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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Getback on June 16, 2009, 09:21:13 AM
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Never been a fan of the Knights all though they have many players I respect. Always seemed disorganized and going this way and that. Often they seem disrespected. I mean the word Knits doesn't conjure up a warm and fuzzy. More like an Itchy and Scratchy. But some buds of mine have been flying with knits so I gave them a try. Now no way are they as efficient at taking bases as Bish. They certainly believe in blowing stuff up. I didn't return to just grab bases. I just wanted to relax and find the fight. Still though they did a great job of taking bases when they got into the mood. When I jumped from Rooks to Knits the sides were pretty even so it wasn't like I was piling on. One of the things I noted was how many knits, excuse me, knights, would just up and head over to a base nearly on the deck looking to mix it up. In the end those folks will be great players or more importantly worthy foes. One of the things that impressed me about the knits was that they would do their missions in-your-face style. I never saw an noe. Don't misunderstand me. I like Noe's too. The in-your-face missions just bring a little more excitement to the fight.
Knights also seemed a little more stubborn about the fight than I remember them being. Just because things looked bad it didn't mean they would quit. Must say I had a pretty good time.
Thanks Knights for the good time. :salute
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And we can pose for pictures really well! Glad you had a good time!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B9pZoGOryuM/SbPjUP6KFWI/AAAAAAAAABE/JJtQjqA4Mds/s200/Knight+five.jpg)
Go Knights :x
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Always good to see good things said.
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And we can pose for pictures really well!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B9pZoGOryuM/SbPjUP6KFWI/AAAAAAAAABE/JJtQjqA4Mds/s200/Knight+five.jpg)
Go Knights! :x
It's funny you should say that about the pictures. Certainly expected to hear about the knight horde that developed Sunday night. Was thinking that everyone should smile because we're going to get our pictures posted. :rofl
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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/lowerbrook/Knightcopy.jpg)
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Never been a fan of the Knights all though they have many players I respect. Always seemed disorganized and going this way and that. Often they seem disrespected. I mean the word Knits doesn't conjure up a warm and fuzzy. More like an Itchy and Scratchy. But some buds of mine have been flying with knits so I gave them a try. Now no way are they as efficient at taking bases as Bish. They certainly believe in blowing stuff up. I didn't return to just grab bases. I just wanted to relax and find the fight. Still though they did a great job of taking bases when they got into the mood. When I jumped from Rooks to Knits the sides were pretty even so it wasn't like I was piling on. One of the things I noted was how many knits, excuse me, knights, would just up and head over to a base nearly on the deck looking to mix it up. In the end those folks will be great players or more importantly worthy foes. One of the things that impressed me about the knits was that they would do their missions in-your-face style. I never saw an noe. Don't misunderstand me. I like Noe's too. The in-your-face missions just bring a little more excitement to the fight.
Knights also seemed a little more stubborn about the fight than I remember them being. Just because things looked bad it didn't mean they would quit. Must say I had a pretty good time.
Thanks Knights for the good time. :salute
i don't do it often, but i have switched sides. they're all the same. just different chess pieces.
glad ya had fun though!!
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i don't do it often, but i have switched sides. they're all the same. just different chess pieces.
For those of us who choose not to switch countries, there is a distinct personality that each country begins to develop. So I am not entirely sure I agree with you on this one Cap.
:salute
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As I always say... all teams are more alike than different. <S>
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A friend of mine on the Rook side complained that rooks are not good base taker, but good sticks.
I told him the reason why bish are good because of 3-4 guys on the bish side is good at organizing missions. Instead of 'get in a plane and get over there and get rid of ord', bish assign roles and we typically work well as a team.
The only guys I know of on the Knight side that does a pretty good job at organizing are the FB's.
IMO
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For those of us who choose not to switch countries, there is a distinct personality that each country begins to develop. So I am not entirely sure I agree with you on this one Cap.
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well, as you know, i mostly stay in mw arena. i've switched when i needed to to find a fight. when i fly at my normal alts...usually 5-7k, sometimes 10k if i suspect buffs in the area, regardless of what side i'm flying on, i almost always find cons over my head. when i get into furballs, it doesn't matter what side i'm flying on, as they're all the same.
i've been ho'd, picked, gang-banged, and well fought equally by all 3 sides. i've seen all 3 sides make mass raids for a base, and i've seen all 3 sides launch enmass to defend.
the only real difference i generally see, is the names killing me. :rofl
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the only real difference i generally see, is the names killing me. :rofl
Humble to the end Cap. You are a good guy Sir!
