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Title: Windows RC7
Post by: saantana on June 11, 2009, 08:32:31 AM
Hey guys,

I was wondering if any one has tried running Aces High 2 on Windows RC7 and what were the results.
Please let me know

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Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 11, 2009, 10:40:57 AM
It's running fine. A little lower fps than in XP but OTOH windows 7 doesnt seem to suffer from sound related stutters like XP does.

Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 11, 2009, 11:30:40 AM
It's running fine. A little lower fps than in XP but OTOH windows 7 doesnt seem to suffer from sound related stutters like XP does.



what MrRipley has said x's 2......... except I have not suffered any FPS loss, and I have actually gained in my monitor max resolution from 70 hz to 75 hz @ 1280 x 1024.....and it hovers around 75 to 71 constant in Windows 7 RC1.............only draw back is in windows7 if I go in and max out all settings like antialising  and antostrophing (<spellings) and all other settings MAXED, it will lose video input after 40 or so minutes.  AA x8  antistrophing x16  on an Ati HD 3870 TOP 512meg DDR4 ASUS card using 9.4 drivers.... I have the 64bit win7 version installed.......

if I drop the settings back to 1/2 or less on each setting, I experience no problems at all......is flawless  and my framerates are identical to my winXPpro SP3 32 bit that uses nothing but the display driver ( I have ATI TrayTools loaded but disabled )

edited NOTE - if I Max out my settings using ATI Traytools in Win XP pro, it does not affect my videocard or lose video.....it just lowers the fps I am able to obtain....... I could overclock ( I actually have to see how far it would go, which is quite impressive )my videocard in both WinXppro & Win7 RC1 but there is no need to overclock anything really......... I can easily overclock my CPU, my memory & my video card, but there is no need since it performs well as is.......

PC specs:
AMD Athlon64 6400 X2  3.21ghz stock settings
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe w/ WiFi MB
4 gigs Corsair pc6400 DDR2  ram
3 320 gig Hitachi SATA II HD's  ( WinXP Pro 32 bit & Windows7 RC1 64 bit )
ASUS Ati HD3870 TOP 512 Meg DDR4 PCI-E Vidcard
PC Power & Cooling 750watt PSU
Antec 900 case
Xtreme Fatality pro gamer series PCI soundcard
CH Products HOTAS ( fiter stick/throttle/rudder pedals   USB )

YMMV
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 11, 2009, 12:05:02 PM
what MrRipley has said x's 2......... except I have not suffered any FPS loss

Just a note that in game my fps is steady 59fps (locked to refresh) but in the graphics test tool my fps was 250 in XP and 200 in Win7 x64 using the same hardware.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: BaldEagl on June 11, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
what MrRipley has said x's 2......... except I have not suffered any FPS loss, and I have actually gained in my monitor max resolution from 70 hz to 75 hz @ 1280 x 1024.....and it hovers around 75 to 71 constant in Windows 7 RC1.............only draw back is in windows7 if I go in and max out all settings like antialising  and antostrophing (<spellings) and all other settings MAXED, it will lose video input after 40 or so minutes.  AA x8  antistrophing x16  on an Ati HD 3870 TOP 512meg DDR4 ASUS card using 9.4 drivers.... I have the 64bit win7 version installed.......

if I drop the settings back to 1/2 or less on each setting, I experience no problems at all......is flawless  and my framerates are identical to my winXPpro SP3 32 bit that uses nothing but the display driver ( I have ATI TrayTools loaded but disabled )

edited NOTE - if I Max out my settings using ATI Traytools in Win XP pro, it does not affect my videocard or lose video.....it just lowers the fps I am able to obtain....... I could overclock ( I actually have to see how far it would go, which is quite impressive )my videocard in both WinXppro & Win7 RC1 but there is no need to overclock anything really......... I can easily overclock my CPU, my memory & my video card, but there is no need since it performs well as is.......

PC specs:
AMD Athlon64 6400 X2  3.21ghz stock settings
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe w/ WiFi MB
4 gigs Corsair pc6400 DDR2  ram
3 320 gig Hitachi SATA II HD's  ( WinXP Pro 32 bit & Windows7 RC1 64 bit )
ASUS Ati HD3870 TOP 512 Meg DDR4 PCI-E Vidcard
PC Power & Cooling 750watt PSU
Antec 900 case
Xtreme Fatality pro gamer series PCI soundcard
CH Products HOTAS ( fiter stick/throttle/rudder pedals   USB )

YMMV

This sounds to me like you are overstressing your video card and it is shutting down due to heat.  If you haven't already done so I would suggest downloading and installing Riva Tuner and use it to set your video card fan speed to 65-70% minimum constant speed.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: saantana on June 11, 2009, 01:15:54 PM
Hi again,

That's fantastic. I'll proceed with Win 7 RC. Thanks for the great reponses.

