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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: toonces3 on June 15, 2009, 05:49:46 PM
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I read that thread estes brought up from the dead and somebody had a quote in there from HiTech. The older guys know this better than I do, but before HTC got spell check on his browser or whatever, he had the absolute worst spelling I have ever seen. My 7 year old can spell better.
Here's the question: I assume that computer programming requires a great attention to detail; a misspelled word, command, variable, whatever will totally pork the code, right? So how does a guy who spells so bad manage to write complex, precise computer code? :huh
edit: this is a serious question, I've always wondered about this...
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Hehehe.
Writing coad has its own language and syntax. One can be fluent in the programming language of choice and horrible in human language. Also, I'm sure since the program provides the food on Hitech's table, he would take more time and care writing it than he would writing a reply on the BBS. He's got more important things to worry about than mis-spelling something in a thread reply.
Oh, and perhaps at this point it's just expected, so he keeps it up to please the masses. :D
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programing suites have spell check and debugging features =) Simple spelling errors are easy to spot.
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snippits...
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Another question;
Is the constant 'Skuzzy must have tripped over the server cable again' based in reality, or just made up? Because it would be 10x funnier if it actually happened.
Just something I've wondered about :D
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Or perhaps the slow rate of updates has always been because all of HTC has to proof the millions of lines HT writes.
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Oh yeah...I forgot one...
Employees
:aok
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Skuzzy has never tripped over the cable. You can't trip when crawling around.... why is he crawling around you ask? Well he is hunting the latest bug that has been spotted in the game.
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There are probably tons of misspelled variable names, but his IDE will keep him from misspelling them in different ways.
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I just always thought he used coad check :huh
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The spell checker on the forums is a bit suspect. I misspelled "that" and one of the correct options it gave me was "twat" I'm not kidding ya
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The spell checker on the forums is a bit suspect. I misspelled "that" and one of the correct options it gave me was "avacado" I'm not kidding ya
avacado is a replacement for a naughty word that starts with T and ends with T and has a W in it somewhere.
I'd say the spell checker is better than you think if it has that word in its vocabulary.
wrongway
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ImaDot is dead on. I can spell halfway decent, I'm not sure what AH is coaded in but I frequently screw up whatever Java or PHP I write. HiTech displays the complete opposite of this, which is why his coding is fantastic and spelling terrible.
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First as Note , the company is HiTech Creations, I am HiTech or HT, not HTC. HiTech was a nick name given to me right out of collage.
I read that thread estes brought up from the dead and somebody had a quote in there from HiTech. The older guys know this better than I do, but before HTC got spell check on his browser or whatever, he had the absolute worst spelling I have ever seen. My 7 year old can spell better.
Here's the question: I assume that computer programming requires a great attention to detail; a misspelled word, command, variable, whatever will totally pork the code, right? So how does a guy who spells so bad manage to write complex, precise computer code? :huh
edit: this is a serious question, I've always wondered about this...
The simple fact is there is something in my brain that will not work backwards. I can view a word ,close my eyes and not be able to reproduce that word in 5 secs. This was always a huge obstacle for me, I have no idea if teaching spelling is still the same as it used to be, but the weekly 20 word test required a 5 AM wake up call, followed by 3 hours of practicing the 20 words. This volume of studying would get me a passing D in spelling. Even to day a simple words like "their" I can not ( in process) garrenty ( not found in spell checker) garennty, garanty , guaranty (that was a real write for me on how much it took to write "guaranty" correctly) you if I spell correctly or not with out a spell checker. Many times I can look at a word, know it is spelled incorrectly and not be able to spell it correctly, or even get close enough for a spell checker.
Coding is not visual but is concepts. I can pull a concept out of my head that I thought of 5 years ago and point you to the file it is in. I can take a multistage algorithms and have it all in my head just waiting to be painted on the screen in seconds.
I have no idea how brains function , I just know that spelling will never be possible for me, and has nothing to do with attention to detail. The work of coding is paying attention to detail, the gift of coding is being able to juggle many concepts, structure them in your head in a way that as things grow, you can still have an index in your head to be able to retrieve the details at almost any time.
