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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on June 03, 2009, 11:50:01 PM
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The main reason people won't fly a spitfire is because then you have no excuse for why you died. There is an element of wanting 'more challenge' in there, obviously. There is also the obvious fact that not everyone likes the look of the spitfire (filthy heathens).
Both these facts fall to the number one fact. It's pretty much just as likely that you will die in most of the spitfires, as say a P40E. If you are marked to be slaughtered in the MA, the plane does not matter much unless you can run faster than everything else. Most spitfires cannot.
I honestly believe it is mostly that when people fly a spitfire and die quickly, they find themself lacking in any credible excuse.
:noid
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I don't fly Spits because I don't like them. I fly the P-40E because it's different and decidedly non-uber. I would probably still get pwned flying a Spit16, but at least I can die with dignity. :D
EDIT: There is nothing better than beating a Spit in a P-40. Then the Spit driver can't have an excuse why he died.
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I LOVE my Seafire :rock :rock :rock
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u7/rattfink31/RATTSEAFIRE.png)
:noid
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People don't/won't fly them ? I see hundreds every time I log in.
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ah good point Messiah.
Does this mean I cannot believe everything i read on the boards? Are some people saying one thing and doing another?? Perish the thought.
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ah good point Messiah.
Does this mean I cannot believe everything i read on the boards? Are some people saying one thing and doing another?? Perish the thought.
:lol
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<insert Benny Hill music>
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The main reason people won't fly a spitfire is because then you have no excuse for why you died. There is an element of wanting 'more challenge' in there, obviously. There is also the obvious fact that not everyone likes the look of the spitfire (filthy heathens).
Both these facts fall to the number one fact. It's pretty much just as likely that you will die in most of the spitfires, as say a P40E. If you are marked to be slaughtered in the MA, the plane does not matter much unless you can run faster than everything else. Most spitfires cannot.
I honestly believe it is mostly that when people fly a spitfire and die quickly, they find themself lacking in any credible excuse.
:noid
I know we are squadmates and all so i say this to help you. Im trying to be your friend and mentor.
STOP SNIFFING GLUE!!!! (sir) :furious :huh :) :D
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is that all he is sniffing? :D
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i sure hope so :noid
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lol Nilsen, you dont count. You have a legit reason for disliking the spitefire. Jeeps are so much more usefull to vikings. Thank you sir, for your concern.
:salute
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I love flying my spit8
but they are fragile and need persistence to shoot enemy down
its not one pass boom at all (well sometimes if your lucky)
you have to stick to your enemy's 6 like glue to keep at em ( a lotta fun)
& you have to turn and fight enemy even if you want to flee
limited ammo too if you want to bag a few scalps...
But shes as good looking as an E type Jag
I love my spit
self confessed Dweeb & Proud
Jimmy
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I never fly the Spitfires because they're already flown too much.
Just my way to 'balance' things out :)
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=D i feel invincible when I fly a spit. Omg just imagine what you can do w/ it !
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This is why I like to fly the rarely seen planes, plenty of excuses :D
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This is why I like to fly the rarely seen planes, plenty of excuses :D
:D
'...you were lucky my RV-8 doesn't carry any guns'
'...pretty easy ho'ing my Ar-234!'
'...I couldn't turn with you in my lanc!'
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I can see right now that I'll have to set you brits straight on a few things. First of all Spitfires are ugly. They look like a turd with wings. They can't dive, climb, turn, outrun, catchup, or outshoot anything but another Spitfire. The wings are weak....just like the guns. They suck gas like there's no tomorrow. As soon as you take off you have to turn around and go land, for you're out of fuel!
When I blow by a spitfire in my shiney american killing machine with mean looking shark teeth painted on the nose, I am usually flipping them the bird and mooning them as I collect the scalp that was on their six.
Spitfires seem to lose control alot, for I see them flopping like a fish out of water when I'm about to saw their pink wings off.
Yes gentlemen, sad as it is there are not 1 but 2 models of pink spitfires :lol I'd venture to say the queen has a soft spot for those. Come to think of it, there's alot of queens, fancy lads and dandy boys that enjoy a fish floppin' sortie aboard a pink machine :lol
I must close for now as I am laughing uncontrollably at the very thought of the spitfire 1,5,8,9,16,14.....and seafire. My goodness that's alot of Spitfires.