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Humble to the end Cap. You are a good guy Sir!
thank ya sir!!!
i try! :aok :salute
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A friend of mine on the Rook side complained that rooks are not good base taker, but good sticks.
I told him the reason why bish are good because of 3-4 guys on the bish side is good at organizing missions. Instead of 'get in a plane and get over there and get rid of ord', bish assign roles and we typically work well as a team.
The only guys I know of on the Knight side that does a pretty good job at organizing are the FB's.
IMO
you should think this one over again. there is more then the FBs. most of the nits run missions with in their squads and do really well
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you should think this one over again. there is more then the FBs. most of the nits run missions with in their squads and do really well
This is very true. The Pigs rarely setup a country wide mission. The POTW usually operates independent of other Knights players on a specific objective or set of objectives. We will coordinate at squad level at times with great folks like the C-Hawks & 68th( :salute).
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I think that's one of the things I like about the Knights, is it does seem laid back, maybe a little disorganized but not too serious. Just uppin' for a fight, whether it's attacking or defending. I'm sure it's repeated by folks of all cartoon countries, but I's not uncommon to have people plead with other knits NOT to take down the fighter hangers at a base we're attacking just because we don't want the good furballin' to be over (but then the bomber dweebs will feel left out if they can't drop ords on something, so it usually happens anyway :D ).
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you should think this one over again. there is more then the FBs. most of the nits run missions with in their squads and do really well
Yes this is true. Saw many many missions of 4 to 5 guys all over the place.
BTW, Noticed that WMlute gets them pointed in the right direction while not necessarily running a mission. Although he did put one up to get the ball rolling.
Saw many FBs. Somehow I thought they were rooks and use to work with the Nightmares back in the day.
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you should think this one over again. there is more then the FBs. most of the nits run missions with in their squads and do really well
I have not run into POTW mission as much as maybe FB's (not to say POTW don't). And I don't hear about POTW missions as much as FB's.
This is very true. The Pigs rarely setup a country wide mission. The POTW usually operates independent of other Knights players on a specific objective or set of objectives. We will coordinate at squad level at times with great folks like the C-Hawks & 68th( :salute).
Perhaps, but the frequency of such missions and organizational attributes are far in between as the Bishops. For example, SE's do their landgrab at the same time the BOP's, Jokers, 31st will do theirs, stretch rook, nights thin in defending (sometimes not at all) then pick up land.
However when concentrated, nits and rooks defend well.
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Yes this is true. Saw many many missions of 4 to 5 guys all over the place.
BTW, Noticed that WMlute gets them pointed in the right direction while not necessarily running a mission. Although he did put one up to get the ball rolling.
Never went into the mission planner to get it all started. I got the ball rolling by just announcing an 'impromptu' mission on country, told 'em where to up from, typed what I needed in the way of bombs/gv's, and asked a couple squads for help. It started with only 5-8 players heading to a field in hvy jabo birds. Our target was a field where we were out #'d that was close to our HQ.
After the first capture we split our forces up and were hitting two, sometimes three bases at once. The very capable 68th squad took it upon themselves to strike at a very difficult base that was a sector and a half ish out with no GV spawn ins. The wonderfull AK squad went to another field for a flanking maneuver, and a large group of knits attacked a third base that was closest to our fields and the "logical" field to be attacking.
The WM's supported the 3rd group, then went to help out the AK's. The 68th got their base (the toughest of the 3) and we then captured the last few bases in the "chain" while the AK's spear headed another strike at a new "chain" of fields.
It really was neat watching all the various Knight squads and players working so well together and taking base after base "in your face" style. Kudos to all that participated. When I logged for the night we had captured 10+ fields and had a blast doing it.
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I have not run into POTW mission as much as maybe FB's (not to say POTW don't). And I don't hear about POTW missions as much as FB's.
Not surprised to hear. We do not conduct the sort of high profile everybody all aboard type missions that the FB leadership do. Usually somewhere between 5-15 Pigs and that is about it. Capturing bases is about 20-30% of our effort as a squad. The rest of the time it is fighter sweeps, gv runs, defensive ops, or just generally making Pigs of ourselves in 1's and 2's all over the map.
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I must be playing with blinders on because I have never noticed any difference between any side I fly on.
