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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: frank3 on June 10, 2009, 05:25:23 AM
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I just noticed this AvA forum, but I don't know much about it. Can anyone elaborate on what's the trick here?
Saw the sticky of people requesting acces to allies or axis, what's up with that?
Thanks! And maybe see you soon :)
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Well each week is a senario kinda like FSO and though there are 3 chess pieces we only use 2 of them, you actually have to read the MOTD as you enter the areana. Your aircraft choice will be limited to what was either actually used at that time or something may be substituted as we don't have a complete set of aircraft. As a general rule of thumb if you come upon a 1 on 1 it is always good to ask on country if that person would like help in the fight before just jumping in ah la MA style. This week is primarily setup to showcase the blue planes vs the German stuff... though someone did put a silly spitty in here so there is potential to see a spitfest on the acklies side.
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There's also wednesday night missions run by larry. Also jaeger throws challenges to other squads.there's other events in the works :)
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As a general rule of thumb if you come upon a 1 on 1 it is always good to ask on country if that person would like help in the fight before just jumping in ah la MA style.
Frank,
If you want to fight in uninterrupted 1 versus 1 fights the best place to do that is the dueling arena. HTC conveniently created a terrain full of airfield pairs that are perfect for doing just that. You are under no obligation to ask permission to enter a 1 versus 1 fight in the Axis versus Allies Arena. There are folks who will get upset with you if you interrupt them but it is an imaginary rule. Just examine the name of the arena:
Axis 9. an alliance of two or more nations to coordinate their foreign and military policies, and to draw in with them a group of dependent or supporting powers.
10.the Axis, (in World War II) Germany, Italy, and Japan, often with Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania.
The word Allies is obviously plural but here is the definition just in case
n. pl. al·lies
1. One that is allied with another, especially by treaty:
2. One in helpful association with another:
3. Allies
a. The nations allied against the Central Powers of Europe during World War I. They were Russia, France, Great Britain, and later many others, including the United States.
b. The nations, primarily Great Britain, France, the Soviet Union, and the United States, allied against the Axis during World War II.
The name of the arena implies teamwork so feel free to pounce on that low and slow anchored fight.
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Thanks for the info guys, it sounds fun!
How many players are there usually in an arena?
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take it from someone who flies AVA all the time, do you have to listen to suggested rules...NO absolutely not. but if you want to be a good guy and make friends, a little courtesy goes a long way.
some people are more courteous then others. some get good 1 v 1 fights. Others, less courteous, get ganged as soon as they up. its all about attitude. your attitude will make the experience for you.
no set rules, just alot of common courtesy.
almost forgot the best part, no points. you get kills but no points. its all about having fun!
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Numbers of players varies from zero to a couple dozen - sad really, as it can be lots of fun. Apparently this past weekend, when HTC had server issues and many other arenas were fubar, it was rumored that the AvA had over a hundred people in it.
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actually it maxed out at 200.
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take it from someone who flies AVA all the time, do you have to listen to suggested rules...NO absolutely not. but if you want to be a good guy and make friends, a little courtesy goes a long way.
some people are more courteous then others. some get good 1 v 1 fights. Others, less courteous, get ganged as soon as they up. its all about attitude. your attitude will make the experience for you.
no set rules, just alot of common courtesy.
almost forgot the best part, no points. you get kills but no points. its all about having fun!
So you are saying that the "friendly and courteous" AvA regulars are only courteous if they perceive that you are obeying their imaginary rules. Otherwise, all bets are off and those who do not fall into the "pretty please may I fight" mold will be mercilessly hunted by packs of roving "friendly and courteous" AvA regulars? Did I get that straight?
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No Dawger, if we see you we will hunt you down and gang you till you leave for making such intelligent posts...
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Dawger, that pot is empty, quit stirring it.