P.S. Churchill would sneak across the pond at night a fly P51s. :devil(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/sSc_hiding2.gif)
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Spits are excellent aircraft if you use them for what they are designed to do. But for me I fly the hurricane IIC because of one fact and dont care what people say about this. But with so many noobs if someone tries for the HO in their Spits then a Hurri IIC can give them a warm greeting to the Aces High :rofl
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Uptown, you owe me a cup of tea ya sod - just snorted mine outta me nose (first time in a long time thats happened)
*makes mental note, hunt for Uptown when next up lol....*
:salute
Wurzel (Self confessed spit dweeb (and the worst pilot ingame))
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your right, I want to fly something that is less rare, saddly, that also includes 109, 190 and a whole host of other places that are really great. . . I mean, if you are really good then sure, fly the P-40 and rule with it. . . but the spit is such a great plane its hard not to choise it when you just want to have a good time.
Like when I fly the YAK, I spend a lot of time just being really pissed off that my guns are pretty awful, I have very little ammo so I second guess my shots and such - I realise there is a reason why people don't fly them a lot. . . not because they are nessisaraly harder to fly, but because I tend to spend a lot of time taking off and landing in one.
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I must be the only player in AH that can't fly a spit, I always seem to find myself in a flat spin falling to earth whenever I fly one. In fact once I looked at one on the tarmac and it immediately flipped upside down and crashed.
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I'd fly a Spitfire, but then again I have a pair.. :aok
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Filthy heathen here, just never have liked the Spit. Great plane just not my cup of tea, always loved the Hellcat and Corsair.
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I really like the handling on the spits in most circumstances. However, I hate the fact that if someone gets on your six the wings fall off. The bogey doesn't even have to fire. The plane itself senses the enemy and goes "OHNOOEESS!!" and it poops off it's wings.... :huh
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I'd fly a Spitfire, but then again I have a pair.. :aok
:aok
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Yes gentlemen, sad as it is there are not 1 but 2 models of pink spitfires :lol I'd venture to say the queen has a soft spot for those. Come to think of it, there's alot of queens, fancy lads and dandy boys that enjoy a fish floppin' sortie aboard a pink machine :lol
Real men fly pink Spit IX's!
Where's Levis Pink Panther video when you need it ;)
[edit] Here she is in all her Pinky glory -
http://dasmuppets.com/public/Morph/panthermorph.wmv (http://dasmuppets.com/public/Morph/panthermorph.wmv)
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:salute
edit: not that I mind someone credited to morpheus, but I actualy made that pink pather film for levi.
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<S> Kev, your my hero for making such fantastic Spitfire skins!
I wonder if there was ever a pink XVI flying about in WW2. :rofl
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<S> Kev, your my hero for making such fantastic Spitfire skins!
I wonder if there was ever a pink XVI flying about in WW2. :rofl
Thanks.
Nope, never a Pink XVI, mores the pity lol.
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Nope, never a Pink XVI, mores the pity lol.
:(
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I must be the only player in AH that can't fly a spit, I always seem to find myself in a flat spin falling to earth whenever I fly one. In fact once I looked at one on the tarmac and it immediately flipped upside down and crashed.
Not the only one I assure you! Flew one in FSO 2 weeks ago, felt like a sumo wrestler desperately trying to win the tap dance part in a vaudville play :rofl :rofl
BTW spits are for kids :aok
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BTW Kev, what software do you use to render the skins. :D
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BTW Kev, what software do you use to render the skins. :D
All done in Paint Shop Pro at full size (1024x1024x32bit colour).
Saved as a bitmap.
Then reduced to 256 colours using Brighter (does a better job than PSPro). You can get it here -
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/downloads/general/12/brighter-31/ (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/downloads/general/12/brighter-31/)
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Thank you very much Kev, I'm going build my new P.C soon, I miss creating Art in PSPPX2.
If you ever have any free time on your hands, I would love to pick your brain over vent. :aok
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spits are fun for low, close furballs
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I'm sorry but the first post of this thread is sooooo true. Not for every spit pilot, for some people really have an affinity for it. I respect that. But you all have to know that there is some truth to this topic :D
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=D i feel invincible when I fly a spit.
This is exactly why I'm going to quit flying Spitfires. Maybe I'll quit doing stupid things.
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I love duelling in Spitfire Mk. XVI's, I can pull some cobraesq manoeuvres in them.
I also feel really sorry for the people who "refuse" to fly such a beautiful and epic A/C, their loss I suppose. If the Spitfire was an American creation, I'm sure it would be a completely different story.