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I must be playing with blinders on because I have never noticed any difference between any side I fly on.
Same here.... All the rhetoric is the same.... All the tactics are the same.... It is more than laughable (like on the verge of peeing pants)
when you have some guys that literally believe the other two countries are scumbags.. I've heard lots of Bish/Knit/Rook hardliners say
some pretty preposterous things about people who switch sides.. I really really wish I could remember the dumb arse's name that
I heard say something to the effect that people who switch sides in the game most likely cheat on their wives.girlfriends too..
And he was totally serious.. :rofl Oh! He was also the guy who was part of the "old breed" and demanded unconditional respect since
he'd been playing since the days of Air Warrior.. Dammit, I really wish I could remember his handle...
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I must be playing with blinders on because I have never noticed any difference between any side I fly on.
Could this be a byproduct of only searching for good aerial fights without a concern for what some call chess piece loyalty?
My noted differences-(Please noone take offense as this is just observation)-
Rooks-
Better Pilots all around
So So Gv'ers
You can cap them, but they will always come back higher than you(kind of like an auction do I hear 20k, I got 20k, do I hear 22k...etc.)
Launch a pretty even mix of NOE and in your face missions
Bishop-
Average pilots all around
Great GV'ers
Never fly in real high(10-15k tops)
Lean more towards NOE missions
Anybody else care to add to this?
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Getback, thanks for coming over and giving some feedback.
I agree with your analysis of us knitwits.
I also agree with this... As I always say... all teams are more alike than different. <S>
Thats not to say there are not some differences.
IMO, the true test of how different the countries are can be seen when they have a #'s advantage or disadvantage.
I'd love to share what I think from the short time I've spent on the 3 countries, but there are a few dedicated side hoppers, and I'd have to differ to them. :aok
Aw hell, why not......Bish dominate when they have #'s, and go to blue when they don't. :x :rofl :devil
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Could this be a byproduct of only searching for good aerial fights without a concern for what some call chess piece loyalty?
My noted differences-(Please noone take offense as this is just observation)-
Rooks-
Better Pilots all around
So So Gv'ers
You can cap them, but they will always come back higher than you(kind of like an auction do I hear 20k, I got 20k, do I hear 22k...etc.)
Launch a pretty even mix of NOE and in your face missions
Bishop-
Average pilots all around
Great GV'ers
Never fly in real high(10-15k tops)
Lean more towards NOE missions
Anybody else care to add to this?
I think Ano's point is that each country has it's die hard, this is war, fight for my chess piece guys, but the majority of players are the same regardless of chess piece.
Someone in every country will always be screaming orders to everyone in big caps, or hollering spy!
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Aw hell, why not......Bish dominate when they have #'s, and go to blue when they don't. :x :rofl :devil
Now that is funny! :lol
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as far as I`m concerened I fight as knights ( my love is to stay with my country)
the rest are baby eating monsters and we will win through good sense decency and an understanding we are right therefore better
bring it bish and rooks we don't care we are knights standing up for decency, moral virtue and a better tomorrow....
Hail to the knights
:D :rock Jimmy
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as far as I`m concerened I fight as knights ( my love is to stay with my country)
the rest are baby eating monsters and we will win through good sense decency and an understanding we are right therefore better
bring it bish and rooks we don't care we are knights standing up for decency, moral virtue and a better tomorrow....
Hail to the knights
:D :rock Jimmy
:aok That's what I love about these forums. hahahaaaaa!
A better tomorrow! I love it. :rock
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The Bish horde says, "we need lovin too"
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/gang33.jpg)
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The Bish horde says, "we need lovin too"
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/gang33.jpg)
:lol :rofl
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WMlute, oops must have added my own thoughts in there. You were talking about a mission and I wanted to join but had to run an errand. So I never saw it develop. However, when I got back knights had captured 186 which was your target base I believe. For me it was just good ol' fun. I got to do what I enjoy most, lugging a couple of eggs around, blowing stuff up, and engaging the enemy afterwards. Jaboing is just good stuff. It's like being in a fire fight but then some one throws a grenade in the house; you dive out the window straight into a knife fight (read that in Soldier of Fortune). Pretty thrilling!
I don't mind if folks blow stuff up even though sometimes I would like to get into a skirmish. If I wanted a country to error it would be on the side of too many eggs instead of too few.
Right now I don't have any country loyalty. Just the way it is. I'm going to see how things work out.
