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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on June 15, 2009, 01:00:12 AM
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Tonight I got disco'd from the LWA's, worked on a spreadsheet for a bit then, not haveing had a good fight or getting my AH fix cured, decided to log on and go to the DA.
I was expecting to ask if anyone wanted to go one on one on the side but instead jumped into furball lake for only my second time ever. My first reaction was that this was no different than the LWA's as far as getting ganged, getting jumped, getting picked, etc. as a well known BBs member killed me on my first sortie in a Ki-61 1 vs 3 (soon to be 1 vs 4) with his C-Hog.
I tried a few different things; starting high, starting low, flying to the enemy's field and going one on however many there were.
Finally I went low to the middle of the lake and then everything started to click. There weren't many Bish on so it was target rich. By this time I had switched to a Spit V and was having a ball. Yeah, I got killed a lot but had 2-3 kills on most flights and had some great fun.
I guess I don't really know what the regular complaints are about furball lake. It is after all, a furball.
There's only two things I really didn't see a point in. One was guys landing kills. I just stayed out even after my ammo was gone seeing if I could get someone to auger. I guess I don't see the point in landing unless... Why the H*LL are there STATS in the DA? I clicked on /.score and low and behold there were DA stats! IMHO this is not at all in the spirit of thte DA and is the stupidest decision HT has ever made... even worse that the blue line experiment.
That said I had fun. I'll be back and this may severly decrease my time in the MA's but for dear g*d HT get rid of the stats.
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There's probably at least 10 DA pilots that would quit the game if they got rid of stats. That's like $150 bucks! That money supplies the monthly beer stock.
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"I guess I don't really know what the regular complaints are about furball lake. It is after all, a furball."
Because the fun you're having now is tiny compared to what it was then.
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I upped in the DA a few days ago. I didn't have much time, so I thought I'd retest it.
Let's just say that after a few minutes, I found no redeeming quality of the DA Furball Lake.
If you up there and enjoy it... More power to you.
If I'm going to get ganged, which happens often, I'd rather it happened in the LWA. At least there, I'm not really expecting a duel like one might in the DA.
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I like to fly in the DA when there's between 10 - 20 people on, because otherwise like last night I find it frustrating to get ganged by 4/5 people and picked whilst fighting someone 1v1, although i don't care for score..on the very rare occasion I was running low on fuel and was returning to base with 4 kills ( very high for me :D ) I said in public P38 bingo fuel please don't shoot me :D, the spit and something else gave up giving chase...but the damn typhoon chased me half way across the map to shoot me down close to my base..that has made a long standing hatred for all typhoon and tempest planes which are now kill on sight!
but what I do like about the DA is the ability to get in some good fights when the main arenas are not so active
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the furball area in the da is nothing more than a ho fest everytime i go there and try to anguage a plane .usually it hoes and runs . when you do actually find a good fight it usually ends up with someone cherry picking which i guess is ok being it is a furball area . but i laugh at the hoers and pickers that actually have the courtesy to say good fight after thiking it was actually a "fight" Try to find someone who will actually duel in the da is very hard.
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I tried a few sorties and it was fun, but definitely a meat grinder. 2 v 1, 3 v 1, 4 v 1, and even more ridiculous numbers. My opinion is that it is fun for a few sorties, but after that the shear numbers of folks pouncing on you can be a drag. You can never be high enough or fast enough in the Furball Lake!
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it was very amusing to rope 5 planes in my K4 tho :rofl :x
Shame I missed every single one of them when I came down guns blazing :uhoh
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I've been trying to work on evasives and the DA lake is perfect for that. No shortage of willing volunteers to try and kill a single low con.
And yes, it's full of pickers and gangers but for all of that everyone seems pretty cheerful and respectful and having a good time. For the most part anyway.
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I guess you didn't come across one of the DA squads (however absurd that sounds) which will fly in a somewhat organised horde of 7+ in an assortment of Nik's Chogs Zeros spit16s and look to bounce any lone stragglers or fights.
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They really love a challenge in there. :)
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I guess you didn't come across one of the DA squads (however absurd that sounds) which will fly in a somewhat organised horde of 7+ in an assortment of Nik's Chogs Zeros spit16s and look to bounce any lone stragglers or fights.
The Rowdy Ones?
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It is a FACT that there are a few DA Squads (MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oops, sorry bout that) and they do horde like a buncha flies on s...old leftovers at the outdoors picnic but they are having fun in their own way. They don't have to "buy" a ride, they can fly anything there is (almost) they can die over and over and not lose anything. They can jump someone with at least 7V1 and maybe, just maybe one of the 7 will be the one to get the kill. They don't have to worry about losing dar, they won't lose their field. The ride to the fight takes about 5-8 minutes. It's immediate gratification, valueless for some, but a great thing for them. They have a continuos influx of noob's to try out their hand at fighting so there are targets galore for the horde.
In other words they are having fun...kinda like a circle j...of friends getting together for a fun filled night of something.
Now, if you wanted to use the DA for what it was intended then there are many fields available to use. But DA lake is horde city, from all sides.
IMHO who cares if they want to think they're accomplishing something and have some silly score? Think *-player arena It has as much value in a real dogfight.
The only thing I'd hate to see happen is we lose folks because they're new and go in there out understanding just what it is only to get frustrated and quit the game. That'd be bad.
What's amazing to me is a few of those guys actually fly in the MA's every once in a while. That might be pure death to them :)
Ren
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Relativism
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The whole landing bit was brought up in another DA thread. I'm guilty of landing many times, but it's not for stats, I just like landing... If that makes sense lol.
When your out of ammo, fuel, life, etc, to me it becomes just a stressful game of dodge the BnZ as long as you can before the inevitable happens. I'd rather get home, feel happy that my cartoon pilot is still alive, and then up again! :) (It's also really fun to try to land with bits and peices missing...)
I do have fun in furball island-- most of the time. It is a bit obnoxious that people run from a 1v1 in their tempest, even though it's free, but that happens in the MA as well.
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The whole landing bit was brought up in another DA thread. I'm guilty of landing many times, but it's not for stats, I just like landing... If that makes sense lol.
Landing can be fun...:)
When your out of ammo, fuel, life, etc, to me it becomes just a stressful game of dodge the BnZ as long as you can before the inevitable happens. I'd rather get home, feel happy that my cartoon pilot is still alive, and then up again! :) (It's also really fun to try to land with bits and peices missing...)
