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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Kazaa on June 04, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
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This question goes out to anyone, but Sir Guppy is the man in the know.
Guppy,
Do you happen to have any info/pictures of Spitfires (Pref XVI, IX or VIII) with very unique paint jobs? I’m looking for inspiration. :D
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Aways have liked this one.
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This question goes out to anyone, but Sir Guppy is the man in the know.
Guppy,
Do you happen to have any info/pictures of Spitfires (Pref XVI, IX or VIII) with very unique paint jobs? I’m looking for inspiration. :D
Kev did the silver ones we could dig up for the I, VIII, IX and XVI. I'll do some more looking and see if there are any other unique Spits along those lines. Obviously the Pink Spits got done as did the high altitude camo Spit VII on the VIII
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Thanks a lot Guppy. :D
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and lryic. :aok
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Anything in PRU Blue with guns?
I like that color.
wrongway
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I'd thought about doing a High Alt Flight Spitfire (guys who went after the JU-88P?) but it's hard to find pics of those airplanes, at any rate they had modified armament (no MGs I believe) so I don't know if HTC would accept it.
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They chucked all cannons and all but 2 of the .303 cals. They were field modified to strip everything from them, but probably carried normal line paint schemes.
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They chucked all cannons and all but 2 of the .303 cals. They were field modified to strip everything from them, but probably carried normal line paint schemes.
Nope, he's talking about the one that went after the Ju86R I believe. That had both cannons. 1 jammed when the pilot got his shot. That was a modified IX. The ones in the MTO that went after the Ju86P were modified Spit Vs with 4 blade props etc. Paint jobs were anything but ordinary.
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Nope, he's talking about the one that went after the Ju86R I believe. That had both cannons. 1 jammed when the pilot got his shot. That was a modified IX. The ones in the MTO that went after the Ju86P were modified Spit Vs with 4 blade props etc. Paint jobs were anything but ordinary.
Yep, flown by Emanuel Galetzine on Sept. 12, 1942. The IX was stripped down of all armor and of the 303's. At over 40,000 ft. it was the hightest air-to-air fight in the war.
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Yep, flown by Emanuel Galetzine on Sept. 12, 1942. The IX was stripped down of all armor and of the 303's. At over 40,000 ft. it was the hightest air-to-air fight in the war.
Just to show off a little bit. Young CorkyJr, long time Spit dweeb got to talk Spits with Prince Emanuel Galtizine, RAF Coltishall, 1986. It was the 41 Squadron reunion. Galitzine flew XIIs with 41 squadron in 1943 downing a 190 in September of that year. Got to correspond with then meet him in England. That's the B of B flight Spitfire II, a geniune B of B vet, painted in 41 squadron markings behind us. Got to spend some time in the cockpit of that bird. Twas a long time ago in a galaxy far away :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Galitzine.jpg)
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Galitzine's modified IX from 1942. There is a photo of it too, but before conversion and paint. I'd like to think his word for it is good enough on the paint job however :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/GalitzineIX.jpg)
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Well I've read blurbs (short ones) in 2 different books that discussed the Ju86R huntings, and they said they stripped the cannons off, leaving only 2 MGs onboard. I guess both were wrong.
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Well I've read blurbs (short ones) in 2 different books that discussed the Ju86R huntings, and they said they stripped the cannons off, leaving only 2 MGs onboard. I guess both were wrong.
I can post you Galitzine's combat report where he talks about the jammed cannon. I heard him say it too. Well documented in "Spitfire-a Documentary History" by Alfred Price as well.
I think you are mixing up the two stories Krusty. In the Med they modified some Spitfire Vbs to try and catch Ju86P recce birds. They got 4 blade props, had everything stripped out, including radios and had their cannon replaced by 2 50 cals. They even went up with only limited fuel to save weight. Different Spits, different places, roughly the same time frame as the MTO bit was the summer of 42 and the ETO bit was Fall of 42.
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That must be the ones I've read about. Must have been different instances, because both blurbs had different alts listed as the intercept alt. I had them both out from the library at the same time once upon a time, and said "hold the phone" and grabbed the other book and sure 'nuff the alts listed were a couple hundred feet apart (still, around 49k or so)
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That must be the ones I've read about. Must have been different instances, because both blurbs had different alts listed as the intercept alt. I had them both out from the library at the same time once upon a time, and said "hold the phone" and grabbed the other book and sure 'nuff the alts listed were a couple hundred feet apart (still, around 49k or so)
The one in England was the highest fight. There is some explaination for the V's getting that high in the MTO due to all kinds of stuff I don't really understand. Their single stage Merlins just didn't have enough to get as high as the two stage Merlin of the IX. It's why the Spitfire VI wasn't successful and the VII was as the VI was a specially built high alt V essentially and the VII was basically a Spitfire VIII built for high alt.
The modified Vs in the MTO had extended wingtips btw, while Galitzine's IX did not.
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I don't know what this is but it's different.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/fergy61/spitfire2.jpg)
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I don't know what this is but it's different.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/fergy61/spitfire2.jpg)
Postwar markings of an Air Vice Marshall. Not a combat bird.
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Thx Dan, I always wondered. It's a pretty bird & I like the bubble canopy.
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Would anyone happen to have close up shots ot the Spitfites actual rivit and panel lines? :D
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I'm starting on 79 Sqn camo, the one lyric posted at the start of this tread.
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Yes, Galtizine's aircraft was the one I was thinking of. I'll finish it off and see what HTC says about it. The only question I have is did it carry nationality markings on the upper surface of the wings, I'd assume it would have the smaller PRU style type I roundels if any were carried. I'm on the road right now, I'll have to check the ol' Osprey stack when I get home.
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Is will be OK.
Used to be on the old F IX, guess I missed redoing it.
