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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jager on June 05, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
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Hey guys, I just learned how to rebuild small block chevy last weekend. I have 327 in a 1969 Chevy C-10 and replaced the Lifters, Camshaft and Pushrods in my truck. Now the cam has a .450 lift and .300 duration. Let me know what you guys think! pretty proud of my self for doing it all by my self and no extra bolts :O
http://s613.photobucket.com/albums/tt213/balseyd11b/?action=view¤t=PICT0236.flv
Thanks guys,
Jager
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Sounds great. Flowmaster exhaust? :aok
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ohh yea, and getting ready for some new headers w/ turndowns probably this saturday...Next weekend will be MSD Distributor w/ electric fan :)
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327 is an amazing little motor .. balanced, blueprinted, vette double hump heads w/2.02 intakes and 1.60 exhaust valves, 750 vacuum secondary carb on a dual plane Wieand she'll turn 8k rpm and scare the *crap* out of most people when you grab second gear :)
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I know shes got double hump heads, been decked, got a 650 double pumper with a edlebrock intake. how much you think i can get her up to? had it up to 6 today but don't know how much to push her. I would love to get her up to 8k but don't know if she'll handle it or not.
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Break it in before you go reving the snot outta it.
Make sure it's flowing oil and that you havent plugged a galley,after about 20 hours of run in time and if everythings still tight....go for it!! :devil
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Break it in before you go reving the snot outta it.
Make sure it's flowing oil and that you havent plugged a galley,after about 20 hours of run in time and if everythings still tight....go for it!! :devil
QFT
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Break it in before you go reving the snot outta it.
Make sure it's flowing oil and that you havent plugged a galley,after about 20 hours of run in time and if everythings still tight....go for it!! :devil
excellent advice.
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Jager did you check to make sure your valve springs are strong enough for the new cam?My buddy put a decent size cam in a Olds 350 without replaceing them and the engine sucked a valve.Just thought I would mention it.
Pipz
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327's are good motors, my dad and i built a 310 once, 283/327 cross,4 speed muncie, 513 pontiac rearend, in a 55 chevy, the dash read launch at 8( sidestep clutch) shift at 8, finish at 8 ( about 50 feet from the end of the 1/4 mile) ran 11.80's that way in 1972, street legal!
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I miss small blocks. Ford made the 289. Another great engine. Was used in Cobras, and some falcons.
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327's are good motors, my dad and i built a 310 once, 283/327 cross,4 speed muncie, 513 pontiac rearend, in a 55 chevy, the dash read launch at 8( sidestep clutch) shift at 8, finish at 8 ( about 50 feet from the end of the 1/4 mile) ran 11.80's that way in 1972, street legal!
holy crap dude!!!!
5.13's?????????
what'd ya cruise at? 45 mph at 5krpm?
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I miss small blocks. Ford made the 289. Another great engine. Was used in Cobras, and some falcons.
technically speaking, the 289 is still around. the 5.0L is a 302. a 302 is a stroked 289. a 289 is(i think) a bored 260.
someday, i'll put my boss 302 engine together, and tuck it into my fairmont..................... ...
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The valves looked good when i ripped it down, gonna run royal purple in it too when I change the oil tomorrow as well. :aok
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Nice rig!
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Well, with a .450 cam and stock 1.5ratio rockers he doesn't have to worry
about the valvesprings.. You won't come close to springbind until .480+ or so..
But with 1.6 or 1.75 rockers, he (could) be there already..
So, did ya get the 7/16 screw in studs and guideplates, or ya gonna run it with
the stockers? LOL, I've wound a SBC up to 10k and spit pushrods straight thru
the hood like bullets!
What about the bottom end? Large or small journal? Rod length? Piston type?
Auto or manual trans? Converter? Rearend Ratio?
Anyway, WTG on your first build! Be careful, don't be stupid!
RC
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I had a 71 RS Camaro some time ago.Wish I never got rid of it :cry It had a 350 in it.The bottom end was from and 85 Corvette.The heads were standard 1971 350 heads.We put a cam in it with a 480 lift 280 duration if I recall correctly.I am pretty sure it had the 1.5 rocker on screw in studs.We put stronger valve springs in that which along with my buddies bad experiance with his Oldsmobile is why I asked Jager about his springs.The car had a 350 turbo tranny with a 3k stall speed converter and a 3.73 posi rear.It usualy ran a 14.0 on kinda narrow 15 inch street tires.
This stuff brings back memories.Man I miss that car.I am thinking sometime in the near future "after I get the garage cleaned out :D" I may get a toy to mess around with.
Good luck with it Jager,have fun!
Pipz
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Back in the late 80's I used to race street stocks on a dirt track. Over the winter i bought a 327 with 11-1 pistons and camel back heads :rock, had the heads rebuilt along with rest of the motor. Hot tanked, balanced, was doing everything rite and it mysteriously was "stolen" :noid from the place putting it all back together for me. :furious :cry Never got it back and the only thing I can hope for is that maybe it found it's way into somebodies dream streetrod.
:salute
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327 is an amazing little motor .. balanced, blueprinted, vette double hump heads w/2.02 intakes and 1.60 exhaust valves, 750 vacuum secondary carb on a dual plane Wieand she'll turn 8k rpm and scare the *crap* out of most people when you grab second gear :)
Had one in my 68 camaro close to that. Also built a chevy 302 (327 with 283 crank) that could turn 10k. You have to use pink rods to help keep it together. It was for dirt tracking.
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thanx guys, i'll wait til the sun comes out and will take some more pics for ya guys.
I still got stock studs and rockers for now unless anyone be willing to donate to my project or cut me a deal :O . I got a guy on base that did auto body work in his break in service for six years and hes gonna help me sand it down and repaint it. Only gotta buy the supplies and beer for after work :D. Glad I could stir up those old memory banks for some of ya guys.