I have now been coding for 35 years, the first time I had access to a computer in 1974 and started coding (my first program was a simple game , teletype machine stored on paper punch tape) I knew I had found my work in life.
HiTech
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I dont know how to program at all but.
HT just verbalized exacly exactly what it is like for me. I have to ask my wife how to spell there isnt a word she can't spell in english.
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HiTech was a nick name given to me right out of collage.
HiTech
i remember that from a post about something about your screen name
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Next step: GRAMMAR!!! WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :x
NOTE: Not aimed toward HT. Just other users. :rock
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First as Note , the company is HiTech Creations, I am HiTech or HT, not HTC. HiTech was a nick name given to me right out of collage.
The simple fact is there is something in my brain that will not work backwards. I can view a word ,close my eyes and not be able to reproduce that word in 5 secs. This was always a huge obstacle for me, I have no idea if teaching spelling is still the same as it used to be, but the weekly 20 word test required a 5 AM wake up call, followed by 3 hours of practicing the 20 words. This volume of studying would get me a passing D in spelling. Even to day a simple words like "their" I can not ( in process) garrenty ( not found in spell checker) garennty, garanty , guaranty (that was a real write for me on how much it took to write "guaranty" correctly) you if I spell correctly or not with out a spell checker. Many times I can look at a word, know it is spelled incorrectly and not be able to spell it correctly, or even get close enough for a spell checker.
Coding is not visual but is concepts. I can pull a concept out of my head that I thought of 5 years ago and point you to the file it is in. I can take a multistage algorithms and have it all in my head just waiting to be painted on the screen in seconds.
I have no idea how brains function , I just know that spelling will never be possible for me, and has nothing to do with attention to detail. The work of coding is paying attention to detail, the gift of coding is being able to juggle many concepts, structure them in your head in a way that as things grow, you can still have an index in your head to be able to retrieve the details at almost any time.
I have now been coding for 35 years, the first time I had access to a computer in 1974 and started coding (my first program was a simple game , teletype machine stored on paper punch tape) I knew I had found my work in life.
HiTech
Where did you go to collage at? :D
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Brains are interesting and (no joke here) Hitech's lack of spelling ability is truly unique. This game is also truly unique. It is quite possible that the very wiring in that brain that makes spelling impossible makes this game possible. I'm glad your spelling sucks.
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Einstein couldnt tie his shoes.....
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I read that thread estes brought up from the dead and somebody had a quote in there from HiTech. The older guys know this better than I do, but before HTC got spell check on his browser or whatever, he had the absolute worst spelling I have ever seen. My 7 year old can spell better.
Here's the question: I assume that computer programming requires a great attention to detail; a misspelled word, command, variable, whatever will totally pork the code, right? So how does a guy who spells so bad manage to write complex, precise computer code? :huh
edit: this is a serious question, I've always wondered about this...
U NEED A JOB :D
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Nothing wrong with my brain and i still can't spell!
999000 <S>
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Where did you go to collage at? :D
I think HT was in a collage :D
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First as Note , the company is HiTech Creations, I am HiTech or HT, not HTC. HiTech was a nick name given to me right out of collage.
The simple fact is there is something in my brain that will not work backwards. I can view a word ,close my eyes and not be able to reproduce that word in 5 secs. This was always a huge obstacle for me, I have no idea if teaching spelling is still the same as it used to be, but the weekly 20 word test required a 5 AM wake up call, followed by 3 hours of practicing the 20 words. This volume of studying would get me a passing D in spelling. Even to day a simple words like "their" I can not ( in process) garrenty ( not found in spell checker) garennty, garanty , guaranty (that was a real write for me on how much it took to write "guaranty" correctly) you if I spell correctly or not with out a spell checker. Many times I can look at a word, know it is spelled incorrectly and not be able to spell it correctly, or even get close enough for a spell checker.
Coding is not visual but is concepts. I can pull a concept out of my head that I thought of 5 years ago and point you to the file it is in. I can take a multistage algorithms and have it all in my head just waiting to be painted on the screen in seconds.
