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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: gatt on April 24, 2001, 08:30:00 AM
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We all know how most people use drop tanks in combat. They fly with 25% and drop their tanks before engaging.
As you know, a/c like Yaks, Lavochin and Macchi dont have drop tanks. They have to take off with 100% fuel and most of the times they engage with 60-70% fuel. If you dont t/o with a huge fuel load you'll often have to ditch.
Now, I know that those fighters didnt or seldom used drop tanks (recce types, like the C.205, or field modifications) ... but in AH drop tanks, IMHO, give an unfair advantage when used the way most "smart gamers" do.
What about the possibility to carry drop tanks only if you have 100% fuel in internal tanks?
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Doubt it would change much, one burns internal fuel down before switching back to external.
The only unfair advantage I see is limiting ones self to one A/C type, instead of broadening ones scope.
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Yes the drop tanks are very important also for the strategic and tatics decision of the pilot.
The choiche of a field that give you the opportunity of climb at altitude and arrive in combat zone whit E advantage,then after the release of the DT,take your time for combat and the fuel for RTB to your field.
We,poor and outnumbered italian pilot,must leave the macchi in hangar 80% of the time
for lack of range.
This is the only sim whit italian fighters,
and is really annoying take another AC only
because we dont have DT for fly to an enemie field that is'nt very near at your base.
Recce italians planes in WW2 haved Drop tank.
After 8 september MC205 whit field modification haved DT.
Thank and sorry for my English. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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gatt, my personal experience:
DT + 75% fuel.
IMO, the situation you describe (25% + DT) has sense only with P51, nikki, P47 or Ta152.
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I am only hoping they can rectify the problem with the introduction of the Fiat G-55 or 56 or the Reggiane 2005. Being a german plane lover even these planes are sweet as hell looking "and performance wise" which merit introduction into AH.
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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
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"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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I fly with 100% fuel + Drop tanks gatt.
many others do too.
however i suspect most n1k2 and chog dweebs are the 25% + drop tank crowd so i kill them first (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I usually fly a Jug with 75% + a drop, or 100% internal. If I'm flying to a close furball, I may use 50% and a drop, but that's pretty rare. On WEP the Jug sucks gas pretty quick. 25% and a drop isn't enough for more than one fight before you RTB. It would really only be useful for point defense, and in that case you'd be choosing a different plane or just 25% with no drop tank. I use no drop tank much of the time, simply because the tank adds drag and weight, and hurts my climb to altitude time. I'm better off to use 75% or 100% internal and just time it right than I am to use a drop. The only thing the drop tank gives is flexibility, so if I get engaged in combat earlier than I expected, I can punch it off and be at a reasonable fighting weight.
BTW, I don't call this an "unfair" advantage. Planes with efficient fuel use and drop tanks should take advantage of it, just like a G-10 driver should take advantage of his great acceleration. These are attributes of the real planes, and it's great that we have a sim that models all these variables.
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I fly my Dora almsot always with 100% internal fuel, even with DT.
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mybe code it that ifu choose DTs it loads
100% fuel automaticly.
whels
Originally posted by gatt:
We all know how most people use drop tanks in combat. They fly with 25% and drop their tanks before engaging.
As you know, a/c like Yaks, Lavochin and Macchi dont have drop tanks. They have to take off with 100% fuel and most of the times they engage with 60-70% fuel. If you dont t/o with a huge fuel load you'll often have to ditch.
Now, I know that those fighters didnt or seldom used drop tanks (recce types, like the C.205, or field modifications) ... but in AH drop tanks, IMHO, give an unfair advantage when used the way most "smart gamers" do.
What about the possibility to carry drop tanks only if you have 100% fuel in internal tanks?
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thats a marvelous idea whels
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Great idea, shouldnt be hard to do.
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Flying the 1D I take 100% fuel and no DTs. There is a trade off for using a DT and that is climbrate is affected by the drag of the tank. I can get to alt quicker if I take a full fuel load and no external tanks vs partial load with 1 or 2 tanks.