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I have really enjoyed flying with the nits, rooks and bish. It does seem to me there are definite playing styles. It was not until I was asked to join the Widowmakers that I learned more of the strategy of the game. I used to think this was all about landgrab, up as many people as possible to annihilate all possible means of resistance. In the Widowmakers, I learned the the thrill of the four person base snatch. I think the best ones are when we go out and steal a base deep in the heart of enemy territory.
Each country has their unique style. When one flies with said country one tends to pick up that style. As long as I am having fun, I do not care. It is a great thing
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i don't do it often, but i have switched sides. they're all the same. just different chess pieces.
No, Waystin is right. They do all have their own personalities that developed back in the days of Air Warrior. This is roughly the story of how the war between the Bish, Rooks and Knights began from a prior post of mine and is the suff of legend among us old timers:
Once upon a time in a sim far far away there lived three countrys seprated by water. They were know as the AZ, BZ and CZ and they lived happily in their own little lands.
Then, one day, an AZ snuck across the bridge below the mountainous pyramids into CZ land and stole a sheep. Amazed at the human-like qualities of the CZ sheep, more AZ snuck over in the dead of night until CZ land was nearly depleted of its sheep.
The CZ, not knowing it was the AZ rustling their sheep, and getting grouchy over their lack of intamacy, immediately blamed the BZ who were, after all, known as "furballers" but the jig was soon over when it was discovered that the AZ were hiding a large heard of sheep deep in AZ land near the Spit factory. Both the CZ, wanting the return of their sheep, and the BZ, upset over being the ones blamed for the rustling, attacked the AZ, and thus began a war and the habit of two countries ganging up on one.
Then, the evil empire, EA Sports, took over the world of AZ, BZ and CZ. Soon realizing their mistake with the growing hostilities between the countries and the incessent server loads caused by the "<Insert player name here> has just pawned you" macros initiated by each player after each and every kill, they n00ked the lands of the AZ, BZ and CZ.
Lost on the interweb, the forlorn AZ, BZ and CZ searched for a new home with their 56K modems. Even though they were hostile to one another, the word quickly spread from country to country that there was a new land called AH where clouds actually filled the sky.
One by one, then in ever growing numbers, the AZ, BZ and CZ moved into AH Land and settled, but the hostilities over the sheep rustling were never forgotten. Because of this, the AZ settled mostly as Bish, the BZ settled mostly as Rooks, and the CZ settled primarily as Knits, although a few took the opportunity to switch alliances.
Once settled in, they couldn't help but continue thier fight and that's how the war started.
So, you can see that even now, the Bish are still good at sneaking around capturing things, the Rooks are still "furballers" and the Knights are still confused.
:salute
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Never been a fan of the Knights all though they have many players I respect. Always seemed disorganized and going this way and that. Often they seem disrespected. I mean the word Knits doesn't conjure up a warm and fuzzy. More like an Itchy and Scratchy. But some buds of mine have been flying with knits so I gave them a try. Now no way are they as efficient at taking bases as Bish. They certainly believe in blowing stuff up. I didn't return to just grab bases. I just wanted to relax and find the fight. Still though they did a great job of taking bases when they got into the mood. When I jumped from Rooks to Knits the sides were pretty even so it wasn't like I was piling on. One of the things I noted was how many knits, excuse me, knights, would just up and head over to a base nearly on the deck looking to mix it up. In the end those folks will be great players or more importantly worthy foes. One of the things that impressed me about the knits was that they would do their missions in-your-face style. I never saw an noe. Don't misunderstand me. I like Noe's too. The in-your-face missions just bring a little more excitement to the fight.
Knights also seemed a little more stubborn about the fight than I remember them being. Just because things looked bad it didn't mean they would quit. Must say I had a pretty good time.
Thanks Knights for the good time. :salute
Started out as a nit. Went to rooks per request and didn't look back. The CH clan is a good group to hookup with when you are over there. Some good sticks. Esp if you want to learn how to fly a KI84...tag with LippyCH. :)
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motion for SAPP to create a new country...
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Could this be a byproduct of only searching for good aerial fights without a concern for what some call chess piece loyalty?
I've played the game as all 3 chess pieces and I would never be able to tell you which one I was flying for just based on the styles that you generalize. I just haven't noticed any differences. Why would there be any differences? Mega squads flying in such a particular manner that it is noticeable to the point of generalizing the entire chess piece to fly that way? Why are Rooks more skilled pilots than Bishops? Rooks fly higher than other countries? I haven't noticed any of this. Placebo effect perhaps?