I have no idea how brains function , I just know that spelling will never be possible for me, and has nothing to do with attention to detail. The work of coding is paying attention to detail, the gift of coding is being able to juggle many concepts, structure them in your head in a way that as things grow, you can still have an index in your head to be able to retrieve the details at almost any time.
I have now been coding for 35 years, the first time I had access to a computer in 1974 and started coding (my first program was a simple game , teletype machine stored on paper punch tape) I knew I had found my work in life.
HiTech
And you are Still the Biggest PUTZ I know :)
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dyslexia rules K.O. :aok
I often cannot spell words right but think if I get my point accross its all that counts
some people get really strungout by bad spelling...
I dont get it, cos I never could spell I dont care, as long as the message is fairly understandablr
job done
brains can be wired different. cant spell good at maths, good at spelling suck at maths..whatever, we all different (thank god)
glad HT wired the way he is <S>
Jimmy jummy jammy
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Even to day a simple words like "their" I can not ( in process) garrenty ( not found in spell checker) garennty, garanty , guaranty (that was a real write for me on how much it took to write "guaranty" correctly)
Shouldn't it be guarantee? :D
(don't blaim my grammar, I'm Dutch!)
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My Daughter has dyslexia (word based) which caused her severe strife thru University until some targeted assistance became available.
She is now a fully qualified reception teacher and considered an expert in her field consulted through out the region.
20 years ago she would have been cast out as a poor speller who should never be allowed to teach.
dyslexia (word or numeric) is not a measure of intelligence............ its just different circuitry.
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When I was in grade school I had number and word dyslexia. My mother taught me math by asking me how I saw numbers and writing down the equivalents I gave her. She then had me memorise my equivalents to her proper list. Eventualy it all went away or my brain adapted. I still say tickled pink --> pickled tink ......even though I can write it correctly.
I support servers and enterprise systems for a living. I have never been able to test easly for a MCSE or other certificates. I don't read then regurgitate very well. But give me the manuels or the Internet for a few minutes, I can install the hardware, install the OS, install the App, pull up the admin interface and support and trouble shoot everything. It's just another Internet tech search, manual, hardware and applications to my brain. Then, I can start speaking jargon and concepts about what I setup. Ive been able to teach myself anything since I was a teenager if I could place my hands on it and be left alone to work with it. The Internet is the biggest RTFM hardon in the history of the human race. It's the dyslexic male techi's job saver.
The adavantage of dyslexia is your brain will see vast seemingly unrelated parts of a problem as a single entity. This in turn makes solving the problem simple for the dyslexic but a hair pulling nightmare for anyone who wants the dyslexic to explaine in boring anal minutia every step from A to Z. The dyslexic sees it all as A and rarley can explain how the solution was reached. Most have the same story. I just sorta got a hold of it for a bit and suddenly I had the answer. I've known quite a few programers who were dyslexic as littel boys.
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I see a new program being loaded from this posting
Select automatic disco
From AH
where player = 'toonces3'
and ,bbs posting = 'gramatical attack'
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I to am lysdexic :lol
I'm a 47 year old geeza so back when I was at school, late 60's threw the 70's dyslexia wasn't really recognised in the school place. One was either classified as stupid or slow and I remember the ridicule Mr Webb (junior school teacher 6 to 11 year olds) gave me almost daily for about a year. Meant to go look him up after I left school :devil but never did. He's probably dead by now. Infact in my final year at school a teacher asked me if I suffered from "word blindness". An antiquated term for dyslexia. I had never heard either term so asnwered ...no.
Oh man...what a pisser it is but what a releaf to know what it is. Couldn't read properly untill I was about 15 / 16. Even now I read slow. My Mrs will have finished a 250 page book and I'll only be a little over 1/2 to 2/3 through. I often have to really focus on certain words. And by focus I do mean look. Kinda like zooming in to brake it down into sylabals. Strange thing with print the larger the text the easier it is for me to read. Thats always baffled me. The plus side to not being able to read at the same speed as most is, I don't read those bill board ads. There just pictures and colours on a board to me :aok
Really struggle with spelling and at one time I used to have to write to customers a lot and didn't want to look a total avacado. A primary reason for getting a computer with spell checker. I have less trouble spelling longer words but I often just use memory of how a word is spelt. If that doesn't work then I'll ryhm to get it. Yes...I've had a poem published :rofl I have a real rod up me arse about spelling when writing in a proffesional capacity.