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The main reason people won't fly a spitfire is because then you have no excuse for why you died. There is an element of wanting 'more challenge' in there, obviously. There is also the obvious fact that not everyone likes the look of the spitfire (filthy heathens).
Both these facts fall to the number one fact. It's pretty much just as likely that you will die in most of the spitfires, as say a P40E. If you are marked to be slaughtered in the MA, the plane does not matter much unless you can run faster than everything else. Most spitfires cannot.
I honestly believe it is mostly that when people fly a spitfire and die quickly, they find themself lacking in any credible excuse.
:noid
The main reason... they are boring.
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I also feel really sorry for the people who "refuse" to fly such a beautiful and epic A/C, their loss I suppose. If the Spitfire was an American creation, I'm sure it would be a completely different story.
The Spitfire series are the most popular planes in the game. There are probably more US players flying spits than all the other world's players combined.
As for anti spit players on the boards, I think the main reason is that they are too 'epic'. Why break a walnut open with a sledgehammer when a nutcracker will do?
Kazaa don't you ever get tired of slaughtering every plane you come in contact with in less than two turns? You could probably slaughter >95% of the arena in a typhoon in a turn fight instead of the comfortable 100% slaughtering rate in the Spit9/Spit16 where you currently stand. If there's no chance of losing, I don't see the point of playing. That's the reason I don't fly spits.
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If there's no chance of losing, I don't see the point of playing. That's the reason I don't fly spits.
Says the man who flies with quite a few exclusive 109K4 and 152 fans. Two planes that you only die in if you want to.
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Grizz,
I have a huge historical attachment with Spitfire, that’s the main reason I fly them so much.
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Says the man who flies with quite a few exclusive 109K4 and 152 fans. Two planes that you only die in if you want to.
I think I have a better K/D ratio in the K4 then I do in any Mk. of Spitfire.
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No surprise, its a better plane than any of the spitfires we have in game.
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I must be the only player in AH that can't fly a spit
Naw...there are a few of us here. I just don't like the spit. I like killin' em. Granted, they kill me alot, but I don't care. :rolleyes: I have had the great pleasure in knocking a few out of the sky with my Ki-84. :devil
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Two planes that you only die in if you want to.
Care to elaborate? I'd really like to hear this.
While we're at it, lets just go ahead and make this a British/American pissing match. Yall take so much offense to people's distaste for spitfires. For the record, I hate P51Ds and Spitfires equally. I must be a neo Nazi or something since I love german rides. :rolleyes:
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I must be a neo Nazi or something since I love german rides. :rolleyes:
i would really hate for this to be true seeing i only fly german planes, minus the F4U1D off a CV.
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Then I must be a neo nazi also, as I just said the K4 is better than any spitfire in the game.
:noid
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Care to elaborate? I'd really like to hear this.
For the record, I hate P51Ds
:cry
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What a clever thread designed to bash LW ridez
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Spits are a terrific plane, I quite like the spit IX.
K4 is also a great plane, and its quite easy to die in if you fly like me. If you bnz with it, you will live, its fast and can out run darn near everything. K4 IMO is one of the trickiest birds to master, but when it is mastered, its hard to beat.
Who am I kidding, I like to fly all the planes, they're all so much fun. Why would anyone stick to just a select few?
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Spit IX> insert any plane here :aok
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What a clever thread designed to bash LW ridez
[snip]... as I just said the K4 is better than any spitfire in the game.
:confused:
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:confused:
:aok
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The main reason people won't fly a spitfire is because then you have no excuse for why you died. There is an element of wanting 'more challenge' in there, obviously. There is also the obvious fact that not everyone likes the look of the spitfire (filthy heathens).
Both these facts fall to the number one fact. It's pretty much just as likely that you will die in most of the spitfires, as say a P40E. If you are marked to be slaughtered in the MA, the plane does not matter much unless you can run faster than everything else. Most spitfires cannot.
I honestly believe it is mostly that when people fly a spitfire and die quickly, they find themself lacking in any credible excuse.
:noid
if your good....and lucky you can fly and survive in most any plane in the game :aok
spit 16 should be perked i think <----------its a killa
froger
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Says the man who flies with quite a few exclusive 109K4 and 152 fans. Two planes that you only die in if you want to.
Troll
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<insert Benny Hill music>
I got thrown out of the Hollybrook cemetery for running around "singing" that tune, once I'd found his grave. I blame cheap cider.