Normally the pickers carry more than 1/4 tank. Everyone else in Furball Lake normally takes 1/4 tanks of gas. When was the last time you took off in the MA, other than a quickie base defense move, with a 1/4 tank of gas? I even take DT's. :lol
I do have fun in furball island-- most of the time. It is a bit obnoxious that people run from a 1v1 in their tempest, even though it's free, but that happens in the MA as well.
:lol it's not like they're losing any perk points!
The only problem is it's nothing remotely like flying the big arena war scenario and cost them nothing, ever. It makes you wonder if it costs you nothing and means nothing how will you ever get better? Maybe no one wants to?
But, it's available and they want to be cartoon hero's then kewl. Let em. Just don't push other noobs away, please.
Ren
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How do you conciliate being picking and ganging heroes and not pushing noobs away?
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I logged into DA 2 nights ago and there were 2 geniuses strafing the field I was on and trying to vulch while 5-6 green guys were chasing them around trying to kill them.. Just typical DA nonsense I thought.. It's very easy mode in the furball area. You can get a lot of kills flying around the cliff getting guys to horde auger into the ground..
The time I enjoy it is getting a few guys from the MA together when it's real slow and have some respectful decent fights. Inevitably you will get the guy who doesn't communicate at all and try's to interrupt your fights as you pause from the fight and tell your enemy cohort to kill the dweeb first.
You may think the guys typically in the DA leave their dweeby DA antics in the DA and don't carry it over to the MA. I have encountered a couple of 'decent sticks' in the DA, dweeb it up in the MA. One in particular that I'll call Dweeb. Dweeb gave me a few decent fights in the DA and I thought he was an OK guy. He didn't seem to pick or act dweeby. One day in the MA, I had a good 109 vs 109 on the deck fight going when I spied 2 cons coming in to attempt the pick which I couldn't do much about.. one augured and it was Dweeb! Same day Dweeb got into a co-alt co-e fight and he was killed in 1 or 2 turns, it was pretty bad.. I thought maybe it was his kid playing(if he's got kids). Same day I got picked by Dweeb in another good fight with somebody else which he knew it was me since there were only a few playing in that area of the map. I basically thought Dweeb acted like a numbers guy in the MA but he was decent in the DA. Kind of strange. Just an observation.
I think the antics in the DA may carry over and pollute the MA somehow.
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How do you conciliate being picking and ganging heroes and not pushing noobs away?
What? :x speak english please.
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We could do this in french, no chance of my miscommunicating then. Do you speak french as well as I speak english? No amount of levity will validate an invalid argument Ren... How do you equate a moshpit of ganging, picking, and general anti-gameplay dweebery as not pushing noobs away more than the old quaint check-6-to-engage environment back years ago?
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He's asking how do you reconcile the seeming contradiction between you saying on the one hand "Its there 15 bux!" and on the other "Please don't spoil the game for other people".
I'm interested in that too.
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I would guess the ratio of trigger time to flying time is making up for the picks, the hos, and the gangings for the DA peeps. You don't see a lot of grousing about gameplay on the open channel there, and you'd expect to see a lot of it.
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There's less trigger time in alt monkeys, ganging and being ganged, etc, than in fights with more even odds.
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I think the DA(furball lake) takes away from fights in the MA. If furball lake was gone, more people would be in the MA. There is hardly anyone ever fighting 'private duals' there. And if you do, expect to get interrupted by some dork who will not leave you alone even if you tell them it's a private fight.
I don't see why a new guy should ever go to the DA furball lake.. It is a complete waste of time for him/her. He will just get bounced immediately or join a horde daisy chain to hopelessly try and shoot at or hit a single con. Furball lake should be off limits to new guys for at least a month.
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In another thread I posted I explained: I went in the DA to warm up and asked if anyone would like to one on one a P47.
Feel free to use any aircraft you wish. (no takers) At that time in the tower two tempests landed with 2 killz announced on
country channel....back slapping all around. They were in a Squad.
I had trouble understanding this. I guess I'm getting old. I upped a D40 50 fuel and promptly I had my match...against 8-10
of them. I got two of them....from the tower I read... XXXX landed with 3 killz member of &%$# q8729 squadron.
I left.
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He's asking how do you reconcile the seeming contradiction between you saying on the one hand "Its there 15 bux!" and on the other "Please don't spoil the game for other people". I'm interested in that too.
It IS their $15. I don't regulate it. I can only ask the DA guys don't push away the new guys.
That falls under HTC's programmers to do. They could post a response to a newly signed up player to
go directly to the TA for setup help.
Under the list of arenas perhaps iso of Training Arena maybe it might read "New? Goto Training Arena".
HTC has made it pretty clear the DA would not be regulated and it's not. Until that happens what we see is what we get,
In the MA's when someone asks for help, after the usual alt-f4's are finished most people tell them to go to the TA.
There is no contradiction as new guys can go into the DA and train away from the Lake without much problem. Unfortunately, some people do interrupt sessions between some folks working with each other to learn. Normally they back off when asked to. Sometimes they do not. Again that is a regulatory issue.
If you are asking if people paying their $15 should be able to fly in the DA and do what they want? Ask HiTech. It's his arena. Right now the answer is yes.
Are you asking how I feel about it? I'd like to see the new guys get left alone so they might have a chance at learning the game. Other than that I could care less what they do in there. If they want to gang bang each other, go for it.
As far as the new guys, I do not control them or what they do nor would I want to. I can only point them in the right direction.
Ren
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In another thread I posted I explained: I went in the DA to warm up and asked if anyone would like to one on one a P47.
Feel free to use any aircraft you wish. (no takers) At that time in the tower two tempests landed with 2 killz announced on
country channel....back slapping all around. They were in a Squad.
I had trouble understanding this. I guess I'm getting old. I upped a D40 50 fuel and promptly I had my match...against 8-10
of them. I got two of them....from the tower I read... XXXX landed with 3 killz member of &%$# q8729 squadron.
I left.
Random idea: In the DA, you only cause damage if the guy you shoot at has acknowledged your challenge. e.g. via a check 6-like function.
Flaws: Makes many-vs.-many fights complex as english manners because you'd easily have a queue of challenges to vet. The simplest possible mechanism (1 item-long queue, 1 button press to accept challenge) would fail... Next simplest would be a ~10 item buffer, and two buttons. One accept, one reject. You press those and sort thru the list of challenges by order of reception. Either have the challenger info (matching what you see on your end, e.g. "Plane type, range, maybe player name") in the text buffer (like join requests), or have the icon and dar dot light up while the challenge is in limbo.