If I fly a G10 I use 100% fuel and a DT. I try to plan my flight to burn down to at least 75% fuel before I engage. 50% is my avg. fuel load in a fight. Anything less than 50% and I might not make it back home (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Rocket
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Gatt,
I fly the Spit 9 with 75%-100% of internal fuel + droptank. If I take less internal fuel I risk not being able to return to base after fighting. I've taken 50% and not made it back before, so I don't do that anymore.
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I don't game the fuel. You think any WW2 pilots would intentionally take off with less than full tanks?
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Now now Mike, I remember us flying with tanks, but not full internal fuel load (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Originally posted by funked:
I don't game the fuel. You think any WW2 pilots would intentionally take off with less than full tanks?
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I remember YOU flying that way. I don't fly that way nor do I create missions with that loadout.
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my usual load, regardless of plane type, excepting pony, is 75% plus DT.
100% plus dt is too much, since by time got to fight would have burned off some internal fuel anyways (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LOL, now flying with less than a full tank is "Gaming"...I believe I've heard it all now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Bah, I don't see where the problem is, if you fly with very low internal fuel then you have very little time left for fighting, and even may run out of fuel if dogfight runs a bit long.
Gatt, u cracked me up on this one, LOL, great troll. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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My usual ride these days is a 109, 100%/no dt. If I dont find a fight by the time I get to 18k or so I level out and pull the throttle back to cruise at about 300mph true. That last 50mph of airspeed really sucks up the gas but doesnt get you anywhere much faster.
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I'm confused as to why some of you guys think taking a drop tank and 25% to a close fight is any different that taking 50% internal to the same fight? Other than a bit of flexibility if you get bounced, I see no difference. Actually, I'll take the internal every time, since my climb performance is better without the tank. In addition, my Jug performs better if I drain the AUX tank before I fight, so I'm better to take 50% internal and drain the AUX on the way in than I am to punch a drop and arrive at the fight with 25% main and 25% AUX. I'm sure many other planes are in a similar situation.
All a drop tank allows is a bit more flexibility. It's no "unfair advantage". Far from it. The only advantage being gained here is those who plan well enough to arrive at the fight with just enough gas to engage and make it home. Or not. If you think disabling drop tanks unless you have 100% fuel will change that, I think you are fooling yourself.
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mybe code it that ifu choose DTs it loads
100% fuel automaticly.
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Good idea Funked
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Waaa!!!
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So what's this?
You all have exhausted your complaints on the D9, F4U-1C, Ostwinds and whatever else you all feel like pissing in the wind about so now it's about drop tanks and 100% internal fuel?
Sheit... do you all need testosterone injections or something?
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When I fly the 205 or La5, I take 100% internal and it doesn't bother me at all that someone might be up with less gas.
Hey guys! Look at that! He's using the 4 gun loadout on the Pony instead of the 6 gun loadout! He's gaming the gun loadout!!!!
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The only time that I fly with 25% fuel in the main tanks is when that is all that is available at a bombed out field. 50% or more in a P-51 plus tanks or 100% in all other planes with or without tanks.
I find that I can fly a slightly heavy plane a lot better than one that runs out of fuel in the middle of a dogfight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
MiG
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Originally posted by funked:
You think any WW2 pilots would intentionally take off with less than full tanks?
Now, now Funk.
You know that many of those who scream for "realism" only want the parts they like or fit their particular definition of "real". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Yeah sorry Toad I forgot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The rest of ya: I define "gaming" as any non-historical tactic which is made useful by non-historical features of a sim. Gaming the fuel loadouts clearly fits the bill.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 04-24-2001).]
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You think any WW2 pilots would intentionally take off with less than full tanks?
Ask the japanese or german pilots what they were taking off in at the end of the war, were the allied pilots yelling at them saying hey your gaming this war by only flying with 50% fuel!!!! I take my time to get to altitude I usually go to the max for the planes highest speed. cept the 152 feel no need to go to the outer edge of the atmosphere.
Fuel loadout is one thing, but a plane running at full wep trying to chase down my hunstang at 100% fuel well guess who will break off first? At any rate let them do what they want.
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If a plane type had DT's as an option it should have them here as well, if not then of course no.