Even today when roughing out a letter or speed writing I'll catch myself writing a "d" instead of a "b" or I'll start a word with the last letter ( :lol nearly wrote tetter) of the first sylobal.
Parents
Dyslexic kids are very adept at hidding their problem. Although schools are more switched on these days the earlier you can detect it the better for the child. Kids can become intraverted or :o over agressive. Once they understand theres a problem it'll help to balance them.
P.S
Deliberatly didn't spell check this post
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I assume that computer programming requires a great attention to detail; a misspelled word, command, variable, whatever will totally pork the code, right?
I pondered this more last night. I have a feeling that very detailed people do not code very well. The reason I think this is because the details only come at the very end of the process as you are actually typing. I have seen people who wanted to learn coding and many times they let the details get in the way of solving the problem. These people tend to remember all the details, but they see so many details they can not see the whole picture only each brush stroke.
The other possibility I can think of is that the process of design is a learned mechanism of being able to ignore details and switch levels of thinking as your mind goes up and down the tree.
HiTech
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So is the word 'coad' invented by you then, HT? :aok
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I pondered this more last night. I have a feeling that very detailed people do not code very well. The reason I think this is because the details only come at the very end of the process as you are actually typing. I have seen people who wanted to learn coding and many times they let the details get in the way of solving the problem. These people tend to remember all the details, but they see so many details they can not see the whole picture only each brush stroke.
The other possibility I can think of is that the process of design is a learned mechanism of being able to ignore details and switch levels of thinking as your mind goes up and down the tree.
HiTech
Now I must say..... "THAT was well said!"
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First as Note , the company is HiTech Creations, I am HiTech or HT, not HTC. HiTech was a nick name given to me right out of collage.
The simple fact is there is something in my brain that will not work backwards. I can view a word ,close my eyes and not be able to reproduce that word in 5 secs. This was always a huge obstacle for me, I have no idea if teaching spelling is still the same as it used to be, but the weekly 20 word test required a 5 AM wake up call, followed by 3 hours of practicing the 20 words. This volume of studying would get me a passing D in spelling. Even to day a simple words like "their" I can not ( in process) garrenty ( not found in spell checker) garennty, garanty , guaranty (that was a real write for me on how much it took to write "guaranty" correctly) you if I spell correctly or not with out a spell checker. Many times I can look at a word, know it is spelled incorrectly and not be able to spell it correctly, or even get close enough for a spell checker.
Coding is not visual but is concepts. I can pull a concept out of my head that I thought of 5 years ago and point you to the file it is in. I can take a multistage algorithms and have it all in my head just waiting to be painted on the screen in seconds.
I have no idea how brains function , I just know that spelling will never be possible for me, and has nothing to do with attention to detail. The work of coding is paying attention to detail, the gift of coding is being able to juggle many concepts, structure them in your head in a way that as things grow, you can still have an index in your head to be able to retrieve the details at almost any time.
I have now been coding for 35 years, the first time I had access to a computer in 1974 and started coding (my first program was a simple game , teletype machine stored on paper punch tape) I knew I had found my work in life.
HiTech
I have the same problem, I'm 43 and back when I was in school ADD was not a diagnosed defect in a kid. If It would have been I would of probably gotten the the special help that the Kids get today. I'm not ADHD I was ADD and I have a daughter with the same problem and they give her a little pill and she's goes from a student with a "D" average to a student with a "B" average. The problem is the brain works in a hyper mode that causes me or my daughter to focus on hundreds of different things while trying to concentrate on one. Just something like reading a book is work for me because my brain wonders and unable to soak anything in, so I can read a page and forget it as soon as I read it. So reading something like instructions is a real task and usually involves re reading it several time's to fully grasp what it's trying to explain, so you see where studying for test would be a problem.
I'm not implying that your ADD
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Einstein couldnt tie his shoes.....