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It IS their $15. I don't regulate it. I can only ask the DA guys don't push away the new guys.
That falls under HTC's programmers to do. They could post a response to a newly signed up player to
go directly to the TA for setup help.
Under the list of arenas perhaps iso of Training Arena maybe it might read "New? Goto Training Arena".
HTC has made it pretty clear the DA would not be regulated and it's not. Until that happens what we see is what we get,
In the MA's when someone asks for help, after the usual alt-f4's are finished most people tell them to go to the TA.
There is no contradiction as new guys can go into the DA and train away from the Lake without much problem. Unfortunately, some people do interrupt sessions between some folks working with each other to learn. Normally they back off when asked to. Sometimes they do not. Again that is a regulatory issue.
If you are asking if people paying their $15 should be able to fly in the DA and do what they want? Ask HiTech. It's his arena. Right now the answer is yes.
Are you asking how I feel about it? I'd like to see the new guys get left alone so they might have a chance at learning the game. Other than that I could care less what they do in there. If they want to gang bang each other, go for it.
As far as the new guys, I do not control them or what they do nor would I want to. I can only point them in the right direction.
Ren
So as far as what you'd suggest, there's no contradiction between gang banging and newbies being turned off by said gang banging, because you're against regulation in the DA.
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I don't have huge respect for the guy who can only land 2 in the DA,.. try landing 5 or more in a turn fighter... you'll find it's not that easy to do when the arenas full. Making it home all shot up, outta ammo /fuel with bad guys in tow can be very challenging.
I kind of feel the same in the main. I understand the importance of giving wtg's to the newer player having 2 but for myself, I'd rather just ditch than respond to any wtg's for that.
It's more fitting for the guys who've been here longer than 6 months to see a "WTF! Only 2" mesg instead.
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DA is what it is.
The MacDonalds of the game. Not the best meal but edible and served quickly.
The squads in DA are like your "Dennis the Menace" types. Nuisances but not Charles Manson with a CH stick. They fly around in little hordes picking, hoarding and landing their Temp kills with a few WTG's between them.
Perhaps the best solution would be to put a similar disclaimer to the TA along the lines of;
"HTC accepts no responsibility and will not, in any event, be liable for the behaviour in the Dueling Arena. Upon entering the pilot accepts and acknowledges that he/she will be picked, ganged, Ho'ed and will never get any form of Check 6 by any other participants.
The pilot further acknowledges that upon entering the DA all rights to accepted Aces High criticism are withdrawn and the pilot may not seek recourse in any forum. Furthermore the pilot will accept that there are others in the DA who will land kills in a pointless fashion to seek fleeting glory."
Then you click a big button with "I Accept" and you are in.
I remember someone telling me there are a few websites where you have to acknowledge in a similar manner in order to see some photos of err, how should I put it "The Female Natural Form" before you enter. Then if you see a photo of your neighbour and the pool man in a strange wrestling match you can't complain to anyone.
Just a thought.
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Random idea: In the DA, you only cause damage if the guy you shoot at has acknowledged your challenge. e.g. via a check 6-like function.
Flaws: Makes many-vs.-many fights complex as english manners because you'd easily have a queue of challenges to vet. The simplest possible mechanism (1 item-long queue, 1 button press to accept challenge) would fail... Next simplest would be a ~10 item buffer, and two buttons. One accept, one reject. You press those and sort thru the list of challenges by order of reception. Either have the challenger info (matching what you see on your end, e.g. "Plane type, range, maybe player name") in the text buffer (like join requests), or have the icon and dar dot light up while the challenge is in limbo.
The easiest thing to do would be to get rid of the DA altogether and implement private duals like they had in AW.
Then you wouldn't even have to log out of the main arena to dual someone and you'de have the ability to start at the same field taking off in opposite directions which was the way I learned to dual. I still vividly remember dualing a squaddie and we were so low that we'de lose each other behind buildings.
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the furball area in the da is nothing more than a ho fest everytime i go there and try to anguage a plane .usually it hoes and runs . when you do actually find a good fight it usually ends up with someone cherry picking which i guess is ok being it is a furball area . but i laugh at the hoers and pickers that actually have the courtesy to say good fight after thiking it was actually a "fight" Try to find someone who will actually duel in the da is very hard.
same thing in all arenas it will never change.... get over it :aok
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another simple point to make is before htc canked 8 player the da was just a place to duel or squad train...Now Htc is makin money off the guys that were playing for free...I still think in any server type arena there should never be out of the cockpit views...When the new guys start playing they get use to this and have a hard time translating to ma's.. :salute
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Furball lake is a GLADIATOR AREANA. I have posted on this several times.
You either can hang in there or not. Do not expect any fair fights. If you want a fair fight go to a field and make your rules.
"if you want a fair fight" has been repeaded on ch 200 in the MA so many times it should be inscribed in stone somewhere on a big mountain, so don't expect one on the lake.
Look people!!! The furball lake is NOT a place for whimps. IT IS WHAT IT IS....whole squads ganging, flying perk rides, alt monkeys...all of it.
Agent sais if you go you better "BRING IT" cause if you don't your going to get owned.
It is always comical to me to hear the normal MA players go there "for a few sorties" and get there arse handed to them. That just proves how much they suk.
I have said before and I will say it again...if you THINK your good go to the lake and fly in at 5k. You will quickly find out how much you suk against the so called "baby seals"
Hell, I get bored these days in the MA...alt monkeys, running p51s and 190's, FH being dropped, vulching, long range flights...all of it. There is NOTHING going on at furball lake that isn't going on in the MA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To quote "if you can't handle the truth" then don't go there.
You don't have to fly into the middle and get ganged. There are ways of flying that will allow you to win. The only problem is everybody who is not familiar with the lake gets shot down after 3 min and then they whine like little girls because they got ganged.
I say get some skills or don't go to the lake. PERIOD.
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Furball lake is a GLADIATOR AREANA. I have posted on this several times.
You either can hang in there or not. Do not expect any fair fights. If you want a fair fight go to a field and make your rules.
"if you want a fair fight" has been repeaded on ch 200 in the MA so many times it should be inscribed in stone somewhere on a big mountain, so don't expect one on the lake.
Look people!!! The furball lake is NOT a place for whimps. IT IS WHAT IT IS....whole squads ganging, flying perk rides, alt monkeys...all of it.
Agent sais if you go you better "BRING IT" cause if you don't your going to get owned.
It is always comical to me to hear the normal MA players go there "for a few sorties" and get there arse handed to them. That just proves how much they suk.