RTR
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Hello Frank
The AvA is a place to hone your skills amd make new friends. You'll fly next to people that have shot you down in the MA or you have shot down in the MA. You typically do not have to worry about an inbound con hoing you as that is self policed most of the time. The arena is all about the fight. You'll probably find yourslef on the deck knife fighting somebody and win or lose you will have more confidence that you can carry into the MA. You'll look at the planeset in a different way too. You'll see what a 109 G2 or a P38G can really do and so on,
You do tend to see the odd person with a lot of alt but they end up coming down and fighting as nobody can be bothered flying to 20k for a series of passes that ends after a short while. So in conclusion you will make new friends, learn new skills and have a lot fun. Based on that premise alone the AvA is worth it's weight in gold.
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Is it cooling down in here. Yup, must be the shade
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You know what... I spent a few hours in the AvA a couple weeks ago. My squad decided to accept an invitiation to participate in an AvA mission. You AvA guys are fooling yourselves about some mysterious honor system. My AvA experience included the same gangings and HOs that I expect in the MA. We went into the AvA hoping for something different, personally I only found more of the same. Just on a smaller scale.
More power to you AvA guys, hope you continue to enjoy yourselves there. Unless things change, I won't be back there. I can find the same type of fights in the Main Arena. Honestly, you really should consider not trying to advertise your Arena as "The Honorable Place to Find the Perfect Fight that isn't a Gangfest or HO festival'. You simply aren't what you're pushing, in my opinion. You would be better served by pushing the historical matchups and changing scenarios a little more, that's really the only thing that distinguishes you from the MA. Those of us who have visited the AvA arena hoping for a better fight just get more disappointed by the same old dweebery and don't really want to try again.
Just my opinion, use it to help yourselves... Or not... Your choice...
Best of luck to you.
:salute
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Frank its very simple. If you come into the AvA and want to be accepted with open arms its best to keep the MA tactics in the MA. Just come in and treat people that are fighting the way you would like to be treated. Don't come in like some people HOing or vulching and expect that 'AvA regulars' are just going to sit back and take it because they wont. Think of it as going into someones home for the first time. Do you just walk in without knocking, sit down, kick your muddy boots up on the table, and demand a beer? Or do you treat those people and their house with respect? Because that's what the AvA is for some of us, a home. For some its the ONLY arena they play in because people respect others fights. We've shaped the so that skill level really does matter. Not who has the most alt in their hotrod plane. Only in the AvA have I seen SBDs out fly A6M or 190A5 down on the deck knife fighting a Hurri. Not because they got caught low and couldn't run away, but because they wanted a challenge. As I said come in and treat other peoples fights with respect and You'll want to come back for more.
BTW there are no 'rules' that you HAVE to follow just some guidelines that some ask you to take in to consideration so you don't ruin other peoples fun.
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BTW there are no 'rules' that you HAVE to follow just some guidelines that some ask you to take in to consideration so you don't ruin other peoples fun.
:aok
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You know what... I spent a few hours in the AvA a couple weeks ago. My squad decided to accept an invitiation to participate in an AvA mission. You AvA guys are fooling yourselves about some mysterious honor system. My AvA experience included the same gangings and HOs that I expect in the MA. We went into the AvA hoping for something different, personally I only found more of the same. Just on a smaller scale.
More power to you AvA guys, hope you continue to enjoy yourselves there. Unless things change, I won't be back there. I can find the same type of fights in the Main Arena. Honestly, you really should consider not trying to advertise your Arena as "The Honorable Place to Find the Perfect Fight that isn't a Gangfest or HO festival'. You simply aren't what you're pushing, in my opinion. You would be better served by pushing the historical matchups and changing scenarios a little more, that's really the only thing that distinguishes you from the MA. Those of us who have visited the AvA arena hoping for a better fight just get more disappointed by the same old dweebery and don't really want to try again.
Just my opinion, use it to help yourselves... Or not... Your choice...
Best of luck to you.
:salute
This an example someone confusing Wednesday Night Missions with regular AvA fights. They are clearly two different things and he didn't know what he was getting himself into. There was a mission going on which involved a bomber force, its escort, and defenders trying to stop the invaders. Not 100% if this was him and if it wasn't I'm sorry, but he complained that the escorts ganged him while he was trying to kill bombers. Well what do expect them to do sit there and watch you kill all the bombers? They were doing their job and that was to protect the bombers.