You are the ones that give me the motivation for doing what I'm doin now. :salute
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ohh yea, and getting ready for some new headers w/ turndowns probably this saturday...Next weekend will be MSD Distributor w/ electric fan :)
I put full MSD ignition in my old ford. My truck used to start like yours too until i install the MSD stuff. One tap of the key and she comes alive :eek:
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I put full MSD ignition in my old ford. My truck used to start like yours too until i install the MSD stuff. One tap of the key and she comes alive :eek:
I had that MSD 6al deal on my Camaro.I had this Holley 750 vacume secondary carb.I jetted it out put a bigger accelerator pump on it put a lighter spring for the secondaries and some other stuff I cant remember.When my buddies were following me down the road they said they couldnt smell anything but gas fumes from my car hehehheh And it still got better gas mileage than my 85 Mustang GT go figure <G>
I use to run it at Atco raceway in NJ.That was great fun!
Pipz
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I put full MSD ignition in my old ford. My truck used to start like yours too until i install the MSD stuff. One tap of the key and she comes alive :eek:
No electronic ignition in my day....... mallory dual point setups.
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age is really showin' there Shuffler :D
:noid
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how much you think i can get her up to? had it up to 6 today but don't know how much to push her. I would love to get her up to 8k but don't know if she'll handle it or not.
There is no need to twist it that hard :rolleyes:. All you will accomplish doing that is getting the opportunity to build another 327
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congrats on your first 327. be warned this is an early sign of addiction to speed. i rebuilt my first 283 in 1966. current project is cummins isx 15 liter (915 ci). its up to 925hp and 2800 pds of torque.
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327 can turn some rpm due to short stroke/big bore combination. Chebby lengthened the stroke to make the 350, gettin more bottom end torque but losin the high rpm capability.
Screw in studs and decent valve springs, and a great cam would be any of the high output Z-28 grinds, Duntov 30/30 etc if you wanted that old school hot rod sound .. or you could opt for latest hi-tech hydraulic roller setups.
It's an air pump .. a 650 is 'namby-pamby' -grin- .. a 750 vacuum secondary will work fine, especially if you have someone you can talk to about settin it up (pump stroke, springs, jets, ..all the usual suspects) ..then comes initial timing, advance curve, total timing ..once they are all 'set' she will scream :)
And fumes burnin yer eyes .. you'd have loved standin anywhere behind my L-88 powered '64 Malibu. It idled at 2k rpm, shift point was at 7600 rpm altho I rarely pushed it that hard, wasnt many cars I had to wind it up to get ahead of :) Usually short shifted at 6k into second, and if the guy I was racin was still there then I would take it to 7600 and slam 3rd. It felt like a heartbeat of time between launch, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, finish line :)
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Oh Ya! My first car was a 65 Chevelle Malibu. Started out stock with a bench seat 6 cyl 230 CI and a 3speed. I swapped that out for a 396 and a 4 speed Muncie. Then I added a set of Lakewood Ladder bars to control the wheel hop. Then a 327. A few years later that blew up while I was drag racing so I put in a 350(+60=358?) motor. I learned a lot about building cars with that car. Several years later I bought another one. But other projects kept me from getting to do anything with it so I sold it. You could put just about any Chevy motor in a Chevelle chassis just by relocating the motor mounts.
For a near stock 327 be conservative with your carb selection. 750 great for goin fast but 600 better for running around.
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1) 350(+60=358?)
2) You could put just about any Chevy motor in a Chevelle chassis just by relocating the motor mounts.
1) 360.24 ci
2) .. and change springs for weight
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i dont ever remember having to move a single motor mount, ever, to swap one chevy for another!
i am just talking v-8's tho, only built 2 chevelle's tho, i did put big blocks in 6 different camaro's,all of them came with small blocks, when i got them!
the spec's for small and big block chevy v-8's does not change at the motor mount locations, only deck height is different, as is deck width, i believe. different intakes were made so as to be able to put a big block anywere a small block was! all the parts to do such a swap used to be available at your local chevy house, a good parts man can find it all, or an older chevy power manual is very helpfull!
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/85612-2.jpg)
also the flex plate disance from the centerline of the mounts and tranny mounting pins are exactly the same
i do remember bolting in the rear tranny crossmember reversed so as to fit the 400 tranny tho, kind of a cheap solution!
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1) 360.24 ci
2) .. and change springs for weight
Back then at 18 years old. Never bothered with springs or anything but go fast parts. Better springs might have been a good idea. But not to many of us messed with them. It was all big motors, big tires and air shocks to jack up the rear end. If I did it now it would be very different. But thats the fun of hot rodding. Learn as you go. I had a friend that had a 409 w/3 dueces in his 65 chevelle 300. He sold it soon after the conversion. Scared him too much.
As I remember I did have to drill new motor mounts to go from the 6 to 8. But from then on I believe it was all bolt in. Even the four speed from the 3 speed was bolt in. Same distance from the motor mounts to the tranny mount. Cut the hole in the floor added a center console and buckets and it looked stock.
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Had one in my 68 camaro close to that. Also built a chevy 302 (327 with 283 crank) that could turn 10k. You have to use pink rods to help keep it together. It was for dirt tracking.
Shuf those chev 302's were sweet engines,69 Z28's had them for Trans Am racing and GM had to put them on the street. IIRC they stated 290 hp on the air breather...hahahahah.. ya at 2700 rpm they made 290,never reved 1 to 10K but saw 9200 on a dyno with a street legal store bought Z28.
Oh and I think it was pushing the far side of 430 hp,not bad for such a small mill!
ps: shuf I need 1 of those added to the blender your fixing,maybe thats the prob.... errr more power!