I have said before and I will say it again...if you THINK your good go to the lake and fly in at 5k. You will quickly find out how much you suk against the so called "baby seals"
Hell, I get bored these days in the MA...alt monkeys, running p51s and 190's, FH being dropped, vulching, long range flights...all of it. There is NOTHING going on at furball lake that isn't going on in the MA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To quote "if you can't handle the truth" then don't go there.
You don't have to fly into the middle and get ganged. There are ways of flying that will allow you to win. The only problem is everybody who is not familiar with the lake gets shot down after 3 min and then they whine like little girls because they got ganged.
I say get some skills or don't go to the lake. PERIOD.
+5
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I have said before and I will say it again...if you THINK your good go to the lake and fly in at 5k. You will quickly find out how much you suk against the so called "baby seals"
Exactly what I was doing last night after a little assimilation. I'm not even sure I had 5K as I was diving off the field.
Mostly I would say they were baby seals at the lake. It seemed I was consistantly able to turn 3-4 of them into my forward view. I can't count the number that tried to run from my Spit V and I even out-turned a Hurri II until he tried to run... :rofl
There were 50 people when I logged in and all but 5-6 were at the lake. Bish were outnumbered about 4:1-6:1 on the lake so I always knew it was just going to be a matter of time but I had fun nonetheless. I even dropped the Spit V for my last sortie and jumped in a Spit I because I wanted a bigger challenge.
Anyway it is what it is and IMO it's fun but I don't see any reason to keep stats in there.
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Agent
Can't handle what truth? That one thousand lemmings somehow make good gameplay? One thousand monkeys typing up a dogfighting scenario will consistently strike the right keys to make a coherent fight sequence? Unpredictable variations?
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
What kind of mediocratic bs is that? :confused:
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Furball lake is a GLADIATOR AREANA. I have posted on this several times.
You either can hang in there or not. Do not expect any fair fights. If you want a fair fight go to a field and make your rules.
"if you want a fair fight" has been repeaded on ch 200 in the MA so many times it should be inscribed in stone somewhere on a big mountain, so don't expect one on the lake.
Look people!!! The furball lake is NOT a place for whimps. IT IS WHAT IT IS....whole squads ganging, flying perk rides, alt monkeys...all of it.
Agent sais if you go you better "BRING IT" cause if you don't your going to get owned.
It is always comical to me to hear the normal MA players go there "for a few sorties" and get there arse handed to them. That just proves how much they suk.
I have said before and I will say it again...if you THINK your good go to the lake and fly in at 5k. You will quickly find out how much you suk against the so called "baby seals"
Hell, I get bored these days in the MA...alt monkeys, running p51s and 190's, FH being dropped, vulching, long range flights...all of it. There is NOTHING going on at furball lake that isn't going on in the MA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To quote "if you can't handle the truth" then don't go there.
You don't have to fly into the middle and get ganged. There are ways of flying that will allow you to win. The only problem is everybody who is not familiar with the lake gets shot down after 3 min and then they whine like little girls because they got ganged.
I say get some skills or don't go to the lake. PERIOD.
I guess you're entitled to be incorrect on more than a few points above.
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DA is what it is.
Did you misquote or misread?
Check in future.
You would hardly think to get 5 words wrong - none of them have more than 4 letters.
Or perhaps you were quoting someone else - either way it was written as a quote.
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You either can hang in there or not. Do not expect any fair fights. If you want a fair fight go to a field and make your rules.
Look people!!! The furball lake is NOT a place for whimps. IT IS WHAT IT IS....whole squads ganging, flying perk rides, alt monkeys...all of it.
It is always comical to me to hear the normal MA players go there "for a few sorties" and get there arse handed to them. That just proves how much they suk.
I have said before and I will say it again...if you THINK your good go to the lake and fly in at 5k. You will quickly find out how much you suk against the so called "baby seals"
To quote "if you can't handle the truth" then don't go there.
I say get some skills or don't go to the lake. PERIOD.
I don't think anyone is complaining how hard it is in the DA in these posts. The DA furball lake fighting is mostly a bunch of guys who are usually easy to beat as long as you can keep them in 1's, 2's, or 3's even with no E advantage. Sure there are good players there, but few that are DA only guys. I've had better fights in the TA than a lot of the fights in the DA.
I would rather people take this stuff more seriously to get better at it and be a better fight than the DA usually gives you.
I would prefer more and better 'computer sticks' in the MA than those potential 'better stick' yet to be, languishing in the minimal skill required DA mosh pit..
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Did you misquote or misread?
Check in future.
You would hardly think to get 5 words wrong - none of them have more than 4 letters.
Or perhaps you were quoting someone else - either way it was written as a quote.
Do you normally talk to yourself?
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Agent
Can't handle what truth? That one thousand lemmings somehow make good gameplay? One thousand monkeys typing up a dogfighting scenario will consistently strike the right keys to make a coherent fight sequence? Unpredictable variations?
"IT IS WHAT IT IS"
What kind of mediocratic bs is that? :confused:
I am not saying Furball lake is either good or bad. Judge the players as you like...lemmings... monkeys...as the saying goes "any squirrel can find a nut sometimes". So what. The fact is if you happen to be the nut the squirrel finds well I guess THATS YOUR FAULT!
What I am saying is that regardless of how you judge the players at the lake the fact remains..."it is what it is". I wish I didn't have to wait in line at the store. I wish I didn't have to work. I wish I didn't have to deal with my crazy wife....etc. But like Furball lake it is always there...so deal with it or just don't go there.
As for the truth. My statement stands. You either can handle the lake or not. The players that fly there frequently may be a bunch of ganging, hoing, alt monkey retards. But that is not an excuse for anyone who gets shot down there.
The term "Gladiator Areana" is right on. You either live or die there. PERIOD. You want to fly in there and own the do so. You want to land those kills to further rub it their face. Do So.
But whining like little girls because the players there didn't fight like you wanted them to ...well thats just as lame as they are.
All this whining about furball lake is just a bunch of crap.
I am gonna say it AGAIN....all you "aces" out there will be reduced to whimpering little girls 5 min at the lake unless you face the fact that flying there is not easy. You can fight one ace or 5 lemmings. The result will be the same....you die....unless you learn to survive in the lake.
Surviving at the lake....well friends that is a matter of summoning all of your acquired ACM skill and applying in an environment of ruthless, back stabbing, low down, dirty, kill or be killed bad guys.
If one does not have the ability to hack it in a low down, back stabbing street fight, then I recommend you don't go out into the street.