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Here some random reasons not to fly spits:
- Spits are boring.
- Spits are arcade.
- Spits are crutches.
- Spits are way too common.
- Spits are for dweebs.
- Spits won't make you a better person.
To be fair though, the Spit 1 is the exception of the rule.
:devil
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I can understand why people fly them. They are a blast and the history of their service goes without saying. If i were British, you wouldn't get me out of one. I agree with the ones that say they are too common. They're everywhere all the time.
For me the game is about country pride and the history that goes with it. I hate to have to fight other allied rides when all i'm really insteaded in are the Axis enemy. And quite frankly they are better at what they do, then any american plane. And to beat one you have to know a little something about tactics.
In the MA they are a perfect dogfighting plane. :)
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Here some random reasons not to fly spits:
- Spits are boring.
- Spits are arcade.
- Spits are crutches.
- Spits are way too common.
- Spits are for dweebs.
- Spits won't make you a better person.
:confused:
I had more fun than the law allows flying only spits last tour. Surviving in a spit IX, in my opinion, is a lot more difficult than surviving in a P-51 because the Spit isnt as fast as it, and many times in a situation where the pony will be able to safely run away, the spit has to fight its way out of trouble. :aok
<----Spit 9 dweeb :rock
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:confused:
I had more fun than the law allows flying only spits last tour. Surviving in a spit IX, in my opinion, is a lot more difficult than surviving in a P-51 because the Spit isnt as fast as it, and many times in a situation where the pony will be able to safely run away, the spit has to fight its way out of trouble. :aok
<----Spit 9 dweeb :rock
You must realize though, in a game, unlike in real life, the fun and ease of killing in a plane is as important as the ability to disengage at will. Get shot down by a gang after you take down that fifth bandit, you just re-up do it again next sortie. Repeat ad infinitum. This explains how such planes as the HurriIIC continue to be used in the LW MA.
Tangentially related to this point, remember that fighter is not just scored on k/d...it is also scored on kills/sorties, kills/time, and hit%.
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I enjoy the Spit 16 every now and then for fun...but i couldnt stand to fly it a lot its just way to easy of a plane
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Here some random reasons not to fly spits:
- Spits are boring.
- Spits are arcade.
- Spits are crutches.
- Spits are way too common.
- Spits are for dweebs.
- Spits won't make you a better person.
To be fair though, the Spit 1 is the exception of the rule.
:devil
You left out, spits are for kids :aok
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Stop it!!! Ya'll are talking me into flying a Spit!!!
Ren
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The main reasons I fly a Spitfire:
(1) They're fun.
(2) They're maneuverable.
(3) They're versatile.
(4) They have a decent guns package.
(5) They make you cry, and your tears feed me.
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I fly Spitfires because they are cute and easy to fly!
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/rc_spitfire.jpg)
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Every time I get called a Spit dweeb I get a hard on.
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The main reasons I fly a Spitfire:
(1) They're fun.
(2) They're maneuverable.
(3) They're versatile.
(4) They have a decent guns package.
(5) They make you cry, and your tears feed me.
excelent!
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I fly the P-40E over the Spit...more fun for me...nothing against Spit drivers. But the P-40 is sexy...
(http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/ozcrashes/nsw32-03.jpg)
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I got thrown out of the Hollybrook cemetery for running around "singing" that tune, once I'd found his grave. I blame cheap cider.
:rofl
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I don't agree with the OP at all... I get bored when flying a Spitfire, never any heart racing dogfights in my opinion, it has nothing to do with excuses. I used to fly them all the time when I first started playing the game (Spit 8 mostly), used to get ruled all the time, but it was a good learning aircraft. I eventually got bored and wanted to fly something more challenging, always seemed strange to me that others didn't feel the same way and I suppose that's why they are frustrating. Although, I do realize that some people love the plane other than for it's dogfight performance... Though it's hard to think about that when they accelerate from a stall and still catch you doing 300... :rolleyes:
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Though it's hard to think about that when they accelerate from a stall and still catch you doing 300... :rolleyes:
(http://www.themotherhood.com/im/uploads/m/305_1223345937.jpg)
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<-----Spit8 dweeb
<-----Spit9 dweeb
before
<------F4U-1A dweeb :devil
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I wish I was too cool to fly certain cartoon planes. Some of you are truly my heroes. :rolleyes:
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I wish I was too cool to fly certain cartoon planes. Some of you are truly my heroes. :rolleyes:
I'm not sure this has anythig to do with being cool.