P.S TequilaChaser - that's a monster of a system.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: doc1kelley on June 12, 2009, 10:56:18 AM
This sounds to me like you are overstressing your video card and it is shutting down due to heat.  If you haven't already done so I would suggest downloading and installing Riva Tuner and use it to set your video card fan speed to 65-70% minimum constant speed.

You can do this in ATI tray tools by Ray Adams under the hardware selection.  I run two Sapphire 3870's in crossfire mode with fan speed at 100%.  I DO NOT use the ATI Catalyst Control Center! You can get ATI Tray tools at http://www.guru3d.com

All the Best...

    Jay
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Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 14, 2009, 01:17:25 AM
You can do this in ATI tray tools by Ray Adams under the hardware selection.  I run two Sapphire 3870's in crossfire mode with fan speed at 100%.  I DO NOT use the ATI Catalyst Control Center! You can get ATI Tray tools at http://www.guru3d.com

All the Best...

    Jay
 awDoc1

yes Doc, I use (at times) ATI Tray Tools on my XP  partition, but have not converted it to Tray Tools on the Win7RC1  partition yet.....will be doing that when I get time and remember it.....I totally hate the Full Load CCC/Driver package and that is what I currently have on the Win7 partition..

I don't think it is over stressing the vidcard...... heck the 4 120 mm fans and the 240mm top fan along with the Memory heatsink spreaders (that come with this MB type) disipate the heat very well... when loaded heavily using a couple open windows of Autocad 2009 MEP and having internet browser open and some graphic programs open running , with WMP11 blasting out tunes or if I have Reason 4.0 crunching some audio mixing/filtering stuff,  my Processor & MB temps are steady under 42deg. C...and my vidcard is around 37 to 38.......

I think it is more a glitch in the Win7/Vista/XP 64 bit drivers currently....... Temps vary roughly 4 to 7 degrees higher on the VC, if I max the vidcard settings out....

will see if the Tray Tools switch helps it any........ got to remember that there is still alot of unavailable 64 bit drivers..... is a tedious constant updating search for new improved drivers & codecs

NOTE to BE - not sure if you missed it, if I max the VC out with ATI Tray Tools in WinXPpro it does not affect it or lose video......if I max the settings out using Win7 RC1 64bit ver with the 9.4 ATI CCC 64 bit drivers, it goes blank screen around 40 or so minutes... but an instant reboot and its right back good again......
backing them down in Win7 to around 2/3rds or 1/2 there are no problems........but I am almost certian it is not a heat issue..........btw my VC fan is manually set to 100%........ ( all fans are manually set to this..........now perhaps and this just popped in my noodle.......you think with all my hardware that I might be losing or  might not have enough available power when I max it out in Win7?  but why would it not go blank screen in Win XP? hmm........the rest of the pc setup is:
ASUS DVD DL RW Burner with Lightscribe  SATA type
ASUS DVD-Rom Drive  SATA type
9 in 1 card reader with Floppy drive.....
Dell ULTRA Sharp 19" LCD Monitor
J-S Jazz 902 Subwoofer w/ 4 sat speakers ( using 2 y splitter cables for the sats )


I use my Fluke Laser Temp Reader to shoot instant temps all over the MB, memory, vidcard, processor, N bridge / S. Bridge etc..HD's... to take C & F temp readings....and compare them to what the OSD utility shows....just to see how accurate it is being.usually with in a degree of what it says.....
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: BaldEagl on June 14, 2009, 02:24:07 AM
Definitly not a power issue with a 750W PCP&C PSU.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 14, 2009, 03:18:18 AM
In build 7000 at least (havent checked after that) my video driver would crash every time I opened any built in game (chess) or WMP. Using third party games or players didn't crash it.

Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: hyster on June 14, 2009, 04:14:04 AM
im using win7 x64 v7100 (and a few previous vers as well) i find the game runs better under win7 than XPpro although fps has dropped a bit from XP but the game seems a lot more stable. i got the nvidia settings turned up with no problems and the best thing ive found is my X52 is less problematic with win7 than XP using the driers from win update.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 14, 2009, 06:35:53 AM
In build 7000 at least (havent checked after that) my video driver would crash every time I opened any built in game (chess) or WMP. Using third party games or players didn't crash it.



that could be my problem then........ I have not let it do any updates, although I know several newer versions have been released since the initial one back in May 5th when it went public beta........ will check it out, Thx Ripley........
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 16, 2009, 10:41:33 PM

my problem has been fixed....... I updated my Ati Display Driver to the newest current Ati 64 bit driver .........

no more vidcard signal lose  when settings are maxed out in all categorys.......

must have been a glitch somewhere in the 9.4 drivers is all I can think of.......

Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: BaldEagl on June 17, 2009, 01:23:15 AM
my problem has been fixed....... I updated my Ati Display Driver to the newest current Ati 64 bit driver .........

no more vidcard signal lose  when settings are maxed out in all categorys.......

must have been a glitch somewhere in the 9.4 drivers is all I can think of.......



Glad to hear.  Something just didn't sound right as I read your post.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: Ghastly on June 17, 2009, 10:17:01 AM
Out of curiosity, are you guys who are running AH doing so "native" on RC7- or are you using XPM?

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Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 17, 2009, 11:14:07 AM
Out of curiosity, are you guys who are running AH doing so "native" on RC7- or are you using XPM?

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I never went in a checked it to run in WinXP capatibility mode..........

AH2 is a 32 bit program as far as I know...but is running under the the 64 bit Win7 , although Win7 has 2 folders one for 32 bit drivers and one for 64 bit drivers.......

Win7 also comes preloaded with Internet Explorer in both 32 bit & 64 bit flavors......( their is no 64 bit Adobe flashplayer, shockwave etc..at this time )

hope this helps......
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: Ghastly on June 17, 2009, 11:36:15 AM
XPM is different from "compatibility mode" - it's a Virtual XP system running inside your Windows 7 system, a license for which which will be (supposedly) included "for free" with the higher level W7 offerings.

More information about it in action can be found here -> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2346464,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2346464,00.asp) Some mention in the evaluation was made of DOS games, but nothing was said about Direct X-based windows games.  (Or OpenGL, either for that matter). 

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Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 17, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
Windows 64-bit systems have a 32-bit virtual layer that will run 32-bit apps directly without any special settings. The compatability mode changes the way the OS restricts the software and several other finer details in the interface.

The compatability mode is not required to run AH2 or most other programs.

XPM is meant for business users it can't handle directx games.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: hyster on June 17, 2009, 12:03:05 PM
the only thing i did when installing AH2 was to install it to c:\games (treated it as vista)
i dont run in compatability mode or xpm.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: Ghastly on June 19, 2009, 03:00:11 PM
Thx MrRipley - I didn't realize it wasn't DX compatible.  It requires VTS and the test machine here doesn't have it, so I couldn't test it on my prototype. 

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Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 20, 2009, 03:22:02 AM
Thx MrRipley - I didn't realize it wasn't DX compatible.  It requires VTS and the test machine here doesn't have it, so I couldn't test it on my prototype. 

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I think it is dx compatible per se but the performance (or so I've heard) will be substandard.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: Hamltnblue on June 21, 2009, 09:21:09 AM
I'm running Windows 7 64 bit with everything default and it runs great. Previous was Vista 64 bit.
The system runs much smoother and gone are all of those small delays and stutters that you learn to live with under vista.
If you have trackir you'll have to update to version 5 (Free download)
If you have a saitek X52 you might have to update to the beta to get full functionality out of all of the switches.
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: Sincraft on June 21, 2009, 12:53:41 PM
I run win7 x64 and have no issues as of yet.

Only thing I did notice is no calibration settings for joystick, might need sep. drivers to do so as my stick is acting up bad.

I get more fps than I did in xp.

8800gts (g92 core)
e8400 (3ghz)
4 gigs ram

pretty beefy system
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: JonMA on June 24, 2009, 05:32:23 AM
FPS stays solid at 59 (My monitors Refresh Rate).
Video Memory stays at 0.0M used which is quite funny.

Q6600@ 3.6Ghz
ATI 4870 1GB
ATI 4850 512MB
8GB G. Skill Ram 1000MHz
HP 22" Monitor
Title: Re: Windows RC7
Post by: soda72 on June 25, 2009, 10:29:35 AM
They've unveiled pricing for Windows 7

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8118749.stm