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motion for SAPP to create a new country...
Hmmm. We'll need a good name.
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I've played the game as all 3 chess pieces and I would never be able to tell you which one I was flying for just based on the styles that you generalize. I just haven't noticed any differences. Why would there be any differences? Mega squads flying in such a particular manner that it is noticeable to the point of generalizing the entire chess piece to fly that way? Why are Rooks more skilled pilots than Bishops? Rooks fly higher than other countries? I haven't noticed any of this. Placebo effect perhaps?
Hello Grizz,
First let me say that there is no antagonism in this post, rather I find it an interesting discussion. With that said, don't you think someone who has flown specifically in one country for nearly 2 years has a better grasp on that country's behaviorisms? Through that, don't you think that same person may have a better overall picture of that country's enemies and their general behaviors. I do not think the mega squad thing has anything to do with my generalizations, and the descriptions I provided above are definitely generalizations. It is a fact that the Rooks have a higher K/D ratio as a country (waiting for Lusche's charts). Does this equate to them having better pilots? In the sense that they kill more than they are killed, yes they are better pilots. As far as Rooks altitude addiction, this is based on purely subjective opinion. Some may agree with me, some may not. I do a lot more in this game than just furball, with a lot of my time spent defending against incoming attacks. In my opinion the Rooks always come in with more altitude. Can I provide you hard facts? No sir. It would not be my place to venture why you notice or not notice these same things, but if I took a guess it would be that you spend most of your time in a furball situation that is country independent. If your attention is focused on this only(acrossed all 3 countries), then it would be very hard for you to form an opinion about the differences between them. To you they are the same to begin with.
Have a great day,
Way
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Could this be a byproduct of only searching for good aerial fights without a concern for what some call chess piece loyalty?
My noted differences-(Please noone take offense as this is just observation)-
Rooks-
Better Pilots all around
So So Gv'ers
You can cap them, but they will always come back higher than you(kind of like an auction do I hear 20k, I got 20k, do I hear 22k...etc.)
Launch a pretty even mix of NOE and in your face missions
Bishop-
Average pilots all around
Great GV'ers
Never fly in real high(10-15k tops)
Lean more towards NOE missions
Anybody else care to add to this?
When hit with a tater, they all fall to the ground at 32 ft./second (squared)
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When hit with a tater, they all fall to the ground at 32 ft./second (squared)
I can always count on my buddy Messa to put something relevant into the conversation.
Magic Doob activate! :x
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If you really want to be a part of the team spirit you would wear one of these...... :D
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/knights.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/Rooks.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/Bishop.jpg)
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If you really want to be a part of the team spirit you would wear one of these...... :D
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/knights.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/Rooks.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/Bishop.jpg)
I :uhoh have to admit the Rook & Bishop look a little creepy...
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Von messa just won the statement of the year award
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If you really want to be a part of the team spirit you would wear one of these...... :D
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/knights.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/Rooks.jpg)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/Bishop.jpg)
funny thing you chose a child as a knight.....because the rook and bishop you chose both look like child molesters....... :noid :noid :noid
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Hello Grizz,
First let me say that there is no antagonism in this post, rather I find it an interesting discussion. With that said, don't you think someone who has flown specifically in one country for nearly 2 years has a better grasp on that country's behaviorisms? Through that, don't you think that same person may have a better overall picture of that country's enemies and their general behaviors.
I just don't buy it to be honest. If Rooks really have a higher K/D, I'd guess it would be marginally better. Not high enough to say Rooks are more skilled than the other two sides...
I could be wrong, but how many players are there total for each side... 2000 or so? I'd say the majority of those players gravitated to their respected chess piece purely randomly. Maybe there are a few standout players from each side that fly nightly that stick out with a certain style that seem to make you generalize the entire chess piece.
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Maybe there are a few standout players from each side that fly nightly that stick out with a certain style that seem to make you generalize the entire chess piece.
Buy my opinion or not, I do agree to some of your assessment about folks that stand out. I do run into regulars(will not name names as this creates the opposite of a good conversation) that develop a certain way of going about their MA business. I say again that it truly is a generalization. I guess what would be really interesting to me is how many folks fly for a specific country only.
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Those are definate child molesters. Goooooo gave me the heebyjeebys. :(