Personally i will take any fuel or weapon and ammo loadouts that i see fit for the mission i undertake.
No choice whatever it is that i make is gaming the game, because they are there as options.
Whats more nobody has any right to try to dictate what fuel or any other of the options i lift with.
Anybody who thinks otherwise i sure as hell hope you NEVER get into any position of authority anywhere.
This attitude of he does'nt fly how i want him too so lets force him into it is getting a little out of hand.
I never even think or worry about what fuel load etc the other plane is carrying, do you think they actually asked each other before combat in WW2 if they had mutually acceptable fuel loads before engaging ?
Thats half the fun entering a fight and analysing if your getting the upper hand or not, then adjusting to hopefully make sure you do.
Now i find myself looking at the post button thinking should i really bother responding to this crap.
Aww to hell with it [Submit reply]
[This message has been edited by 214thCavalier (edited 04-24-2001).]
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You do have to admire this thread. Amidst the staleness of F4U-1C whining, gatt has managed to find an entirely new, hitherto untouched thing about which to complain. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
LOL, now flying with less than a full tank is "Gaming"...I believe I've heard it all now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I was gonna post something similar here Rip, but I have decided to just give Gatt a 9.5 for originality and go on my way.
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I like the pic sancho........
I take 100% fuel in my stang at all times as one of it's biggest advantages to flying it is it's ability to run why limit this to lo fuel status (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I only use DT's on long haul mission's like fighter sweeps over bishrook HQ (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
outlaw 332nd fg
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hehehe...you guys are too damned funny sometimes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) While I am sorry that your Italian plane didn't have drop tanks, why should I have to suffer because of it? If you don't like it, fly another plane? If you don't want to fly another plane, then live with it. All planes here have strong points and weak points.
My fuel loadout for fighting in the P51B is almost always 50%, and if I'm flying to a field that's gonna eat that up, I take 50% plus drop tanks. If I'm JABOing, it's usually 75%, no tanks.
SOB
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A P47 with 50% fuel still feels heavier than a P51 with 75% fuel, as far as I'm concerned.
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Just putting more confusion in a non sense thread... and I enjoy it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
...Sancho hehehe WTG! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by SOB:
hehehe...you guys are too damned funny sometimes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) While I am sorry that your Italian plane didn't have drop tanks, why should I have to suffer because of it? If you don't like it, fly another plane? If you don't want to fly another plane, then live with it. All planes here have strong points and weak points.
My fuel loadout for fighting in the P51B is almost always 50%, and if I'm flying to a field that's gonna eat that up, I take 50% plus drop tanks. If I'm JABOing, it's usually 75%, no tanks.
SOB
So, it is not true as I have been told, that in the MA fuel use is accelerated and not an indicator of historical flight times?
Right now I am too lazy to go calculate the actual flight time for a YAK on 100% fuel, but I doubt it was only 25 minutes.
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Hey all, just my 2 cents for what it is worth, but most pilots in WW2 did use their fuel loads efficiently. Some aircraft, like the mustang and Hog, are not within CG if they maneuver with full internal tanks. So IMHO quit whining and learn counter tactics is all. Cripes taking away drop tanks takes away the fun, and forcing fuel loads is a bit of a childish, "I wanna winn all the time ploy!" Almost as bad as whining about HO's, that is about as ignorant too.
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Originally posted by Otter:
So, it is not true as I have been told, that in the MA fuel use is accelerated and not an indicator of historical flight times?
Right now I am too lazy to go calculate the actual flight time for a YAK on 100% fuel, but I doubt it was only 25 minutes.
Laziness is a quality we share (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Since the distances flown in the main are so much shorter than in RealLife™, there's a multiplier on fuel consumption. I don't know what it is tho', and I'm too lazy to bother finding out. I just fly and see how far my fuel ends up taking me...after a few sorties, you get a good sense for what load you need to take.
SOB
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Don't get me wrong. I really don't care what you do in the game. It's your $30, fly what you like, like what you fly...don't worry about the other guy.
What DOES make me chuckle is the "selective reality" mode many of our more famous posters adopt. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
...and no, this isn't pointed at anyone specifically...it's a general comment.