Now if he would have come in the arena any other time there would have been a good chance of him finding some good fights. Instead he came in the arena on the one night where flying at 20k and flying 'historical' isn't frowned upon by the rest of the arena.
On the other hand Iv had some people that have never come into the AvA or just don't like it tell me after a mission that they will join in on one each time I run one.
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This an example someone confusing Wednesday Night Missions with regular AvA fights. They are clearly two different things and he didn't know what he was getting himself into. There was a mission going on which involved a bomber force, its escort, and defenders trying to stop the invaders. Not 100% if this was him and if it wasn't I'm sorry, but he complained that the escorts ganged him while he was trying to kill bombers. Well what do expect them to do sit there and watch you kill all the bombers? They were doing their job and that was to protect the bombers.
Wrong. I entered the AvA arena about 3 hours before the mission. I had bought the "spin", thought it sounded good. I went to the AvA looking for this bill of goods that you continue to try to sell. What I found in my hours before the Wed Mission? More of the same.
Larry, I respect you. I actually believe that there are a few guys who believe what you believe. Unfortunately, anytime the AvA population surges above about 10 people, you get folks that don't have your ideals. At that point, it isn't what you are selling. (Don't make the mistake of thinking I only have one AvA experience, I've been there many times).
You can continue to try and belittle my opinion if you like. I'm just trying to help you out by showing you how the AvA is viewed by a lot of folks who have tried it and not found it to be "as advertised"...
:salute
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And another thing, while I'm at it...
You really should stop trying to equate yourselves to FSO.
The only thing the AvA has in common with FSO is the Allied Vs Axis set up. Not a whole lot more.
SnapShots maybe... FSO, nah... There's no cohesiveness... No planning... No real goal... You lack the honesty of the single life, like FSO. The single life really changes the dynamic. Infinite lives in AvA makes it more like the MA then anything else...
But whatever...
You might consider that your Arena is so lightly populated because it is pretty much more of the same with the aircraft choice restrictions.
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Wrong. I entered the AvA arena about 3 hours before the mission. I had bought the "spin", thought it sounded good. I went to the AvA looking for this bill of goods that you continue to try to sell. What I found in my hours before the Wed Mission? More of the same.
Larry, I respect you. I actually believe that there are a few guys who believe what you believe. Unfortunately, anytime the AvA population surges above about 10 people, you get folks that don't have your ideals. At that point, it isn't what you are selling. (Don't make the mistake of thinking I only have one AvA experience, I've been there many times).
You can continue to try and belittle my opinion if you like. I'm just trying to help you out by showing you how the AvA is viewed by a lot of folks who have tried it and not found it to be "as advertised"...
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Well theres the problem right there. Other people come in and do something but we get the blame. As I said the only thing we can do is suggest guildlines. Its up to each person to decide if they will follow them or not. Iv said for years the more people that come into the AvA the crappier the fights are. There is always an exception but this is for the most part true. Unfortunately when numbers come in to the arena and a furball starts all it takes is one person to HO or pick and a chainreaction ensues.
As I said most of the time the arena has good clean fights but all it takes is one bad apple to start fighting dirty and things go wrong fast. I suggest that you try the arena again when there isn't a mission scheduled and see how you like the fights. I cant promice anything but odds are you will like what you find, and remember if something bad does happen don't go blaming it on the whole arena because of one person.
I'm not belittling your opinion. I just remember someone whining about getting ganged during the mission by escorts. Again not 100% I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I do believe it was you.
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And another thing, while I'm at it...
You really should stop trying to equate yourselves to FSO.
The only thing the AvA has in common with FSO is the Allied Vs Axis set up. Not a whole lot more.
SnapShots maybe... FSO, nah... There's no cohesiveness... No planning... No real goal... You lack the honesty of the single life, like FSO. The single life really changes the dynamic. Infinite lives in AvA makes it more like the MA then anything else...