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The only valid reason I can see for not choosing a spitfire is so that people will actualy fight you. Fighting Spitfires seem to scare people into 'one pass then run' tactics more than anything else. I've seen people who are more willing to turn fight a zeke than a spitfire. That is the only downside I can see.
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I just LOVE the Spits in fire? ;) .... but NO, I cannot see any reason trying to turn fight against them.
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When I played the spit 16 was my main ride. When you fight 5v1 low on the deck or trying to clear a dar bar the spit is my plane. Also Levi handed my ash to me so many times that he showed that 1 good spit pilot could control the fight and win most fights when your at a disadvantage.
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!
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When I played the spit 16 was my main ride. When you fight 5v1 low on the deck or trying to clear a dar bar the spit is my plane. Also Levi handed my ash to me so many times that he showed that 1 good spit pilot could control the fight and win most fights when your at a disadvantage.
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!
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I'll take a Spit driver who'll fight at a disadvantage over a tater-chuckin' cherry-pickin' alt-monkey K4 dweeb any day of the week.
(Ever notice how Spit drivers never pi** and moan all over the forums if they don't get 1-shot kills with every shot?) :cry
Plus, Spits just look cooler. :cool:
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I can see right now that I'll have to set you brits straight on a few things. First of all Spitfires are ugly. They look like a turd with wings. They can't dive, climb, turn, outrun, catchup, or outshoot anything but another Spitfire. The wings are weak....just like the guns. They suck gas like there's no tomorrow. As soon as you take off you have to turn around and go land, for you're out of fuel!
When I blow by a spitfire in my shiney american killing machine with mean looking shark teeth painted on the nose, I am usually flipping them the bird and mooning them as I collect the scalp that was on their six.
Spitfires seem to lose control alot, for I see them flopping like a fish out of water when I'm about to saw their pink wings off.
Yes gentlemen, sad as it is there are not 1 but 2 models of pink spitfires :lol I'd venture to say the queen has a soft spot for those. Come to think of it, there's alot of queens, fancy lads and dandy boys that enjoy a fish floppin' sortie aboard a pink machine :lol
I must close for now as I am laughing uncontrollably at the very thought of the spitfire 1,5,8,9,16,14.....and seafire. My goodness that's alot of Spitfires.
P.S. Churchill would sneak across the pond at night a fly P51s. :devil(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/sSc_hiding2.gif)
yeah but you missed one thing, we nammed a beer..well an Ale, after the spitfire and named it..."Spitfire" and then check out these ubber cool advertisment slogans!
http://www.spitfireale.co.uk/advertising/index.htm
http://www.spitfireale.co.uk/advertising/cartoons.htm
I mean come on..how cool is that! :rock
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I fly the P-40E over the Spit...more fun for me...nothing against Spit drivers. But the P-40 is sexy...
(http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/ozcrashes/nsw32-03.jpg)
You look like Ben Affleck in that P-40, you know. :P
Oh... wait...
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The only valid reason I can see for not choosing a spitfire is so that people will actualy fight you. Fighting Spitfires seem to scare people into 'one pass then run' tactics more than anything else. I've seen people who are more willing to turn fight a zeke than a spitfire. That is the only downside I can see.
I don't think so. Spits get fought as much as much as most other planes get.
The reason not to choose a Spit is to choose the difficulter, but in the end the more rewarding ride. Just an example.
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The only valid reason I can see for not choosing a spitfire is so that people will actualy fight you. Fighting Spitfires seem to scare people into 'one pass then run' tactics more than anything else. I've seen people who are more willing to turn fight a zeke than a spitfire. That is the only downside I can see.
Key words in bold and I doubt they're the truth. The fact, and pretty much anyone with a clue knows this, is that spitfires don't require much effort to win fights with. Just work your way past any initial energy disadvantage and it's all downhill effort from there. The envelope is simple enough for you to make all sorts of mistake and get away with it. All of this comes at the cost of top speed and relatively light armament. Even if the envelope is easy and fool proof enough to mostly nullify this lighter armament, it all makes for a package that's pretty pedestrian, regardless of how effective it is. It's no speed demon.
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(http://www.themotherhood.com/im/uploads/m/305_1223345937.jpg)
I'm confused by the connotation of that picture... Are you laughing at me, or with me?
