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Title: i-16
Post by: cp101 on June 10, 2009, 06:44:14 PM
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: choppit on June 10, 2009, 06:49:02 PM
I think you're talking about the Brewster........


Thats not the Swastika in the context that they're not allowed, thats the FAF's roundel, and they had it since 1918 IIRC. I'm sure many people can give a more in-depth explanation to this.
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Wmaker on June 10, 2009, 06:49:50 PM
 
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16

:huh
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Motherland on June 10, 2009, 06:53:00 PM
Contrary to (unfortunately) popular belief, the Swastika was not a Nazi symbol. It was around for thousands of years, being associated with good luck in cultures around the world before the Nazis defaced it and gave it a new connotation for Western Culture, and is still held as a holy symbol and a good luck symbol in many Eastern cultures. The blue swastika in the white circle was adopted as the roundel for the Finnish Air Force in 1918, 2 years before it was adopted as the symbol of the Nazi party.

There are other examples of pre Nazi use of the Swastika here.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,265939.75.html
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: MachFly on June 10, 2009, 07:08:23 PM
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16

WHAT??
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 10, 2009, 07:21:00 PM
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16

Take some time to read this and educate yourself.

Quote
It must be noted that the Finnish blue swastika (hakaristi) famously used on the Finnish aircraft during the war was not a Nazi symbol. Apart from aircraft, different designs of the swastika was used on armoured vehicles, awards (Order of the Cross of Freedom for example), the Anti-Aircraft Artillery, the Lotta Svärd organization (female auxiliaries) and on flags (for example the one used by the President 1920-1944) to name a few examples.

It was originally a Hindi symbol of luck used by the family of the Swedish Count Eric von Rosen who donated the first aircraft, a Thulin D Parasol (a license-built Morane-Saulnier L), to the Finnish (White) Army 6 Mar 1918 during the Finnish War of Independence (or Finnish Civil War).

It was adopted as the national marking of the Finnish Air Force in honour of him and later on also by the Army.

After the war, the swastika was abandoned as a symbol and instead a blue and white roundel was adopted.

Another example of swastika use during the inter-war period not influenced by the German NSDAP was the red swastika used by Latvia as the national symbol on their aircraft

Here are some other examples.

Captured T-50 tank
(http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/f/fi-t50.jpg)

StuG IIIG
(http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/m/museum-oulo-3.jpg)

Latil M2TL6
(http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/f/fi-latil-aa.jpg)

and of course, the Brewster.
(http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/f/fi-brewster-buffalo.jpg)

Source (http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=6577)


ack-ack
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: choppit on June 10, 2009, 07:30:03 PM
and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16


I only count 4  :confused:
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: MachFly on June 10, 2009, 07:38:06 PM
Take some time to read this and educate yourself.

I don't know, I just don't see any swastikas on the I-16


And calling a brewster an I-16 is like calling 190 a spitfire.
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 11, 2009, 02:08:56 AM
I don't know, I just don't see any swastikas on the I-16


And calling a brewster an I-16 is like calling 190 a spitfire.

Because it's quite obvious that the OP was referring to the Brewster but isn't bright enough to realize that he posted the pictures of the wrong plane.


ack-ack
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: USCH on June 11, 2009, 09:06:25 AM
they are there just look vary vary vary vary close  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Nilsen on June 11, 2009, 10:10:19 AM
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16

Dont expect a Pulitzer for that bit of investigating journalism even if it was first class  :)
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: texastc316 on June 11, 2009, 01:48:40 PM
summertime. get the bugspray
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Die Hard on June 11, 2009, 06:29:31 PM
Killmarks? I can't see toejam.
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Spikes on June 11, 2009, 07:56:21 PM
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16
(http://cdawgownd.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/epic-fail2.jpg)
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Cajunn on June 11, 2009, 08:44:30 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/29/Red_button.png/180px-Red_button.png)


(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban139l.jpg)

Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Enker on June 11, 2009, 09:51:15 PM
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16
Well then, the skin editor should say no NAZI swastikas allowed, there is a major difference between the swastika and the Nazi swastika. One of the easiest ways of telling the two apart is that the Nazi swastika is rotated, while the swastika is parallel to what would be level when in the air. Surely a gibbering baboon like you would be able to tell the difference between the two, or at least be able to use proper grammar and spelling in your humble request for information, if that is what the jumbled text that I have quoted is intended to be.
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: RipChord929 on June 12, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
Thats not quite so... In the Nazi movement, the swastika
sitting level stood for the solidity and strength of the State..
And sitting on its corner, stood for the inexorable power of
the Nazi political movement...

 :salute RC
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Masherbrum on June 12, 2009, 01:08:09 PM
bad influence ah clearly staes on the skin editor "no swastikas allowed" and there are 5 swasikas on the i-16

God just shot a puppy.   
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Masherbrum on June 12, 2009, 01:11:29 PM
Thats not quite so... In the Nazi movement, the swastika
sitting level stood for the solidity and strength of the State..
And sitting on its corner, stood for the inexorable power of
the Nazi political movement...

 :salute RC

There is a difference between the Finnish (Tursaansydän) and Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "swastikas".   If anyone disagrees, then you should lock yourself in a Library and read until the point is made. 
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: RipChord929 on June 12, 2009, 01:34:45 PM
Notice it says "In the Nazi movement"?
What I wrote, IS so!!!!

And, I do know the diff!!!   I have no problem
with the use of swastikas in this game!
It's historical, so they belong there! If the game
was too PC, and the symbols were blurred or
omitted... That would really suck!!!

Loosen up! Sheesh!

RC
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Motherland on June 12, 2009, 01:37:13 PM
Would be nice if we could actually use NSDAP swastikas... I'm sure they hold bad connotations for a lot of people, but I mean, it's history... and the tailplanes of German aircraft just look so empty without them...
Over PC German government :furious
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: BlauK on June 12, 2009, 02:10:24 PM

I only count 4  :confused:

6 ;)
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Masherbrum on June 12, 2009, 02:15:43 PM
Notice it says "In the Nazi movement"?
What I wrote, IS so!!!!

And, I do know the diff!!!   I have no problem
with the use of swastikas in this game!
It's historical, so they belong there! If the game
was too PC, and the symbols were blurred or
omitted... That would really suck!!!

Loosen up! Sheesh!

RC

While your response is laughable, I addressed the Community.   Lighten up Francis.
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: RipChord929 on June 12, 2009, 07:11:14 PM
 :rofl  At ease, Comrade Cupcake!
Title: Re: i-16
Post by: Masherbrum on June 12, 2009, 11:57:14 PM
:rofl  At ease, Comrade Cupcake!

 :D