As the saying goes.."You can either run with the big dogs or sit on the porch with the puppies". Now, you can call them puppies "lemmings", monkeys", or what ever you want but until you can shoot them down and stay alive until you land you are just a puppie like the rest of them.
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I am not saying Furball lake is either good or bad. Judge the players as you like...lemmings... monkeys...as the saying goes "any squirrel can find a nut sometimes". So what. The fact is if you happen to be the nut the squirrel finds well I guess THATS YOUR FAULT!
What I am saying is that regardless of how you judge the players at the lake the fact remains..."it is what it is". I wish I didn't have to wait in line at the store. I wish I didn't have to work. I wish I didn't have to deal with my crazy wife....etc. But like Furball lake it is always there...so deal with it or just don't go there.
As for the truth. My statement stands. You either can handle the lake or not. The players that fly there frequently may be a bunch of ganging, hoing, alt monkey retards. But that is not an excuse for anyone who gets shot down there.
The term "Gladiator Areana" is right on. You either live or die there. PERIOD. You want to fly in there and own the do so. You want to land those kills to further rub it their face. Do So.
But whining like little girls because the players there didn't fight like you wanted them to ...well thats just as lame as they are.
All this whining about furball lake is just a bunch of crap.
I am gonna say it AGAIN....all you "aces" out there will be reduced to whimpering little girls 5 min at the lake unless you face the fact that flying there is not easy. You can fight one ace or 5 lemmings. The result will be the same....you die....unless you learn to survive in the lake.
Surviving at the lake....well friends that is a matter of summoning all of your acquired ACM skill and applying in an environment of ruthless, back stabbing, low down, dirty, kill or be killed bad guys.
If one does not have the ability to hack it in a low down, back stabbing street fight, then I recommend you don't go out into the street.
As the saying goes.."You can either run with the big dogs or sit on the porch with the puppies". Now, you can call them puppies "lemmings", monkeys", or what ever you want but until you can shoot them down and stay alive until you land you are just a puppie like the rest of them.
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Now, you can call them puppies "lemmings", monkeys", or what ever you want but unitl you can shoot them down and stay alive until you land you are just a puppie like the rest of them.
Personally I don't see any point to landing in the DA at all... ever... and I had several opportunities to do so the other night but chose to remain testing my SA and ACM. I guess if you need the WTG's then that's your personal preference but don't go calling someone who sees no point in landing DA kills for an ego boost a "puppy".
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Furball lake was like beating down a bunch of turds on a h2h server. Id rather work reversals on some 20k MA Tempest.
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Personally I don't see any point to landing in the DA at all... ever... and I had several opportunities to do so the other night but chose to remain testing my SA and ACM. I guess if you need the WTG's then that's your personal preference but don't go calling someone who sees no point in landing DA kills for an ego boost a "puppy".
Well, not everyone has the same opinion about landing in the DA. Why land any kills in any areana? Why is the DA any different?
I may sound like I am somehow defending the "lemmings" of furball lake, but I am not.
I AM SAYING that landing kills there has NOTHING to do with anything. So what if they land. Who cares.
Personally, after I fly in low on the deck, out fly, out gun and dispense pure, outright ownage upon the masses of lemming retards, I in fact do go and land just so they know I owned them. That is "my" reward for landing. I could care less about DA points, wtg's or anything else.
Other times I don't give a crap about landing and fly until I am out of fuel or bullets...then just auger. After I kill them they know the got owned. So landing is a matter of adding some additional icing on the cake....a little more twisting of the knife.
You know, lemmings are good for a lot of things. Target practice with taters, practicing winging, experimenting with different tactics in different planes, practicing dead six reversals (my favorite).
My beef is with all the whining girls who can't hack in the lake.
Reminds me of a story my son told me about the playground. He got challenged to the monkey bars by a bunch of girls. He could't make it across and dropped off. They all made fun of him. Now everytime we drive by that particular playground he sais "i don't like that playground...thats were the girls beat me on the monkey bars".
Man you guys crack me up....whaaaa wahhhh...they land kills,,,whahhh wahhhhh they gang,....blah blah blah blah blah.
I suggest you guys go there and kick the crap out of them then dispense some smak on all channel. I think that might be better than all this DA whining threads.
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haha... yes, it gets better!
This thread DOES suck. ;)
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Well, not everyone has the same opinion about landing in the DA. Why land any kills in any areana? Why is the DA any different?
I may sound like I am somehow defending the "lemmings" of furball lake, but I am not.
I AM SAYING that landing kills there has NOTHING to do with anything. So what if they land. Who cares.
Personally, after I fly in low on the deck, out fly, out gun and dispense pure, outright ownage upon the masses of lemming retards, I in fact do go and land just so they know I owned them. That is "my" reward for landing. I could care less about DA points, wtg's or anything else.
Other times I don't give a crap about landing and fly until I am out of fuel or bullets...then just auger. After I kill them they know the got owned. So landing is a matter of adding some additional icing on the cake....a little more twisting of the knife.
You know, lemmings are good for a lot of things. Target practice with taters, practicing winging, experimenting with different tactics in different planes, practicing dead six reversals (my favorite).
My beef is with all the whining girls who can't hack in the lake.
Reminds me of a story my son told me about the playground. He got challenged to the monkey bars by a bunch of girls. He could't make it across and dropped off. They all made fun of him. Now everytime we drive by that particular playground he sais "i don't like that playground...thats were the girls beat me on the monkey bars".
Man you guys crack me up....whaaaa wahhhh...they land kills,,,whahhh wahhhhh they gang,....blah blah blah blah blah.
I suggest you guys go there and kick the crap out of them then dispense some smak on all channel. I think that might be better than all this DA whining threads.
Who are you, and what have you done with Agent360?
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There's been an influx of unnecessary ego lately, but this thread takes the cake.
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I will now take this time to let everyone know that they can calm down, I am the best pilot in AH. Thank you.
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Man that is some sorry poop right there.
I am not saying Furball lake is either good or bad.
It sucks. Crappy sticks with crappy attitudes and crappy prospects thanks to a crappy status quo. Whether you like that or not. It's crap.
Judge the players as you like...lemmings... monkeys...as the saying goes "any squirrel can find a nut sometimes". So what. The fact is if you happen to be the nut the squirrel finds well I guess THATS YOUR FAULT!
