinger on April 21, 2001, 12:09:00 AM: Silo, this is a serious request. Quit making fun of the poor spitfire fans.
(LMAO, btw)
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Staga on April 21, 2001, 01:06:00 AM: Funked there is already a game which has modelled all those planes; Look here (http://www.microsoft.com/games/crimsonskies/img/screens/Kestrel_flying.jpg) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Squidzilla on April 21, 2001, 06:56:00 AM: Well, with three pilots in that beastie someone would surely be able to tend to the tea!
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 21, 2001, 08:38:00 PM: ROFL Silo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Jigster on April 22, 2001, 12:05:00 PM: I'd think that the pilots fighting with the multiple sets of trim tabs would make it rather unstable (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Dinger on April 22, 2001, 12:15:00 PM: While working on another project, I saw (and scanned in) a photo of one of these things in an article on the opening of a museum contained in the Illustrated London News in 1950 (I've got the details and will look them up if nayone's interested. It's somewhere in the November 9 issue. It was just one of many planes pictured, and there wasn't much writeup). Anyway, I reduced it here:
(http://members.home.net/dinger666/black/iln9XI50spit.JPG)

I think it's a IXt, Funked can you help?
I too am curious about the trim tab issue. Were they all linked?

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Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: funked on April 22, 2001, 12:24:00 PM: Jig the first prototype had just the outer trim tabs, (standard Mk. IX elevator section was used) but the test pilots found that there was not enough trim authority, so the second and third prototypes had the extra tabs added on the center elevator section.

There was no problem with fighting because the navigator/observer in the right seat didn't have controls, in anticipation of the radar equipment which was added on prototype number four (NF Mk. IXt).
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: funked on April 22, 2001, 12:26:00 PM: Yes Dinger that looks like a photo of the first prototype. Note that armament is not installed, and the normal Spitfire mainwheels are used instead of the enlarged units fitted to later prototypes.
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: XNachoX on April 22, 2001, 02:14:00 PM: (first spitfire pilot) BREAK LEFT! (second spitfire pilot) NO NO NO BREAK RIGHT! .....CCRACCCCKKKKK......now they have 2 spitfires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Dinger on April 22, 2001, 02:38:00 PM: I would remind you guys that the RAF was not the only group to experiment in the twin-plane design:
(http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/DualHeinkel111.jpg)
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Dinger on April 23, 2001, 08:43:00 AM: There is something that's been bothering me.
The IXt seems to be like the He-111z in being basically two fuselages stuck together (at least it looks like it to me), but yet like the P-82 Twin Mustang, it seems to have counter-rotating props. Doesn't that necessitate a different engine design for the left-handed prop?
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Staga on April 23, 2001, 09:07:00 AM: Just re-designing of reduction gears between engine and prop.
Kinda like in P-38's Allisons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Some info about how Radial engines and reduction gears work: http://www.nomeking.com/radials.htm (http://www.nomeking.com/radials.htm)

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Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: juzz on April 25, 2001, 12:22:00 AM: *sniff* *sniff* - definitely something fishy going on here...
Title: Spitfire Mk. IXt
Post by: Dinger on April 25, 2001, 05:46:00 PM: Ok staga, but those Allisons had different designations for the left and right motors, that's why I thought they might involve different processes.

OH, and the P-82 was a maintenance nightmare IIRC, did the RAF have similar difficulties in keeping the Spit IXt airworthy?

juzz, I know it sounds odd, but both the Germans and the British flew twin-plane designs in WWII. What I find fishy is how the LW types crow about their 111Z, which was a glider tug and of which there were what, never more than a dozen? Yet here is a fighter, whose only crime is being a spitfire, and nobody has championed its cause.