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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on April 28, 2001, 08:45:00 PM
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But its so nice vs. the freak Chog! Cool how that all works out, huh?
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yeah, cv launches chogs, field launches n1ks... and we can as well throw the rest of the AC into the toilet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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The F4U-1C has 25173 kills and has been killed 18059 times.
The N1K2 has 11872 kills and has been killed 11545 times.
Yeah, that N1K2 sure is up there with the F4U-1C isn't it? I mean, its got a whole 47% of the kills that the F4U-1C does. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Yeesh.
Other samples:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 10714 kills and has been killed 11363 times.
The Ostwind has 10369 kills and has been killed 4797 times.
The La-7 has 6757 kills and has been killed 5454 times.
The Ship Gunner has 6504 kills and has been killed 13 times.
The P-51D has 5894 kills and has been killed 6464 times.
The Bf 109G-10 has 5058 kills and has been killed 4375 times.
The F4U-1D has 5063 kills and has been killed 5669 times.
The PT Boat has 4772 kills and has been killed 7870 times.
The Panzer IV H has 4572 kills and has been killed 3641 times.
The Fw 190D-9 has 4505 kills and has been killed 3030 times.
The SeaFire has 4195 kills and has been killed 5441 times.
It seems to me that there are three distinct groups at the top. The contents of the groups might vary depending on the map, but the level of the groups seems consistant. The groups in Tour 15 seem to be:
The clear top group (not really a group given it only has one unit i it) consists of:
F4U-1C
The 2nd group contains 3 units, clearly below the top group and yet clearly above the lower of the top three groupings:
N1K2-J
Spitfire F.MkIXc
Ostwind
The bottom of the three groups contains the rest of the commonly used units:
La7
Ship Gunner
P-51D
Bf109G-10
F4U-1D
PT Boat
Panzer IV H
Fw190D-9
Seafire
All other units in AH have less than 4000 kills. Only the Italians lack a unit in one of these top groups and the Russians and Japanese only have one each (admittedly the Japanese have the 2nd place unit).
Adding the G.55 and Re.2005 might give an Italian fighter a shot at entering the third group.
Adding a Ki84 might significantly reduce the N1K2's frequency.
Adding a Yak3 might give the Russians another top performer.
Changing the vehicle armor might reduce the number of F4U-1Cs.
For humors sake:
The M-3 has 416 kills and has been killed 1401 times.
The C.202 has 255 kills and has been killed 502 times.
The C-47A has 184 kills and has been killed 3303 times.
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Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
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-Karnak
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One reason the UFO doesn't have more kills might be some players won't fly it because they believe it has a shit FM
I happen to be one of those .
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I would not even toejam in a NIK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Agree airspro, exactly like Spit (check roll rate) or Hog (check everything).
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Originally posted by airspro:
One reason the UFO doesn't have more kills might be some players won't fly it because they believe it has a toejam FM
I happen to be one of those .
Uhm? toejam FM? how come?
It accelerates like a 109G10 and climbs with it, being 1000lbs heavierr. It dives with a Fw190A8, being 2000 lighter. Tunrs in a dime,and stands more damage than a P38.
It can hang on prop for 10 seconds without the slighest problem, becaue Torque is NOT a problem (why should it be? it is only a plane with a 2000hp engine and a light airframe, nothing else)
And it can do amazing 180º turns,outzooming a bouncing plane after it with no problem. BUt if DOEST NOT have Weird E-retention. Its just on spot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 04-29-2001).]
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Ayeee spro your 100% right.
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I think more people do not fly the George because, it is a not a US plane, obviously US planes and equipment are more popular why else would HTC model way more US stuff than enything else?,(BTW I am not one of the people who love US stuff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))also u cant use it well against ground targets, the C hog kills everyting in the game with ease,the George does not. The C hog also hits at almost 3 times the range as the George. IMO no matter what the flight sim no matter who models it and no matter what century we are in people will always squeak and moan over the George. A late war fighter that turns almost as good as a Zero and preforms almost as well as a Late war us carrier fighter who's arament hits like a ton of bricks is bound to fly in the face of convention.Historicaly the George is one of the most outstanding fighters of al time, emboding all that the Japanese believed a fighter should be a superlative turner namely, and benefiting from the lessons learned from their mistakes in the Zero and other fighters. Better protection a more robust airframe and a heaver aramement. I am not arguing that the FM is porked or not but Just how would expect such a plane to preform?
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-29-2001).]