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
Hey guys! Look at that! He's using the 4 gun loadout on the Pony instead of the 6 gun loadout! He's gaming the gun loadout!!!!
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-SW
Ahhhh hell, I'm busted
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When I flew Hogs, I invariably took 75% + 1 or 2 DTs, depending on flight time/mission type. Now when I fly the Pony, I always take 100% fuel, except when on long escorts, when I take DTs also. If I take DTs, I burn off the AUX tank before the DTs, since the AUX offests the pony's center of gravity. This is a tactic that was employed in real life by 8th AF pilots in the P51. Taking DT and 25% is just plain silly on the other hand IMHO. Aren't people planning on getting home?
Regards
Darling
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Looks like my question above was ignored. I'll ask it again.
How is 25% plus a drop tank any different than 50% Internal? The weight distribution in many cases is better with the internal when you get to the fight. The external tank creates more drag and hurts climb performance on the way to the fight.
Where is this "unfair advantage" again? The only advantage I can see to the drop tank is that if you get bounced and have to fight earlier than expected, you can get to a lighter weight easily. That's a pretty rare situation for the most part, and a very minor benefit.
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Originally posted by Lephturn:
How is 25% plus a drop tank any different than 50% Internal? The weight distribution in many cases is better with the internal when you get to the fight. The external tank creates more drag and hurts climb performance on the way to the fight.
Where is this "unfair advantage" again? The only advantage I can see to the drop tank is that if you get bounced and have to fight earlier than expected, you can get to a lighter weight easily. That's a pretty rare situation for the most part, and a very minor benefit.
I think the major advantage, as described above is the feeling that people have that they are at safe weight when they dump DTs. I generally feel that this has to do with the planes with the big 97/137(?) gallon tanks on the US planes. I found that trying to maneuver in a hog with 100% fuel is sluggish, starting to improve at 50-60% Main. Thus I took 1 DT, for climb to 18-20k. Then dump the empty DT. Then I aim my fuel load to be around 60% when I get to target, taking what is neccesary internally or an extra DT.
Darling
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Lepht,
if u have 25% and DTs if u get jumped anytime
between full DTs and empty u can drop the added weight and instantly be at 25% fuel to fight, where if u take 50% fuel and jumped ur screwed cause there isnt a switch to
dump fuel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
i like DTs so i can wep climb and not overuse
main fuel, since DTs are relativly small portion of ur fuel load.
whels
Originally posted by Lephturn:
Looks like my question above was ignored. I'll ask it again.
How is 25% plus a drop tank any different than 50% Internal? The weight distribution in many cases is better with the internal when you get to the fight. The external tank creates more drag and hurts climb performance on the way to the fight.
Where is this "unfair advantage" again? The only advantage I can see to the drop tank is that if you get bounced and have to fight earlier than expected, you can get to a lighter weight easily. That's a pretty rare situation for the most part, and a very minor benefit.
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PERK DROP TANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That brings me to the question if drag from the DT-mount (ETC whatever on 190/109) is modeled??? I mean the clean mount - after you dropped DT... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I still don't see any great advantage. Added flexibility in case you get bounced early is the only real benefit I see there. In other cases you can normally do the same thing and get better results with internal fuel only. I suppose another benefit would be if you want something between say 50% and 75% and drop tanks may allow you to do that.
All said it's still pretty minor. I don't see any need to limit them. Drop tanks ad range and flexibility. Planes that had them should be able to use those advantages however they see fit IMHO.
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Back from holidays ... i see we still have our cheerleaders around, they are getting older but are still nice in their pantyhoses (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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what a complete load of BS
if you want fuel DT then find some info about that aircraft having them...even a field conversion and then ask for them.dont try to stop their use because you havent got one.
russian planes and italian planes were DESIGNED the way they are in here.Its part of their character.P51 with DTs can span the map as can jap planes just like they would have in the war.spit5 and spit9 are great for the game because they really help you understand the changes made in range and speed etc.When they introduce a russian plane with dts you will have a new option and greater choice,same for italians.
if you dont like short range intercepters why the hell ya flying russian ans italian planes? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
gaming the fuel? gimme a break.Using your brains more like.