Judge? As if there's any doubt as to how crappy they are as sticks, regardless of what they are as people? The "judgement" has nothing to do with what the guy behind the stick is like in reality, how good a cook or father or friend or anything else but what he flies and fights like in the game. That ain't freakin rocket science. They suck overall. Exceptions don't make the rule. And that's my fault? That they're crap and refuse to make the minimum of effort to fly and fight at minimum standards? In fact the DA lake is a perfect example of what happens when the players are free to follow the paths of least resistance. Fudge that all you want with it being anything but their own volition and fault. "MY FAULT". :lol It's got nothing to do with who's to blame.
What I am saying is that regardless of how you judge the players at the lake the fact remains..."it is what it is". I wish I didn't have to wait in line at the store. I wish I didn't have to work. I wish I didn't have to deal with my crazy wife....etc. But like Furball lake it is always there...so deal with it or just don't go there.
No kidding. Go there or don't go there. Like it or not. Help it or not. Teach them or not. Call it like it is or not. I did all that. I'm not wishing anything, I'm not even complaining. I'm calling it like it is. "Can you handle that"?
As for the truth. My statement stands. You either can handle the lake or not. The players that fly there frequently may be a bunch of ganging, hoing, alt monkey retards. But that is not an excuse for anyone who gets shot down there.
Redundant. No one's finding any excuses. The flying in there sucks. The attitude sucks. It's poop compared to what it was. You don't need to be either Drex or Dlamb to experience it. You don't need to be Mr Black or Einstein to understand it. It's plain as day.
The term "Gladiator Areana" is right on. You either live or die there. PERIOD. You want to fly in there and own the do so. You want to land those kills to further rub it their face. Do So.
No comment. I think the above speaks for itself.
But whining like little girls because the players there didn't fight like you wanted them to ...well thats just as lame as they are.
Calling a cat a cat is whining. Gotcha.
All this whining about furball lake is just a bunch of crap.
Saying it twice definitely makes it more credible.
I am gonna say it AGAIN....all you "aces" out there will be reduced to whimpering little girls 5 min at the lake unless you face the fact that flying there is not easy. You can fight one ace or 5 lemmings. The result will be the same....you die....unless you learn to survive in the lake.
I sure wish I'd been there and done that so I could speak from experience.
Surviving at the lake....well friends that is a matter of summoning all of your acquired ACM skill and applying in an environment of ruthless, back stabbing, low down, dirty, kill or be killed bad guys.
Ho hum. No different from MA furballs except the MA has higher stakes and less margin for error. Perk planes aren't free, flight times to reach the fight are longer, score and rank are enabled to pressure those who care.. all things considered the DA is the kiddie pool. No amount of hyperbole and grandiose metaphors changes that. Gladiators... What's next.. Heart of navy seals?
If one does not have the ability to hack it in a low down, back stabbing street fight, then I recommend you don't go out into the street.
Just another repeat of the above.
As the saying goes.."You can either run with the big dogs or sit on the porch with the puppies". Now, you can call them puppies "lemmings", monkeys", or what ever you want but until you can shoot them down and stay alive until you land you are just a puppie like the rest of them.
Oh yeah, I sure wish I had the testosterone, bad guy attitude, big dog cred or whatever it is that it takes to outfly the DA lake dweebs. Man, if only. :rolleyes: Someone call Agent and let him know ROX found his password.
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I will now take this time to let everyone know that they can calm down, Lazer is the best pilot in AH. Thank you.
Get off my ankle!
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There's been an influx of unnecessary ego lately, but this thread takes the cake.
I wonder if it's the summer months and the schools out bit. Lots of grumbling coming from vets who know better lately both here and 200.
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Curiosity and perspicaciousness (yes that's how bad it translates) are sure signs of egomaniacs. Look them up in any psychiatry handbooks and you'll find they're guaranteed symptoms of raging psychos on a short fuse. Yep, it's all about ego and whining.
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In another thread I posted I explained: I went in the DA to warm up and asked if anyone would like to one on one a P47.
Feel free to use any aircraft you wish. (no takers) At that time in the tower two tempests landed with 2 killz announced on
country channel....back slapping all around. They were in a Squad.
I had trouble understanding this. I guess I'm getting old. I upped a D40 50 fuel and promptly I had my match...against 8-10
of them. I got two of them....from the tower I read... XXXX landed with 3 killz member of &%$# q8729 squadron.
I left.
Man, that Hajo sounds like a real maniac!! :rolleyes:
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I just need to be clear here. Was I whining? I didn't think so. I said I had fun although I did strongly suggest getting rid of stats in the DA.
BTW, I think that HT should get rid of squads in the DA too.
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Well, not everyone has the same opinion about landing in the DA. Why land any kills in any areana? Why is the DA any different?
Because in every other arena there is a rank system. Even though there are stats in the DA there is no ranking system as there shouldn't be. Scoring in any manner in a dualing environment just shouldn't exist.
Personally, after I fly in low on the deck, out fly, out gun and dispense pure, outright ownage upon the masses of lemming retards, I in fact do go and land just so they know I owned them...
Other times I don't give a crap about landing and fly until I am out of fuel or bullets...then just auger. After I kill them they know the got owned.
So which is it? They only know you killed them after you land or they know anyway without you landing?
I suggest you guys go there and kick the crap out of them then dispense some smak on all channel. I think that might be better than all this DA whining threads.
Again I have to ask... was this a "whining thread"? I really didn't think it was.
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Get off my ankle!
My post had nothing to do with you. :huh
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I go in the DA sometimes and I might be in there a half hour and not fire a shot, I just see how many time's I can avoid the Ho or how many I can make Auger and sometimes I see how many I can get on my six before one gets me :rofl
I don't call it the DA I call it the sqeeeeeeker room!! And you can almost tell the ones from the DA when they come to MA, they fly in groups of 4 or 5 and all in a neat little ball looking for someone to jump, its like a bad cloud and it never fails at least one or two lawn dart before they even get to fire a shot. And I dared mention to one to spend time in the TA instead of the DA, and OMG I killed his gold fish! I got back the :confused: " I don't care if I suck I get kills in here". So I salute the DA it keeps them out the MA and anytime I run into the somewhat annoying one's in the MA I send them to the DA!!!!! :devil
Cajunn
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Yep. I'm pretty sure I ran into the Wobblins Goblins on one of the first times they flew in the MA. It was really really obvious by the way they flew. Not a dig at them, just saying it like it was. I'm pretty sure I have the film.
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MOOT!! What the hell is your problem!!!
Why is it necessary to quote every paragraph of my post. That is rediculous. I thought I made "my" point clear.