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my argument is not that teh n1k is too good. I believe it was and is a superlative fighter. Its just that you prideless bastards are willing to fly the damned thing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Some of us enjoy flying and killing for teh challenge. Just no challenge when in a n1k (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I agree with brady and Zigrat, I bounced a N1k in my D-9 today and guess what? I could not out distance it until it was to late, BTW the Type 99's hitting out to 1k whats up with that? What fun is it to fly a plane that is so easy to fly and has such a large amount of ammo turns on a dime accelerates better then it should, climbs like a banshee, lasts forever on a half tank of gas.
I am sorry but the 2 planes that need to be perked are the N1k and Chog, but if you perk those unperk the 152, then you will see an influx into the Spit 9 and La-7 guarantee it.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-29-2001).]
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I can't hit toejam over 400 or 500k in the George, maby that's me i dont know.It should go forever on a half tank it had great range, but a P51 or a Zero will go farther on 50% fuel than a George will.BTW how do know it accelerates better than it should?, my experence is that a lot of planes out accelerate it, In fact just about everything is faster than it is. BTW I do fly it from time time but it represents only about 1/8 of my kills for this tour maby 1/7th.The reasion, I like to try different mounts and it is easy to fly, therfore it get's old after a bit.
SRY spell check is down gent's
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-29-2001).]
[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-29-2001).]
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The entire 109 series is overmodelled and fly like a modern fighter with thrust vectoring. And don't even get me started on the 202 & 205...
whine whine whine, cry cry cry, etc.
SOB
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SOB has a point, the BS that is the c202 FM has far too long gone undisclosed. It must stop!!! And those guns- unbelivable murderers.
Dont even get me started on the AH unbalancing C47.
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Perhaps this impresion is due I fly A8, but it seems anything the Nikki do, the CHog can do and almost better, except plain turning. E retention seems similar in both planes. I've seem a lot of times Hogs braking in the air using a lot of rudder, turn in half a dime and then, 300 mph again is two seconds, and this over'n over. I've never seen a Nikki doing inversions like the Hog, only doing incredible horizontal turns. But HOG can go N and half a second later he is going S.
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The fact remains that the N1K2's flap system has never been modeled right in AH.
Unlike the US planes, where the combat flaps are engaged before executing the maneuver, the system on the N1K2-J requires the maneuver to start before they deploy.
The result comes with mediocre high speed manuvering until the flaps deploy; the basic wing shape, and dimensions is nearly identical to the A6M5, with quite a bit more weight and the horizontal stabilizer and elevators are the same.
Also unlike any other plane with manual flaps, the deployment is of course, uncontrolable due to the remote location of the system. Much like the 109's slats. They cannot be raised in slow flight to decrease drag and increase acceleration. It does have a few functions that prevents full-time deployment under a certain speed; angle of attack via the mercury tube is taken into account, so that if the pilot leveled out, the flaps would retract.
At present, the varying degrees of deflection of flaps as the N1K2 changes angle of attack and speed don't seem to be taken into account -- while the inital deflection doesn't create much drag, the others, like all other planes, creates a considerable amount of drag.
It should be experiencing a tremendous energy bleed off after maintaining and high G turn as the flaps deploy... acceleration should be even worse afterwards if the pilot does not maintain the envelope on which the flaps retract.
Anyways, the automatic system is rather complex and there isn't a terrible amount of information on how the whole system works, probably explaining why it was never included. However, make no mistake, it isn't modeled historically in that respect.
The best possible solution to it at present would to just make them manual to simulate deployment delay, drag, and other factors in the simplest and easiest way possible.
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HTC needs to remove the autoflap Flight modeling and just use manual flaps until they create an autoflaps function that actually uses the flaps.
as is n1k2 turns on dime without player operating the flaps and when flaps are lowered it turns on the head of a pin.
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Hmmm I didnt hear even this vital part of the Niki model was screwed up. All in all it certainly seems this is the poorest done AC in AH. The results of these mistakes are obvious... HTC plese give this one a month or two in the shop and fix it.
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It accelerates like a 109G10 and climbs with it, being 1000lbs heavierr.
Something stinks... Oh, that would be the roadkill!
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Originally posted by juzz:
Something stinks... Oh, that would be the roadkill!
Well it's partially true. The N1K2 will acclerate with it under 200 mph, and if they both start out at the N1K2's top speed it would easily stay for about 3000-4000 feet without much trouble with it's E retention and power loading...