But whatever...
You might consider that your Arena is so lightly populated because it is pretty much more of the same with the aircraft choice restrictions.
The only person that said anything about FSO is antivortex and from my understating he only mentioned it to tell him we have setups like it. Not that its JUST LIKE it. I'm starting to get the feeling that you are someone who is only interested in putting the arena down and running others away because you didn't find what you liked from one night of arena play. Again I suggest that you put more time into the arena before coming here and saying such harsh things.
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Well theres the problem right there. Other people come in and do something but we get the blame. As I said the only thing we can do is suggest guildlines. Its up to each person to decide if they will follow them or not. Iv said for years the more people that come into the AvA the crappier the fights are. There is always an exception but this is for the most part true. Unfortunately when numbers come in to the arena and a furball starts all it takes is one person to HO or pick and a chainreaction ensues.
As I said most of the time the arena has good clean fights but all it takes is one bad apple to start fighting dirty and things go wrong fast. I suggest that you try the arena again when there isn't a mission scheduled and see how you like the fights. I cant promice anything but odds are you will like what you find, and remember if something bad does happen don't go blaming it on the whole arena because of one person.
I'm not belittling your opinion. I just remember someone whining about getting ganged during the mission by escorts. Again not 100% I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I do believe it was you.
Wow... So the AvA is what you say it is, up until somebody else shows up? If it is so great, why the heck are you trying so hard to attract more players? Wow...
Every time I have visited the AvA, I've been ganged. Just like the MA. Almost every time I've been to the AvA, I've been HO'd... Just like the MA... You know what, I did complain to you after the Wednesday mission. Just as you recall. I complained out of frustration, because I had been in the AvA for several hours. I had gone out of my way not to gang... I had gone out of my way not to fire if it could even loosely be interpreted as a HO... Our entire squad was under orders not to HO, to respect the "rules" of the Arena. Heck, I got HO'd by the guy who later in the evening was put in charge of the opposition of the Wed Mission. What does that say to me? To get HO'd by a guy, then later see that he is "respected" enough in the AvA to lead a side during a Wednesday event?
You guys in the AvA need to do some soul searching and decide what it is that you really want to be... Then work to live up to that... This honor and fluff garbage is pretty much just that...
Sorry...
:salute from a very unsatisified AvA user
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I'm starting to get the feeling that you are someone who is only interested in putting the arena down and running others away because you didn't find what you liked from one night of arena play. Again I suggest that you put more time into the arena before coming here and saying such harsh things.
Wow.... Just wow...
You guys seem really interested in drawing more interest, but the second somebody has a negative "wave" to send your way and it's all over... Nothing I have to say is of value, apparently...
Good luck with that then Larry... Hope you get what you want out of the AvA. :salute
((Here's a hint, don't automatically slam folks who have criticism. Some of us would love for you to succeed and can see things from a different angle then you see yourself.))
EDIT: Oh this is priceless... A little reading and I find this... From a different recent thread..
My very 1st sortie, I was on the recieving end of a straight up dirty HO! I saw nothing to indicate it was any different then the LW arenas, other than there were less peeps in the arena overall! But in the one area that we all were at, it was "pikhoackhidefest " as usual!
As soon as I arrived squadies were complainin about the HOFEST you guys were dishin out, then I herd a squady say he vulched m00t--> LOL anyway snake and I put an end to the vulchin and any HOing that may be comin from the Unforgiven. The HOfest from the axis continued in ernest! As I told larry over private, You guys made the challenge, Get your country under control and lets get to smackin each other around! Some of the HOin was not comin from you guys but having made the challenge in an arena you are trying to promote you should be more pro-active in honoring clean fights <S>
Oh and BTW your propaganda is full of lies and distortions
Maybe I'm not the only person who thinks you shouldn't be pushing an Arena that really doesn't exist...