The sentence you posted that too was supposed to be a hyperbole... :P
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At you mate, at you. :aok
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I fly Spitfires because they are cute and easy to fly!
I prefer this one:
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/parkzone_spitfire_mk2_l.jpg)
(Haven't quite finished the Emil yet - my AH addiction has been interfering with my RC addiction lately.)
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/art/Me-109_finished1.jpg)
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Only thing more fun than flying the spit, is watching others cry foul when they die by one. The words, easy, real plane, get a pair, dweeb, only make the experience that more enjoyable. Spent the last four years working the whole Spit series and never a dull moment.
The Spit is in my opinion the easiest plane to get up in and fight with right out of the box. But that is about where easy ends. If you want to do more than just die in a spit over and over endlessly you got to work on your ACM. The Spit has serious limitations and good gamers here know well how to use them against a Spit. Unfortunatly those are primarily the ones that cry foul when a Spit shoots em down. Somehow the person flying can never be equal simply because the plane they chose to up didn't meet their standards.
The Spit is by far not the best plane in the game. It can be however the most fun. And making others throw out the quick barb as they rest in the tower chosing a new ride has got to be one of the best perks :D
But, this is all coming from a Spit dweeb so this and a buck will get ya a cup o tea :dev
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But that is about where easy ends. If you want to do more than just die in a spit over and over endlessly you got to work on your ACM. The Spit has serious limitations and good gamers here know well how to use them against a Spit. Unfortunatly those are primarily the ones that cry foul when a Spit shoots em down. Somehow the person flying can never be equal simply because the plane they chose to up didn't meet their standards.
The Spit is by far not the best plane in the game. It can be however the most fun.
Especially biased, non-objective assessment. Except for the bolded part; no argument there. The rest is definitely a self-serving spitfire dweeb talking.
edit - the only addendum to this being that only the Spitfire 1 and 5 fit what's in the quote.
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Spits are easy mode and also easy to kill, no complaints other then the 30mm problem they have :aok
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Key words in bold and I doubt they're the truth. The fact, and pretty much anyone with a clue knows this, is that spitfires don't require much effort to win fights with. Just work your way past any initial energy disadvantage and it's all downhill effort from there. The envelope is simple enough for you to make all sorts of mistake and get away with it. All of this comes at the cost of top speed and relatively light armament. Even if the envelope is easy and fool proof enough to mostly nullify this lighter armament, it all makes for a package that's pretty pedestrian, regardless of how effective it is. It's no speed demon.
You have no idea what i said moot. Did you read it carefully?
I said people wont fight you if you are in a spitfire, and that is one reason to not fly them. If you are looking for a fight you should fly something your enemy is not afraid of fighting against.
Please try and read more carefully, or were you just drunk last night and desperately searching for something to argue with me about?
The only valid reason I can see for not choosing a spitfire is so that people will actualy fight you. Fighting Spitfires seem to scare people into 'one pass then run' tactics more than anything else. I've seen people who are more willing to turn fight a zeke than a spitfire. That is the only downside I can see.
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It's funny this thread is heading exactly where I anticipated.
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It was always fun to beat a person that called spit dweeb that thought that the plane made the pilot. It was fun to have a hot head in the da and beat him in his 190 or 109 five times in a row. I always practiced in every plane in the hanger so that I became a better pilot. Most of the vets respect the spit and understand that a good spit driver can kill in any ride.
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Grizz,
I have a huge historical attachment with Spitfire, that’s the main reason I fly them so much.
And this part I understand. My passion for Spitfire history goes back much further then 38s. If I'd have decided to get an RAF squadron going, I'd have been flying Spits. No apologies. It's all about the history.
There has always been an anti-Spitfire crowd as long as I can remember. I'll be honest, it was enough to get me out of Spit IXs in Airwarrior and into the P38J. They are fun to fly when I do take one up. I enjoy the Spit VIII in particular.
But to each their own. My 38G is nothing more then a twin engined Spitfire anyway :)
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I fly Spitfires not only because I've always been enthralled by them but also because I most often find myself outnumbered in the LW MAs, sometimes even by several other Spitfires, and there's nothing else that gives you a better fighting chance in an outnumbered situation although I've had pretty good luck so far this camp in the Ki-61.
They are also good for buff hunting if you take the time to set up your firing pass.
And I think those are the reasons the Spit, even the XVI, has never been even close to being among my top K/D planes.
I'll add that being one of many on one while flying a Spit seems pretty lame.