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Niki is a nice power off glider, will keep 200mph on the deck for a long time with the engine out/destroyed. Very nice glider no doubt.
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I too wish to see the flaps in the N1K become truly automatic. I think this would cure the problem of 180-degree supertight turns with minimal E-bleed.
If the N1K were to be perked, it would have to be a cheap perk, maybe 2-3 points tops, if that. Most perk planes will probably be BnZ types; the N1K is anything but, and hence isn't survivable as most perk planes are. Then again, I personally see no need to perk this plane at all.
J_A_B
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Well Now i think maby this may help to provide some answers....BTW if u can't read it i will tyype what it says for u all...
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-30-2001).]
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Brady check your e-mail.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]
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Somebody should check the Fw 190 stall model too. Stall behavior should be ferocious, but in AH it is childishly easy to fly. Reminds me more of Falcon 4 than a WWII plane. My conscience just won't let me fly it anymore. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 04-30-2001).]
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Yes Funked also you failed to mention the Typh at high speed has an awesome roll rate which in RL it did not enjoy and in AH the 190 has less more than 18 degrees sec cut away from roll performance according to NACA tests that should also be corrected in the AH FM. Also they should model engine performance under Gs especially the Spitfire which under negative Gs it had a nasty tendency of starving the carburetor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
Besser tot als rot
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Glasses,
I'm sure they will model the fuel starvation under negative Gs when they model a Spitfire, Hurricane or A6M that suffered from it. But until the Spitfire MkI, Spitfire MkII, Hurricane MkI or A6M2 make their appearance in AH, you shouldn't be asking for it.
You are right about the Tiffie's roll rate though.
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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it is my understanding that the Spitfire V had the negative G engine cut problem too
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Originally posted by R4M:
it is my understanding that the Spitfire V had the negative G engine cut problem too
It took less than ten minutes replace the old carb bowls with the adapted ones with the washer that prevented the bowl from draining and/or prevent the lack of pressure that kept carb draft from drawing the fuel out as normal.
Only difference with the Spit V would be it could only run for 20-40 seconds before the bowl drained.
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Originally posted by Glasses:
Yes Funked also you failed to mention the Typh at high speed has an awesome roll rate which in RL it did not enjoy and in AH the 190 has less more than 18 degrees sec cut away from roll performance according to NACA tests that should also be corrected in the AH FM. Also they should model engine performance under Gs especially the Spitfire which under negative Gs it had a nasty tendency of starving the carburetor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
wrong about the "nasty tendency of starving the carburetor" very early spits had this problem however it was rectified and was not a problem as early as 1940...
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Funked, the violent drop of the wing in any 190 with almost no prior warning (any speed) is actually present. The easy way to recover is also present. Both facts are well known by you, so I cant understand your problem with 190 series.
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Ahem, Ammo in BoB Spit had one weakness against the 109 series which was vital to LW jagdflieger men . Neg G diving that's how most LW airmen in 109s survived or evaded attacks by Spits,which they couldn't follow.
I stand corrected on later versions, but the MKv in AH I am positive had the engine stall under Neg Gs.
Oh and the FM BUG of the 190 ,the Typh and the niki should be corrected asap.
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
Besser tot als rot
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Originally posted by Glasses:
Ahem, Ammo in BoB Spit had one weakness against the 109 series which was vital to LW jagdflieger men . Neg G diving that's how most LW airmen in 109s survived or evaded attacks by Spits,which they couldn't follow.
I stand corrected on later versions, but the MKv in AH I am positive had the engine stall under Neg Gs.
Now that I will agree with, thx for correcting your statement, as to the FM changes I dont know.
ammo
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Glasses,
Some Spit Vs had the fix and some didn't. We simply have one with the fix. For once, HTC didn't model the worst possible Spitfire that they could have for a given version. We have both the worst Spitfire IX and the worst Seafire possible.
BTW,
The Spitfire rolls slightly too slowly at low speed and too fast at high speed in AH.
Funny how this microscope is only being applied to Japanese and British aircraft. What happens if we turn it on American, German and Russian aircraft?
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
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Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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Funny how this microscope is only being applied to Japanese and British aircraft. What happens if we turn it on American, German and Russian aircraft?
I would gladly like to see the reworking of the FM of the FW's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) At any rate you won't hear squeaking about the russian mounts only 3 in game and 1 "La-7" being a latewar version.
US planes well I think they have been discussed rather extensively, 51, F4U, 38, just to name a couple. The 109's have been discussed especially the G-10, the D-9 has been discussed but the argument subsided after its newness wore off.