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Cool down hazed,
I see you dont understand what I posted. I never ever asked for 205/Yak/La DT's. I never ever asked to stop using DT for others a/c.
What I'm talking about is the use of DT and *very* low internal fuel loads, like 25% or 50%. This is unhistorical and, imho, still looks like gaming the game. There should be a way to stop this thing.
But hey, what do I know and above all, this IS a game (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) BTW, thanks real men for good replies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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My $0.02
I actually like Whels1 and funked's idea of limiting DT's to aircraft with 100% internal fuel.
After all, why would you take a DT with an aircraft with less than full internal fuel? The only possible reason would be so that you could drop the DT if required and fight in a reduced fuel (and weight) state.
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If I'm a cheerleader, then your a whiner gatt. If disagreeing with this silly whine about drop tanks is considered cheerleading, then fine. Rah rah. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The perceived advantage to drop tanks and low fuel is mostly just perception. The only real benefit to low fuel loads and a drop tank is a bit of flexibility if bounced before you get to the fight. With that small advantage comes the disadvantage of increased drag and thus a longer time to altitude. They balance out pretty well, and there is no big "advantage" here. If you get beat because a guy has a low fuel load, it doesn't matter if he got it from a drop tank or not.
Drop tanks simply provide added flexibility, there is zero performance advantage conveyed by their use. If you are fighting close to an enemy field, they will have light fuel loads one way or the other, drop tanks or not, and it doesn't make a damned bit of difference if it was with an internal or an external tank.
Again... the only advantage I see is if you get bounced and can punch tanks and change your plan. Drop tanks are meant for exactly that kind of flexibility. Limiting them because we fight at closer ranges and, more importantly, lower altitudes is just silly. You can say "nobody in WWII would take off with 25% and a drop tank", but the obvious flaw in that logic is that nobody would take off with 50% internal either! Sometimes the arena situation means we take much lighter fuel loads than is historically accurate. What IS historically accurate is that drop tanks add flexibility, so that a fighter that gets bounced can drop his extra gas for the fight. Just because the amount of gas he needs for a certain engagement is smaller than was normal in WWII, doesn't mean you should take away that flexibility.
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Sean, you *should* know that yours have been good and polite replies. Look, not every question and opinion about the game is a "silly" whine. And a good reply is almost always enuff, even for an old dweeb like me.
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According to my sources, the C.202 and C.205 both carried drop tanks and light bomb loads.
Gice the C.202 and C.205 their external stores.
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Ahh just to add some fuel to the fire... Russian long range Yak-9D and DD were not normally flown with all of their fuel tanks full. 9d was capable of being loaded with 650 liters, but acctual studies showed that planes from most combat units used only around 270 liters/mission, only 40% of total capacity. So most of the planes flew with outer wing fuel tanks empty all the time.
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Sorry gatt, but I thought you meant me as being a "cheerleader". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But you are right, not all issues are "silly whines". This one is though, IMNSHO. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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After the end of 1943 some C.205 (mainly co-belligerant) were fitted with drop tanks, as you see in the pic above. Those variants, mainly recce a/c, had often the 2x12,7mm removed from the nose. But those were field modifications, so I dont ask for DT.
Honestly, sometimes I drive the 109 and the 190. I for one would have no problem to take off with DT and a minimum of (say) 75% fuel, without the possibility to burn internal fuel prior to dropping ext tanks. Is someone here scared to do that? Cant believe it.
Is this a "silly" whine my wise chief instructor? If it is so, IMNSHO you should be a cheerleader (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by gatt:
We all know how most people use drop tanks in combat. They fly with 25% and drop their tanks before engaging.
sorry gatt i just took it as another meaningless attack.I realise what you mean and yes the planes with no DT are at a disadvantage but thats the point isnt it?
it was a good idea to fit DTs and if your favourite ride didnt have them i think its too bad thats the way they were.
If they(202,205,etc) had DTs though i agree you should get them.
good luck getting it done
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