My post was not DIRECTED at YOU. It was a statement of what "I" think about the DA.
I have said it several times that the DA is full of retards. I did not say they were good players...but it doesnt really matter anyway.
If you guys want to change something, change the way the MA is now. It's way worse than the DA. Atleast in the DA you can't run away.
There is NOTHING wrong with furball lake. Let them fly like they want. I doesn't need to be changed. It's just a small area where instant action can be found. GD man we have 5 other areanas.
When I fly there I expect to get ganged and hoed. That is my choice. All I am saying is if you don't find it fun then freaken dont go to the lake.
The gladiater areana is an analgy. Mabey I should call it the dirtiest, cheapest, back stabbing, low down, discusting corner one can find. If you dont want to get mugged then dont go down the street and stand on that corner. Is that better?
My point about "gladiator" is that there are no rules. ANY DIRTY TRICK IN THE BOOK IS ALLOWED. Further, anyone who plays this game is a lying bast if they say they don't do every single dirty trick that has been done to them.
As for being some white knight who is going to somehow change the place...forget it. Like you, I tried. I tried everything. The only thing I can do is fly there with my own style and give them a good fight. Perhaps that might change some of their ways but I doubt it.
Everytime the "DA furball lake" thread comes up it's from someone who goes in there, gets ganged, hoed, and beat down. Like that doesnt happen in the MA in every gangen furball that happens there.
What more can I say about it man.
Im done with this thread.
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I wasn't making fun of you, just the arguments you made. They don't add up. I explained why.
There is NOTHING wrong with furball lake. [...] My point about "gladiator" is that there are no rules. ANY DIRTY TRICK IN THE BOOK IS ALLOWED. Further, anyone who plays this game is a lying bast if they say they don't do every single dirty trick that has been done to them.
Wrong on each count. The lake is just crap. It's not what it was, not what it could be, not what it should be. I'm not arguing that it ought to be perfect. I'm saying the status quo is below mediocre. Whether I "impose" on others that it should change thusly is another matter. I'm just pointing out what I think is flawed. It's flawed to pretend a game about air combat is satisfactory when it's more about air timidity. Any player with an ounce of consciousness will prefer the old lake, will prefer air combat where his actions actually matter, to one where he gets instantly gang piled by absolutely crappy players who counter-balance their utterly vacuous ACM, SA, gunnery, etc, with correspondingly overwhelming numbers. It's like paying 15$ for a gladiator match and being put up against.... A swarm of bees.
Whining about the lake: Who cares. If you're whining, you're no more relevant than the guys apologizing for the lake by relativizing.
Oh yeah and the line by line quote. It's supposed to show how absurd it is to repeat the same argument, paraphrased. Be offended if you must, but if I argued that way, I'd expect as much.
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The Rowdy Ones?
Rowdy ones, ta aerofighters.. take your pick, probably another one popped up as I type.
If I get em to 1v1 they don't take their beatings gracefully.
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Everytime the "DA furball lake" thread comes up it's from someone who goes in there, gets ganged, hoed, and beat down.
Please please show me anywhere that I came off that way in my OP you pompus a@@.
If anything I thought these three paragraphs epitomized my post:
Finally I went low to the middle of the lake and then everything started to click. There weren't many Bish on so it was target rich. By this time I had switched to a Spit V and was having a ball. Yeah, I got killed a lot but had 2-3 kills on most flights and had some great fun.
I guess I don't really know what the regular complaints are about furball lake. It is after all, a furball.
That said I had fun. I'll be back and this may severly decrease my time in the MA's but for dear g*d HT get rid of the stats.
How YOU see that as:
... comes up it's from someone who goes in there, gets ganged, hoed, and beat down.
... is totally beyond me.
You know, I used to have respect for you.
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I like Agents analogy. Spot on. :aok Heck, after reading them, I may go there just for something different...instant ganging...should be able to work on multiple con engagements there...then hopefully that translates over to the MA for the "furballers" who like to dog pile a lone con. :D
I also agree that it could be better...but it is not.
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Be offended if you must, but if I argued that way, I'd expect as much.
:rofl
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I wasn't making fun of you, just the arguments you made. They don't add up. I explained why. Wrong on each count. The lake is just crap. It's not what it was, not what it could be, not what it should be. I'm not arguing that it ought to be perfect. I'm saying the status quo is below mediocre. Whether I "impose" on others that it should change thusly is another matter. I'm just pointing out what I think is flawed. It's flawed to pretend a game about air combat is satisfactory when it's more about air timidity. Any player with an ounce of consciousness will prefer the old lake, will prefer air combat where his actions actually matter, to one where he gets instantly gang piled by absolutely crappy players who counter-balance their utterly vacuous ACM, SA, gunnery, etc, with correspondingly overwhelming numbers. It's like paying 15$ for a gladiator match and being put up against.... A swarm of bees.
Whining about the lake: Who cares. If you're whining, you're no more relevant than the guys apologizing for the lake by relativizing.
Oh yeah and the line by line quote. It's supposed to show how absurd it is to repeat the same argument, paraphrased. Be offended if you must, but if I argued that way, I'd expect as much.
Best post of the thread. Well put.
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I find the lake a fun place to fly with less than 20 people in the arena.....if its not crowded thats where I usually fly.
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I agree Strip,
when there's less than 20 people flying I love flying in the DA as its almost instant dog fighting, esp due to my timezone when the MAs maybe a bit quiet, but once the DA gets quite packed it deos become quite a HO, pick fest etc and it is a bit frustrating,
however so far, everything that happens in the DA also happens in the MA, its just because the dogfighting is concentrated in the fur ball lake it seems worse, Nothing that's happened in the DA has not happened in the MA.
I do prefere the MA still, but I think people are being a little arrogant if they feel they are better because they fly in the MA and not the DA, because DA pilots are skilless etc etc also I find people whine less in the DA than the MA, but again that maybe because the times I log on.
Thats just my experiences so far.
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I find people whine less in the DA than the MA,
Just a nit pick. Less whine per capita in the DA than in the MA? Are you sure?
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If perk rides were disabled in the DA I would fly there much more. But guys who can't afford the perk birds in the MA fly nothing but perk planes in the DA. Try a P-40 E or a 109-F model and you may find in much more fun and who knows you may just learn something while doing it. Any moron can spray the shy with 20MM like a garden hose.
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Gladiator school? Really? How about turning on friendly fire and THEN you will have gladiator school. The DA is nothing more than a majority of idiots that need the WTG pat on the back to stroke their ego.Nothing more, nothing less.They will do ANYthing to get that.Landing in the DA. If it was all about the instant fight they wouldnt take the time to land.