I have no problem with the flight models it is just the frequency that you see them in the air. I would say 80-85% of the aircraft I see now are the top 3 in the air. Spit9, George, F4U-1c. I don't care if it is historically accurate or not now, but something has to be done, to instill others to fly more then just these 3 planes.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-01-2001).]
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Really I assume some people might think that I want these FM "BUGS" to be changed due to the fact that it might give us LW fliers some advantage,that might be true but also I want the most realistic online sim possible with each of the aircraft weaknesses and strengths. As of right now some aircraft have unrealistic advantages and vice versa this should be promptly changed IMO(without mentioning any aircraft in specific).
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
Besser tot als rot
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I would like the FM as acurate as possible too, I requested the Tiffie's roll rate and N1K2's e-retention be fixed as the twobiggest bugs that I want fixed in v1.07. I just think its kind of funny that I've been here for quite awhile and I've never seen the microscope applied to anything other than Japanese and British aircraft.
Yes, it seems that the Fw190 should roll slightly faster, but is that the only problem with its FM?
I happen to prefer British and Japanese aircraft, so I might be a bit defensive on this.
AG Sachsenberg,
We have 4 Russian aircraft, La-5FN, La7, Yak9U and Yak9T. v1.07 is bringing another Russian aircraft as well, that would make it 5 to Britain's 6. And if only having 4 mounts in the game makes the Russians resistant (they have the 4th most popular fighter) why doesn't the fact that the Japanese only have 2 aircraft make them resistant to the microscope?
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
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Yes fix the Typhoon, then unperk the Tempest. After all, it was a contemporary of the Dora and G10, and historicaly deserves to be unperked.
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Originally posted by Nashwan:
Yes fix the Typhoon, then unperk the Tempest. After all, it was a contemporary of the Dora and G10, and historicaly deserves to be unperked.
Agreed. Then add the Me262, unperked because it was a contemporary of the Tempest and historically deserves to be unperked.
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Well, the 262 is a bit later than the Tempest, and due to the situation of the Luftwaffe, and it's terrible reliability, didn't see as much service.
The big difference though is that the 262 is a jet, and would have an enormous speed advantage over the other fighters at all altitudes. In contrast, the Tempest is a prop plane like the Dora and G10, and has a small speed advatage at low level, and is slower at medium and high alts. The Tempest would fit much better unperked than the 262.
The contemporary of the 262 would be the Meteor III.
As it stands, only 2 prop planes from 1944 seem to be considered for perking, the Tempest and Spit XIV, the 2 RAF fighters from 1944. Can you imagine the wine if the only 2 prop planes perked were the Dora and G10?
I think the Typhoon role rate is deliberately too high as a play balance, because the RAF doesn't have it's proper 1944 planes.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
I just think its kind of funny that I've been here for quite awhile and I've never seen the microscope applied to anything other than Japanese and British aircraft.
Bah you know better...all the other planes have been under the microscope so long that everyone's bored at looking at them.
Remember when the A5 and P-47 had to be fixed? There's alot of stuff brought up but yet to be acted on...
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because the RAF doesn't have it's proper 1944 planes
Yet once again, for the tea & crumpet set.
The proper 1944 fighter for the RAF is not the Tempest or the Spit XIV.
The "proper" 1944 fighter for the RAF is a slightly different varient of the Spit IX than we have now.
Campaign for it on that basis, but don't insinuate that the Tempest and Spit XIV were the 1944 mainline or most produced fighters. It just wasn't so.
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Verm, it's true that the Tempest and Spit XIV were not the most produced RAF fighters in 1944.
However, they were both present in significant numbers, certainly compared to the other perk planes we have so far, the Ar234, Ta152, F4U-1C
At this stage, even a proper Spit IX LF would be a big improvement for the RAF, particulary if it was abe to use higher octane fuel, as became common on late Spits.
I say "proper" 1944 planes because AH has a late war planeset. For the Germans, the 19A8 would be far more representitive of a 1944 plane than the Dora, but the Dora is in. The 109G6 would be a more common 1944 plane, but the G10/K4 is in. The RAF is the only country lacking their best mainstream prop fighters from 1944.(unperked)
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I just love this BS:
420 MPH tiffie with 5k alt sees n1k at d6.0 coming to him. N1k is 1k lower.
HO Merge, no shots fired/
Tiffie flies STRAIGHT and dives to the deck (was running to field to kill m3). Speed is 450 or so MPH and holds it (wep on).