Sometimes Hitech can't FIND his shoes. :lol
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Nothing wrong with my brain and i still can't spell!
999000 <S>
thats because your a numbers guy :rofl
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This ended up being an extremely interesting thread!
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The other possibility I can think of is that the process of design is a learned mechanism of being able to ignore details and switch levels of thinking as your mind goes up and down the tree.
It is not learned. Well not wholly. You have inherited this particular skill. Not to say it can’t be learned, but some will always have a greater cognitive ability toward language, others toward logic/coding as you say. This day and age it is very likely you would have qualified for special resources Hitech, or an IEP (Individual Education Plan). I am not a special education teacher, but I deal with students who have IEP’s every year. They are tested, and the results of the testing may result in modifications for the student due to some learning disorders they may have. Many of these disorders really come to light when they reach middle school (7th and 8th grade) because of the abstract thought required for Algebra. Other problems are spotted much earlier. Frankly I think requiring Algebra for middle school is absurd, but the all wise state of California has made it a requirement. Some are just not ready cognitively.
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I pondered this more last night. I have a feeling that very detailed people do not code very well. The reason I think this is because the details only come at the very end of the process as you are actually typing. I have seen people who wanted to learn coding and many times they let the details get in the way of solving the problem. These people tend to remember all the details, but they see so many details they can not see the whole picture only each brush stroke.
The other possibility I can think of is that the process of design is a learned mechanism of being able to ignore details and switch levels of thinking as your mind goes up and down the tree.
HiTech
Yeah, I can understand this. When I took programming years ago in school, I was a very average problem solver. It was like I had 50% of my focus on solving the problem and 50% of my focus on the actual syntax. So I'd finish a program that ran at minimal efficiency but at least it looked nice and pretty!
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I SUCK at math. Give me an X and a Y question or any piece of math that has unknown variables or any of those symbols instead of numbers and i FAIL bad. I simply can not understand formulas no matter how hard i try but ny nugget finds a way to get to the answer.
Still.. i studied economy and finance and worked with that until the day i retired. I find the answers and whatnot to a puzzle but dont ask me how i got to it, or try to understand my reasoning... its just there.
Funny place the brain is.
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I'm another math dummy. However, spelling, english, music, I do very well with...
except every Friday night:----> (http://blog.al.com/rivercityviews/medium_wildirishrose.jpg)
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The other possibility I can think of is that the process of design is a learned mechanism of being able to ignore details and switch levels of thinking as your mind goes up and down the tree.
I think being able to fluidly shift between levels of scope in your thinking is vital for software development. Software is just too complex to take in all at once. Plus, modern IDEs take care of alot of the details these days.
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LOL I cannot walk and swing my arms at the same time, thats why I usually put one hand in my pocket.
when I try to walk and swing my arms at the same time, I end up holding my breath and... well you get the picture :o
I also cannot play basket ball because I can't dribble and run at the same time while being awear of the surroundings lol
opposum
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ImaDot is dead on. I can spell halfway decent, I'm not sure what AH is coaded in but I frequently screw up whatever Java or PHP I write. HiTech displays the complete opposite of this, which is why his coding is fantastic and spelling terrible.
I am amazed how much you've been able to accomplish learning wise with that lazy eye of yours. We just need to work on that limp of yours, maybe shave off an inch or two off that peg leg.
ack-ack
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I read that thread estes brought up from the dead and somebody had a quote in there from HiTech. The older guys know this better than I do, but before HTC got spell check on his browser or whatever, he had the absolute worst spelling I have ever seen. My 7 year old can spell better.
Here's the question: I assume that computer programming requires a great attention to detail; a misspelled word, command, variable, whatever will totally pork the code, right? So how does a guy who spells so bad manage to write complex, precise computer code? :huh
edit: this is a serious question, I've always wondered about this...
He doesn't type "Code", he types "Coad", hence his avatar. Dale's also a great to talk to in person at the Con's, unless he's having a nicotine fix.
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I am amazed how much you've been able to accomplish learning wise with that lazy eye of yours. We just need to work on that limp of yours, maybe shave off an inch or two off that peg leg.
ack-ack
:rofl
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unless he's having a nicotine fix.