Yup had the smaller roundels and tail flash.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/ahss109.jpg)
Spitfire Mk IXc BF273 of the High Altitude Flight, Northolt, September, 1942. Flown by F/O Emanuel Galitzine.
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Lt. Ohr, a Korean who flew with the USAAF flew this Spitfire Mk.IX.
(http://www.warbird-collectables.co.uk/acatalog/GAUSA2005.jpg)
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Lt. Ohr, a Korean who flew with the USAAF flew this Spitfire Mk.IX.
(http://www.warbird-collectables.co.uk/acatalog/GAUSA2005.jpg)
Got a photo of that one Pappy?
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/ahss109.jpg)
Spitfire Mk IXc BF273 of the High Altitude Flight, Northolt, September, 1942. Flown by F/O Emanuel Galitzine.
Is that a reacon Spitfire Jacko? I've seen it before, I'm sure of it! Looks great btw!
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Not a Recon Spitfire, but painted in PRU Blue with PR markings, although the standard fin flash is retained.
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79 Squadron, A58-543.
I really don’t like to show people my rough work, but this being my first attempt at rendering a 3D model, I thought it would be best to get as much input from the community as I can.
Currently my main focus is on panel and rivet lines, highlights (which I went a little OTT on) and low lights. I’ve added some rough paint to just get a feel of the above.
Questions:
1) What the bloody hell is the big Black line which runs through the wing, is it a panel line or just decoration? I bring this up because I’ve seen a lot of skins where this line is much bolder then the others.
2) Centre wing, would I be correct in guessing that those are not rivet indents but rather screw housings?
3) How does my rivet and panel lines look, could they do with being made darker?
4) Any skinners fancy spending some time, with me, on The Few's private Ventrilo server? I would love to pick your brains, mmm brains.
5) Is photoshop addiction possible? This is my 3rd project and I don't see myself stopping.
Kazaa, <S>
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/Image2-3.jpg)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/Image1.jpg)
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The black line is a marking used to identify where one is allowed to walk on the wing without damaging the structure. Stenciling would be adjacent to the line instructing 'Walkway Inboard' (at the wing root) or 'Walkway Forward' (along the wing leading edge).
Gun and ammunition access panels were secured with camlock fasteners similar to the 'Dzus' fasteners that hold the cowling on a Cessna. Screws were used on most of the fillet section that covered the area where the wing joined the fuselage.
Look here:
Stenciling. The dashed lines around the cannon bay are non-standard but you can see the camlock fasteners.
(http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle2/spitfire_xvi/images/spitfire_xvi_04_of_28.jpg)
Screws on fillet section
(http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/12/images/detail_spitfire_ix_14.jpg)
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Jocko beat me to it :)
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:D
One thing to keep in mind, I use 'standard' stenciling on my skins, there were always exceptions to the rule. For example, a lot of RCAF Spits carried very little in the way of stenciling. Photo references of the aircraft you are skinning is obviously the best way to go.
One other thing, the nationality markings on the wing would usually be painted on after the stencil line and would covering that portion of the line.
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How's that XII skin coming? Haven't seen any more of it....hint hint! :)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/12one.jpg)
I should really finish things before starting others... story of my life. Off for a couple days, maybe I'll get back at this one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/12two.jpg)
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That is a pretty bird. Terry Spencer, her last pilot passed away not too long ago :(
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I have to say I've never been a fan of "prop holes" in the spinner. It just doesn't "fit" the way it's modeled in-game. I much prefer skins don't do this, because in screenshots and when it's spinning, it just doesn't look right. Only looks right when engine is off and looking at it from F3 mode.
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So no complaints about the new AH2 Spitfire XII then Krusty? :)
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Thanks for all your input Jacko, it was a great help!
Would you happen to have a close up shot of the camlock fasteners?
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I have to say I've never been a fan of "prop holes" in the spinner. It just doesn't "fit" the way it's modeled in-game. I much prefer skins don't do this, because in screenshots and when it's spinning, it just doesn't look right.
I'm not a fan of them either, at least as they are now. I'm using someone else's template as a starting point, replacing the original layers with my own as I go. The skin file has two spinner textures, one for engine off, and one for engine on. I'm going to change the engine on version you see here to be more of a soft blur where the holes are. This is something I wish AH did have, IMO it looks dumb having prop blades magically sprouting from a solid spinner when the engine off.
Guppy, the August 2008 issue of Aeroplane had a great write up on Terry Spencer, including a pic of MB882, which he was flying when he shot down Emil Lang's 190. But of course you probably already know this. ;)
Anyway, we now return you to your regularly scheduled, non-XII-hijacked thread :D
Kazaa, the camlock fasteners look like a normal slotted screw head, slightly domed. I need a scanner... The ones on the big ammo door just outboard of the cannon bay are slightly bigger diameter, about 16mm. The ones on the other access panels are about 12mm. This really won't be an issue until we have 2048x2048 skin files :devil
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IL2 doesn't have the Spitfire Mk.Vc but the Mk.Vb. would I be able to use this 1942, Spitfire Mk. Vc camo on a Mk.VIII just like this guy has done?
(http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autocom=downloads&req=display&code=ss&full=1&id=1072)
http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autocom=downloads&showfile=1072
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Nope, but could do it on the Vb
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Guppy,
I'm just trying to line up some more Mk.VIII camos first, once the panel and rivet lines are done I should be able to get the ball rolling.
Please let me know if you have some pictures of Mk.VIII's with unique or interesting camo. :D I’ll move onto the Mk. XVI after that as it really could use a few more.
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Nope, but could do it on the Vb
Vs are full up.
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Damn, you know what Guppy? I have black and white photos of it in my copy of "American Spitfire Aces of WWII" but that's about it.