N1k TURNS when d1.2 away from tiffie (both planes going in opposite direction).
N1k is d2.3 and starts CLOSING on the 450 mph tiffie.
Withing a few seconds, n1k is d1.0 from tiffie.
Now, can someone please tell me WTF is up with this crap?
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Try this ,
turn the engine off when you make a flat turn in the Nik then back on when turn done , see how much e has been lost .
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Nashwan,
I fear now is not the time to talk about the RAF having a disadvangeous position as they have the 2nd most popular fighter (Spitfire F.MkIX) and the fighter that seems to me gaining the most from the perking of the F4U-1C (Typhoon MkIb).
The way that I see it is that from a pure usage stand point the Britsh aircraft are doing great. Where they are not doing great is for players who fly to survive. Most fights in AH happen down near the deck where the Spitfire F.MkIX can only do 320 on WEP, thats 40 to 60 mph slower than topline the American, German and Russian aircraft. Hell, even the N1K2 is 15mph faster on the deck. The Typhoon offers great speed on the deck, but I fear that much of its compat success in AH is owed to the fact that it rolls more than twice as fast as it should. When that bug is fixed I think the Typhoon will become the disappointment that it was in reality.
Nashwan,
The solution is to join me in campaigning for the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to be added to AH. It is a challenging and interesting aircraft, and it is 25mph faster than the Spitfire F.MkIX on the deck.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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"...N1k TURNS when d1.2 away from tiffie (both planes going in opposite direction).
N1k is d2.3 and starts CLOSING on the 450 mph tiffie..."
For all the times you have see this happen, it simply amazing that you've still been unable to get this on film.
Oh well, one of these days eh Tac? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Edit: And before you use the "forgot to record" excuse, this should be pretty easy to duplicate on your own and film.
Still Waiting,
bowser
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rofl, I aint psychic to film every n1k I fly into. But you can ask DRILL (I think he was the n1k).
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I guess you didn't read my entire post. I figured you would have difficulty for one reason or another producing film, so I suggested you and a buddy duplicate the scenario you described and put it on film.
Any particular reason why you can't do that?
It's not just for my viewing enjoyment. If the N1K can do what you say, I'm sure HTC would love to see the film. Proof that the N1K is indeed a UFO freak. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
bowser
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hehe please dont kill me for this.
Bowser I've checked your stats, and you have flown mostly nikis and Chogs for the 2 last tours. I havent checked your stats before that, but it would seem that you fight the UFO with the UFO...so you can't feel the UFO-ness of the UFO...
Er...do I make sense? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Why dont you fly another plane (read: a NON-dweeb plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) and you see the n1k2 from the receiving end of a more challenging ride?.
THEN you will notice why do we say it is an UFO freak (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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You're right. I do fly the N1k, and for that reason I know it cannot do what Tac suggests it can do.
Your welcome to post a film showing the N1k doing what Tac suggested it could do also Ram. The offer is open to anybody. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
bowser
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Ram, I flew the Niki almost exclusively for 3 or 4 tours so I know how it flies. I then moved on to the F6F and then the P51B, and have encountered Nikis from the other side.
I've flown it extensively, I fight against it in the main arena and I haven't seen it do anything out of the ordinary.
The Niki is NOT a "UFO freak".
The Niki IS a plane you should respect in a dogfight and not assume that it doesn't have enough speed to follow you in a dive or have enough E to climb with you. If you do, you will probably die, and then you can come to the BB and squeak about how it's got an unlimited supply of energy, can dive at mach 2, turn with a zeke and kill with it's guns that are as effective as Hispanos.
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB:
The Niki is NOT a "UFO freak".
I don't know about it bieng a freak, and it is easily identified by it's icon, so it isn't a UFO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) so I agree with you there. I flew it for the first time in combat after a short flight to check it out over a rear area base yesterday.
I was able to 0G dive from 7000 ft. to about 50 ft, then pull verticle right back to 7000 ft. and still be at 200 ias when I got there. I was also able to to do sustained loops at 3.5G from 200 ias as long as I wanted. Then just for fun, I inverted and starting at the bottom and 300 ias, I did 3 outside loops in a row. I don't know if this is right, but it is cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It flys like a cesna with guns and a killer Vmax. (I also tried the hold it on the runway till the gear groans then pulling verticle, I had the airspeed down below 70 ias when leveling out and the aircraft did not depart.)
Muttz