Been over 2 years since I smoked or had any nicotine.
HiTech
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wtg :salute
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how about a nice bowl of word salad.
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Been over 2 years since I smoked or had any nicotine.
HiTech
Karaya is still thinking of the Indy Con !!
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Been over 2 years since I smoked or had any nicotine.
HiTech
Woohoo, congrats. Been 21 days now for me.
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Woohoo, congrats. Been 21 days now for me.
10 minutes here!
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Been over 2 years since I smoked or had any nicotine.
HiTech
I know Dale, I was just recollecting the 2003 Con. :devil
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First as Note , the company is HiTech Creations, I am HiTech or HT, not HTC. HiTech was a nick name given to me right out of collage.
The simple fact is there is something in my brain that will not work backwards. I can view a word ,close my eyes and not be able to reproduce that word in 5 secs. This was always a huge obstacle for me, I have no idea if teaching spelling is still the same as it used to be, but the weekly 20 word test required a 5 AM wake up call, followed by 3 hours of practicing the 20 words. This volume of studying would get me a passing D in spelling. Even to day a simple words like "their" I can not ( in process) garrenty ( not found in spell checker) garennty, garanty , guaranty (that was a real write for me on how much it took to write "guaranty" correctly) you if I spell correctly or not with out a spell checker. Many times I can look at a word, know it is spelled incorrectly and not be able to spell it correctly, or even get close enough for a spell checker.
Coding is not visual but is concepts. I can pull a concept out of my head that I thought of 5 years ago and point you to the file it is in. I can take a multistage algorithms and have it all in my head just waiting to be painted on the screen in seconds.
I have no idea how brains function , I just know that spelling will never be possible for me, and has nothing to do with attention to detail. The work of coding is paying attention to detail, the gift of coding is being able to juggle many concepts, structure them in your head in a way that as things grow, you can still have an index in your head to be able to retrieve the details at almost any time.
I have now been coding for 35 years, the first time I had access to a computer in 1974 and started coding (my first program was a simple game , teletype machine stored on paper punch tape) I knew I had found my work in life.
HiTech
so true after my stroke its hard to remeber the simple words at all.its like being 3 again. Doctor said its a short that can even be caused by simple eletrial shock can do a reset in someone. not say ing this is your case just its possible. I always get same thing about my spelling i just pass it off because if someone making fun of my spelling, its usally someone with no life or someone who makes fun of others cause they hate their own life so much.
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.... i just pass it off because if someone making fun of my spelling, its usally someone with no life or someone who makes fun of others cause they hate their own life so much.
In HT's case we bring it up because here it is like an institution. Everyone misspells at one time or another. With HT we'd have it no other way. If he came in here spelling correctly that would be code talk that something was wrong.
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I always get same thing about my spelling i just pass it off because if someone making fun of my spelling
Making fun of my spelling never bothers me, it is what it is. What can still get under my skin is when some arrogant salamander believes that because you can not spell it has anything to do with lack of effort , education or intelligence. It is equivalent to me telling some one they should be able to estimate complex equations forms and relations in their head.
HiTech
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Making fun of my spelling never bothers me, it is what it is. What can still get under my skin is when some arrogant salamander believes that because you can not spell it has anything to do with lack of effort , education or intelligence. It is equivalent to me telling some one they should be able to estimate complex equations forms and relations in their head.
HiTech
Yeah what he said :huh
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Thanks alot for answering the question HT. Honestly, I really was curious about it.
<S>
Toonces
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Here's the thing about coding - most programming languages contain a relatively small number of key words you need to get correct. Typically, if you can spell:
if
for
while
end
plus a few more, you're good to go. Most editors will tell you if you've got it wrong.
Everything else, you get to make up - variable / function / method names are all set at the programmers discretion and in most cases aren't going to be real words anyway. With those spelling doesn't matter, consistency matters. I once worked on a project for the German post Office without knowing a word of German. Turns out, it didn't really make a difference.
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This thread reminds me of the spixteen's release...somebody forgot a zero in the wing spar strength. Lawn dart headquarters. :D