So, to the Spit naysayers I say, grab a Spit and go really test yourself (4 on 1 or more) on a regular basis. Otherwise fly your "manly" pane in an unmanly mannor and just shut up.
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I actually do not know of anyone afraid of a spit. Probably 98% of the time they are new or not interested in learning acm.
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You have no idea what i said moot. Did you read it carefully?
I said people wont fight you if you are in a spitfire, and that is one reason to not fly them. If you are looking for a fight you should fly something your enemy is not afraid of fighting against.
Please try and read more carefully, or were you just drunk last night and desperately searching for something to argue with me about?
You're right, I missed the 'not' in the first sentence and did skim your post. Making that to be me looking for a fight with you and being drunk and wanting something to argue with you about.. :rofl Why is it so far fetched that I should just argue a flawed assertion? Why does everything have to be about sadness or obsession or some psychological irregularity with you? That's a rhetorical question.
there's nothing else that gives you a better fighting chance in an outnumbered situation
Very arguable.
So, to the Spit naysayers I say, grab a Spit and go really test yourself (4 on 1 or more) on a regular basis. Otherwise fly your "manly" pane in an unmanly mannor and just shut up.
It's not about manliness. Yanking a joystick around in front of a screen has nothing to do with manliness.
Most of the vets respect the spit and understand that a good spit driver can kill in any ride.
A good spit driver? What does a good spit driver do in other planes that no other driver could?
They are also good for buff hunting if you take the time to set up your firing pass.
Other than good maneuverability to dodge bullets on the exit, how's a slowish plane (good e retention but mediocre level speed) with weak wings and average firepower "good for buff hunting"?
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lol that's one epic gif. :aok
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Grizz,
I have a huge historical attachment with Spitfire, that’s the main reason I fly them so much.
History is why I started flying the Spitfire in the first place, after recieving 3 osprey books, each covering different variants. I liked them so much, I started flying the Spit V, shooting down a 163 on my first sortie with it. :rofl Then i moved on to the Spit 1 and had a blast again. Finally, thoough, I found my niche in the Spit 9. 240 cannons was the main reason for flying it over the 5.
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Other than good maneuverability to dodge bullets on the exit, how's a slowish plane (good e retention but mediocre level speed) with weak wings and average firepower "good for buff hunting"?
They aren't if you attack the way you propose; level six. That's why I said you need to set up your firing pass. You need to attack from a position 2-3K above the buffs firing on the wing profile (root or engine depending on bomber type) as you descend. That gives you a lot of speed and leaves only the buffs upper guns available for defense. The Hispanos do the rest.
Fire on pass one, pull up, roll inverted, pull through, invert again and dive into firing pass 2. Repeat.
Sure it's riskier than a 190A-8 or a 110G-2 but that's what makes it fun.
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Right, fun. But that's not what you were saying. Unless "good" was said in the "how much fun you're having" sense. I didn't propose any specific approach. I only said that everything else being equal, the spitfire's just middling at best as a buff destroyer. One of the ways its best attributes really do shine is concerted attacks on a formation, where you can really exploit the spitfire's maneuverability. Make the gunners really sweat.
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Right, fun. But that's not what you were saying. Unless "good" was said in the "how much fun you're having" sense.
Nope. I meant good in that a single firing pass with the two Hispanos and whatever machine gun package you're carrying is enough to take down one and sometimes two buffs and also that getting into position to make that firing pass is often considerably easier in a Spit than other planes due to it's climb rate and relatively good high alt performance.
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Have absolutely nothing against folks flying spitfires. It's a worthy plane in mho. I prefer US Navy planes though. They just look so cool.
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BE - So not only is [2x20 + some other spit loadout] a better than average package, but you're also saying that the spitfire is a significantly above-average choice for setting up consecutive effective passes on formations? Slightly above average firepower, low durability, mediocre level speed, all add up to a considerably easier time shooting down bombers? If the target's Ju88s, or B25Cs. Maybe Lancasters. Certainly not B26s, Ki67s, 24s or 17s. Not everything else being equal, not unless you've got 1:1 spitfire to bomber ratio.
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BE - So not only is [2x20 + some other spit loadout] a better than average package, but you're also saying that the spitfire is a significantly above-average choice for setting up consecutive effective passes on formations? Slightly above average firepower, low durability, mediocre level speed, all add up to a considerably easier time shooting down bombers? If the target's Ju88s, or B25Cs. Maybe Lancasters. Certainly not B26s, Ki67s, 24s or 17s. Not everything else being equal, not unless you've got 1:1 spitfire to bomber ratio.