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If perk rides were disabled in the DA I would fly there much more. But guys who can't afford the perk birds in the MA fly nothing but perk planes in the DA. Try a P-40 E or a 109-F model and you may find in much more fun and who knows you may just learn something while doing it. Any moron can spray the shy with 20MM like a garden hose.
Gladiator school? Really? How about turning on friendly fire and THEN you will have gladiator school. The DA is nothing more than a majority of idiots that need the WTG
I 100% agree with both posts but HTC does not. Things like this have been mentioned OVER and OVER in previous posts since the H2H arenas were disabled. (http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_evil.gif)
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I think the DA should be renamed - Mos Eisley Spaceport. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany. " (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/smilies/fighting0040.gif)
There are some good sticks in there (from my perspective) but piling on is the norm. Even if you fly way off to the side and wait at 5k for someone to challenge you. It is kind of monotonous as far as the planes involved, way worse than the MA. N1ks, Spit16s, Hurri2Cs and Zekes with Tempests, 51Ds and perked Corsairs picking the scraps. That's about all you'll find.
Flying alone, it's good for a laugh - if you're masochistic. (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/smilies/violent074.gif) I fly a P-40 in there and I feel like the goat tied to the stake in Jurassic Park.
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"i don't like that playground...thats were the girls beat me on the monkey bars".
:lol
I agree with strip, if there is less than 20 people or so it seems better than when there is 40-50 in there.
It's funny(ie:makes you feel like you're IQ is going down) when:
- -You're fighting 2or 3v1 and then you get picked by a Tempest, Pony or F4U4 you never saw and he salutes you..
- -You pick a dweeb that picked you and he salutes you..
- -You go to a fight where you're a rook (for example) and you see 3 bish hording a knight..you decide to even the odds some and attack the bish. The solo knight in his infinite wisdom decides to attack you during the fight.
This furball lake madness also spills over into the 'private' dueling maps as well. Inevitably there will be some genius coming in to attempt a pick while you are in a private 1v1. These nitwits don't understand that the red cons aren't computer generated AI pilots.
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- -You go to a fight where you're a rook (for example) and you see 3 bish hording a knight..you decide to even the odds some and attack the bish. The solo knight in his infinite wisdom decides to attack you during the fight.
This one always amazed me.. Even when flying in a 3 country furball in MA. I always point out the fact I was going to let the tard live if he didn't try and get guns on me.
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Random idea: In the DA, you only cause damage if the guy you shoot at has acknowledged your challenge. e.g. via a check 6-like function.
Flaws: Makes many-vs.-many fights complex as english manners because you'd easily have a queue of challenges to vet. The simplest possible mechanism (1 item-long queue, 1 button press to accept challenge) would fail... Next simplest would be a ~10 item buffer, and two buttons. One accept, one reject. You press those and sort thru the list of challenges by order of reception. Either have the challenger info (matching what you see on your end, e.g. "Plane type, range, maybe player name") in the text buffer (like join requests), or have the icon and dar dot light up while the challenge is in limbo.
Best idea I've heard yet Moot :salute
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:lol
I agree with strip, if there is less than 20 people or so it seems better than when there is 40-50 in there.
- -You go to a fight where you're a rook (for example) and you see 3 bish hording a knight..you decide to even the odds some and attack the bish. The solo knight in his infinite wisdom decides to attack you during the fight.
LOL, Happens to me all the time in there.
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Last time I was in that cesspool there was another breed of idiot.The bomber flying to the base and hitting the hangers. Screaming for a gunner. :x
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I am pond scum of the DA and take full reposibility for its badness.
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Look people,
I thought I made my "opinion" clear but I think a lot of you have misunderstood my position.
I agree with everyone about the state of the DA furball lake. It is filled with a bunch of retards..no doubt about that.
I did not mean to offend anyone...especially baldeagle.
I seem to have a fun time in there but that is because I have flown there so much that most of the lemmings know me now. I seem to get a little slack from time to time. They KNOW it's me when the see a lower K4 flying around the base of their mountain. Often I do get fair fights. Other times they take great joy in killing me. It seems to be a contest among them to see who can kill Agent first. I will even get on all channel and tell them I am there and where I will be.
I just dont take anything in there personally.
I look at it as a challenge to fly around there and try to get kills without getting killed myself. As has been stated in this thread many times, the place is a cess pool of retards with no skill. But "I" don't care. I get to practice multi con engagment and do it rather quickly. No flight time to get in a fight.
Perhaps some of you are much better pilots than me and find the place boring.
I know its a gang fest...etc (insert all the bad words here)
My post were more about why I fly there or why one should fly there than about why it is a cess pool and what can be done about it.
I guess if the furball lake was made into its very own areana we would have nothing to squeak about. The DA would just be the place to go for dualing. The "furball areana" would be a place to go if your into (insert all the bad words here) and play.
My whole point hinges on people who expect some kind of honerable fight in the lake. Hell, we don't get that in any of the MA areana's.
I just don't understand why you guys are beaten me up over basically saying "don't go in there if you don't like the way things are. Just stay out and fly in the MA or find a private dual on one of the fields"
Why am I a bad guy for saying that?
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Oh yeah and the line by line quote. It's supposed to show how absurd it is to repeat the same argument, paraphrased. Be offended if you must, but if I argued that way, I'd expect as much.
Well moot you can stick that up your butt.
I am sorry that I am not as intelligent as you and don't argue my point to your satisfaction. The last time I checked it was ok to have an opinion in here.
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Your not bad 360.Your just drawn that way and your a muppet. I mean come on......come on.
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Well moot you can stick that up your butt.
I am sorry that I am not as intelligent as you and don't argue my point to your satisfaction. The last time I checked it was ok to have an opinion in here.
I've turned it sideways and shoved it .. Doesn't seem to make me change my mind: that saying the same thing over and over is no more convincing than saying it once. :)
No one's beating up anyone. Just disagreeing and arguing why. The last time I checked it was ok to have an opinion in here.
That's very very low.My whole point hinges on people who expect some kind of honerable fight in the lake. Hell, we don't get that in any of the MA areana's.
There's a precedent for it. Another way to look at it: If the DA was only as bad as the MA (mediocre plane diversity, mediocre attempts at fighting but attempts at least, mediocre player distribution/density), there probably wouldn't be half as much complaining. It would still be a pretty low status quo, but already nearly good enough.