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Since you seem to be ignoring one HUGE thing Ill say it one more time. We cannot control what other people do. WE can only give out guidelines and its up to OTHER PEOPLE to decide if they want to follow them or not. When you come in and say the every time you have been to the AvA you've been HOed or ganged then that's normal. Sure you may get one or two a night but the way you are coming off is seems that every single fight you had in the AvA has had a HO or gang. And if you can come here and tell me that each time you were in the AvA all you saw were HOs and gangs then eather you are very unlucky to come in one only bad nights or you are exaggerating. Take if from someone who is in the AvA almost every night that's not how it always is.
VWExx1 has been the guy Iv chosen to lead the defending side since he knows what goes on with them. He volunteered the first time I ran a mission and because I know he is a good leader Iv always ask him first ever since. I know that he will follow the rules for that mission and make it fun for all sides not just the one he is on.
So I ask again, please come try the arena out again.
To your edit:
Quoting shreck isn't helping your case any. His squad came in and their first sorties ganged us 3,4,5 to 1. Then they deacked our field and started vulching. I don't know about you but when I'm getting ganged and vulched hell yes I will start HOing to try and get an even fight. He said that he called off the HOs from his squad. When I saw very little Hoing from his squad in the first place. What I did see was a MA squad coming to the AvA with MA tactics then wondering why we switched to MA tactics as well.
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Wow... So the AvA is what you say it is, up until somebody else shows up? If it is so great, why the heck are you trying so hard to attract more players? Wow...
Every time I have visited the AvA, I've been ganged. Just like the MA. Almost every time I've been to the AvA, I've been HO'd... Just like the MA... You know what, I did complain to you after the Wednesday mission. Just as you recall. I complained out of frustration, because I had been in the AvA for several hours. I had gone out of my way not to gang... I had gone out of my way not to fire if it could even loosely be interpreted as a HO... Our entire squad was under orders not to HO, to respect the "rules" of the Arena. Heck, I got HO'd by the guy who later in the evening was put in charge of the opposition of the Wed Mission. What does that say to me? To get HO'd by a guy, then later see that he is "respected" enough in the AvA to lead a side during a Wednesday event?
You guys in the AvA need to do some soul searching and decide what it is that you really want to be... Then work to live up to that... This honor and fluff garbage is pretty much just that...
Sorry...
:salute from a very unsatisified AvA user
You can't expect everyone to fly the same way. Everyone's opinion about the "right" way to fight is different. Nothing wrong with that -- but it changes the dynamics of the environment.
In a competitive environment (and what other term can we use for a game where you shoot other people?), a player must adapt to be successful. If player A normally never HOs, but is HOed every fight for 10 fights -- guess what -- he'll probably start resorting to HOing to enjoy a modicum of success. Doesn't make it a regular practice for that individual.
The problem many seem to have is that they expect absolute consistency. But when the names change, you simply can not have that expectation and be satisfied. The "guidelines" that are often suggested would make the arena more fun according to those who champion them. But if someone has a different opinion, it is much easier for that person to affect/control the enviromnment than those trying to restrict themselves to an extent.
Doesn't mean they shouldn't come in -- they absolutely should! Maybe they will, in time, begin to see that the "guidelines" make sense and make things more fun (or not - their choice). But people like you would do well to see that if some of the regulars adapt to the environment that results from the new faces, it is exactly that - adaptation - and not adoption of the same philosophy.
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If the AvA is as fun as its forums, count me in :aok
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If the AvA is as fun as its forums, count me in :aok
:lol :aok Dont listen to Dawger, hes an idiot.
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:salute from a very unsatisified AvA user
Oh no! We have a unsatisfied user!
I'm sure the CM guys are all beat up about not forfilling you're expectations of what you deem to be a satisfactory and enjoyable arena. After all they're main job is to keep you 100% satisfied while not getting paid by HT for it.
Those of us who have visited the AvA arena hoping for a better fight just get more disappointed by the same old dweebery and don't really want to try again.
Just my opinion, use it to help yourselves... Or not... Your choice...