Yes, I am saying that the 2x20mm Hispanos + machine guns is a better than average gun package and that the Spit's climb rate, dive rate and manouverability are advantages over many other planes. It's downfall is it's durability. You can't afford to take a hit.
You keep bringing up it's level speed and I'm not sure why. I thought I made it clear that on your firing pass you'de be in a high speed dive.
As to targets Lancasters, B24's and B25's are the prime targets. The B17 is close behind. I generally try to avoid B26's and Ki-67's but will go after them if I'm the only one in position to try and stop them.
While the 190A-8 and the 110G-2 are the ultimate buff hunters IMO due to their durability and firepower I've had far more luck in a Spit than for instance a 109K-4 or a Ta-152. The Jugs are good buff hunters but their slow climb rate makes it difficult to get into position. The Temp/Typh aren't good enough high alt performers and are prone to radiator damage (as is the 152). The K4 stiffens too much in the dive. The Japanese and Russian planes don't have enough firepower at long enough ranges. I suppose the Hogs and Ponys are close to the Spits in thier buff hunting prowess.
I'll pull up my Spit vs buff numbers but I wont have a chance to do so until later this evening.
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Level speed means you're lagging behind other fighters with proper interceptor speed. Your spit vs buff numbers are just numbers, they don't tell the complete story that a collection of films would. The Spit14 is the only one I'd consider a good buff hunter.
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shoot em all in the cockpit and they go down equally easy.
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shoot em all in the cockpit and they go down equally easy.
+1.
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I suppose the Hogs and Ponys are close to the Spits in thier buff hunting prowess.
Spits are wonderful planes but as buff interceptors? Respectfully, I think you are right about spits and ponies being about the same as buff hunters....they both suck hehehe. :salute
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You're right, I missed the 'not' in the first sentence and did skim your post. Making that to be me looking for a fight with you and being drunk and wanting something to argue with you about.. :rofl Why is it so far fetched that I should just argue a flawed assertion? Why does everything have to be about sadness or obsession or some psychological irregularity with you? That's a rhetorical question.
What? Where do you get this from? My comment was on topic and your reply is to, once again, imply i need profesional help. :rofl
*wanders off to find the loony bin*
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You post specifically "implies" that I was probably drunk, your PMs to me insist that there's some jealousy and sadness and angst and grudges, etc etc. If I didn't know any better, I'd say it's .. gay. I'm not implying that you need help (and I'm not going to repeat it again because it's off topic), I can say it simply and frankly like I told you by PM (which is a better place for the topic): you need a doctor. It wouldn't be mentionned except that like a number of other nutcases, e.g. Kurfurst, Voss, and a couple of others, your nutiness can't help but find its way into your arguments.
One misread because I skim your posts being made out to be drunken obstination to pick a fight is a big leap. I'm not going to reply unless your next post is on topic.
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I'll fly the Spit8 for when I know I'll be at lower alts and for longer periods of time for air to air.
The Spit9 comes out when the alt is going to be above 10k for sure and speeds will remain high and sharp turning less important.
The only time I fly that over modelled easy-to-get-kills Spit16 is when I am going to use it for what it was designed for: ground pounding. Most forget it carries 1k worth of ord in 3 bombs (3 dead gv's, 3+ destroyed OBJ, etc). I cant imagine the roll rate improved THAT much from removing the ring tips so that it rivals the 190x. Oh, and it retains energy far greater than any otehr Spitfire. However... I dont have the magic HTC aircraft modelling formula on hand.
The Spit14 comes out from when I know a horde of P51's or other fast moving wonder-birds are inbound and the alt are higher than 15k for sure. It climbs like a banshee and moves quite nice at 20k+. It is a fast aircraft but no more so that the other screamers... its perk status is quite a stretch.
Te Seafire comes out from the CV only, and the Spit5 and Spit1 only when I'm feeling lucky.
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Ground pounding aye. :rofl
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moot :lol
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Yes, I am saying that the 2x20mm Hispanos + machine guns is a better than average gun package...
Yes, each 20mm Hispano in AHII is equal to 3 .50s. The means the 2xHispanos+2x.50s on the SpitXVI and SpitXIV have the same lethality as the P-47's vaunted "buzzsaws".