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Is it really just you're opinion or do you speak for others too?
Bye Bye! Good luck! Don't let the door hit you on the rear on the way out :salute
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:lol :aok Dont listen to Dawger, hes an idiot.
Thanks for the compliment. And I sincerely mean that.
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Wow.... Just wow...
You guys seem really interested in drawing more interest, but the second somebody has a negative "wave" to send your way and it's all over... Nothing I have to say is of value, apparently...
Good luck with that then Larry... Hope you get what you want out of the AvA. :salute
((Here's a hint, don't automatically slam folks who have criticism. Some of us would love for you to succeed and can see things from a different angle then you see yourself.))
EDIT: Oh this is priceless... A little reading and I find this... From a different recent thread..
Maybe I'm not the only person who thinks you shouldn't be pushing an Arena that really doesn't exist...
My experience with online flight sims (and life in general) is the folks who desperately push a set of rules are the folks that will break them most often and be the most vehement in their defense of why they broke them.
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There he goes with rules again.
Dawger please show me where someone posted rules of the AvA and said you HAVE to follow them.
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Thanks for the compliment. And I sincerely mean that.
No problem.
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There he goes with rules again.
Dawger please show me where someone posted rules of the AvA and said you HAVE to follow them.
Or perhaps we can just drop it! This topic has been discussed, rediscussed and overdiscussed for years. I think it's nice that Frank3 is coming to visit. Bring friends!
- oldman
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That's very unlikely OM. For some reason Dawger has it drilled into his head that there are rules in the AvA when there isn't. If you search his posts about the AvA you'll see what I'm talking about. He is obsessed with nonexistent rules of the AvA.
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Or perhaps we can just drop it! This topic has been discussed, rediscussed and overdiscussed for years. I think it's nice that Frank3 is coming to visit. Bring friends!
- oldman
Thanks for the welcome Oldman, I'm not quite there yet though! But certainly considering to join soon.
And don't worry, I've always followed a certain 'code of conduct' which worked pretty well for me and fellow players. And I'm not the kind of score-kind of guy who will do everything for a kill :)
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As a general rule of thumb if you come upon a 1 on 1 it is always good to ask on country if that person would like help in the fight before just jumping in ah la MA style.
From this thread. Post number two. The new guy would assume the imaginary rules aren't so imaginary.
I only reply.
And, yes, I am obsessed with it.
When folks stop posting rules, I'll stop replying to the posts.
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Thanks for the welcome Oldman, I'm not quite there yet though! But certainly considering to join soon.
And don't worry, I've always followed a certain 'code of conduct' which worked pretty well for me and fellow players. And I'm not the kind of score-kind of guy who will do everything for a kill :)
And the new guy thinks he has to have some sort of good guy resume just to fly in the AvA. Where would he have gotten that idea?
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take it from someone who flies AVA all the time, do you have to listen to suggested rules...NO absolutely not. but if you want to be a good guy and make friends, a little courtesy goes a long way.
some people are more courteous then others. some get good 1 v 1 fights. Others, less courteous, get ganged as soon as they up. its all about attitude. your attitude will make the experience for you.
no set rules, just alot of common courtesy.
almost forgot the best part, no points. you get kills but no points. its all about having fun!
Maybe from this post.......
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How can one test the waters with soo many fish hooks to navigate.
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Anyone know who this Dawger guy is? He comes out of no where and just starts crying about everything. Kinda reminds me of that 1Hunglo kid.
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I know who he is.
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You want the full resume or the cover letter?
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<yawn> .squelch Dawger
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<yawn> .squelch Dawger
It is good to know you care.
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Anyone know who this Dawger guy is?
Here he is:
(http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/31167.jpg)
looking good there cap! :D
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That's a nice picture of me although I wished I had ironed my uniform.
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;)
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That's a nice picture of me although I wished I had ironed my uniform.
Yeah, your shoes need polishing too.
Straighten up and fly right Mister! ;)
RTR
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Interesting to see how a simple question can end up in a flamewar :lol