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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: TheAce on June 18, 2009, 04:46:39 PM
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As I fly the C47 more and more I've come to realize the severely limited carrying capabilities of the C47. We need an aircraft that can carry large amounts of supplies and troops while still defending itself. That's why I propose the Ju 290 "Seeadler", it is nearly twice the size of the C47 and with its armament it can definately hold its own (depending on the gunner).
Crew: 9
Length: 93 ft 11 in (28.64 m)
Wingspan: 137 ft 9 in (42.00 m)
Height: 22 ft 5 in (6.83 m)
Wing area: 2,191 ft² (203 m²)
Empty weight: 72,611 lb (33,005 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 99,141 lb (44,970 kg)
Powerplant: 4× BMW 801G/H 14-cylinder radial engines, 1,700 hp (1,268 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 273 mph (440 km/h)
Range: 3,843 mi (6,150 km)
Service ceiling: 19,680 ft (6,000 m)
Armament
Guns: **2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons in dorsal turrets
1 × 20 mm MG 151/20 in tail
2 × MG 151/20s at waist
1 × MG 151/20 in gondola
2 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in gondola
Avionics
FuG 200 Hohentwiel radar
The following link will give you some pretty good pictures of it, it may be a model buts its pretty accurate, but feel free to google it yourself.
http://bancadademodelismo.no.sapo.pt/Ju290.htm (http://bancadademodelismo.no.sapo.pt/Ju290.htm)
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Just give me a Ju 52 and I'm happy.
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Doesn't matter how much any cargo aircraft can carry, the most it will carry is what is required to do things now.
More troops carried = more troops required to take a base.
wrongway
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The specs TheAce posted are not for a cargo aircraft.
Small hint: FuG 200 Hohentwiel ;)
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Me323 :noid
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Not necessarily AWwrgwy, think about how many times you have to up in a vehicle with supps to resupp base, its not worth it but someone needs to do it. I don't really care about the troops as much although it would be a nice perk, the armament is another added perk, at least with this aircraft you can defend yourself. With the C47 and gv's if a fighter or tank see's you it's basically a death sentence. This way when you go in by air you can defend yourself. Lusche, thanks for the tip but I've looked at multiple websites and they all say basically the same thing, and I don't recall there was another type besides recon, so could you kindly supply the specs. since I can't seem to find them.
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Not necessarily AWwrgwy, think about how many times you have to up in a vehicle with supps to resupp base, its not worth it but someone needs to do it. I don't really care about the troops as much although it would be a nice perk, the armament is another added perk, at least with this aircraft you can defend yourself. With the C47 and gv's if a fighter or tank see's you it's basically a death sentence. This way when you go in by air you can defend yourself. Lusche, thanks for the tip but I've looked at multiple websites and they all say basically the same thing, and I don't recall there was another type besides recon, so could you kindly supply the specs. since I can't seem to find them.
You have a plane that carries more field supplies then it will take more field supplies to bring stuff back up on a base. Same as troops. Doesn't matter how much the plane can carry.
wrongway
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AWwrgwy I still don't think you understand, the reason bigger cargo planes are developed is because some things require bigger jobs, try resupping a major international airport with a Cessna, its gonna take forever. That's why bigger cargo planes are built, just because they can carry more cargo doesn't mean more supps will be required to resupp base, the only way that will happen is if the feild gets bigger. Hitech will see and understand that if they have a sensible mind.
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AWwrgwy I still don't think you understand, the reason bigger cargo planes are developed is because some things require bigger jobs, try resupping a major international airport with a Cessna, its gonna take forever. That's why bigger cargo planes are built, just because they can carry more cargo doesn't mean more supps will be required to resupp base, the only way that will happen is if the feild gets bigger. Hitech will see and understand that if they have a sensible mind.
Question:
If I remember correctly a C-47 loaded with troops could carry 29 combat loaded and ready troops at once. So why do we only get 10 in AH? Just curious since I don't remember the numbers from any other sim where capture was involved in the gameplay.
To those that think this is the beginning of some "attempt" to gain more "realism" it is not. I just wanted to ask the question.
Thanks!
Reply:
If We set it for 29 troops we would also change capture to require 29 troops, do you realy wish to have to drop that many?
HiTech
By this precedent we can extrapolate that if one field supply takes 15 minutes off resupply time and our current method of resupply delivers one and only one field supply at a time by introducing a vehicle that carries more than one field supply at a time, the resultant number of supplies required to remove 15 minutes from the regeneration timer would be proportionally greater as well.
If the developers wanted the C-47 or an M-3 to carry more than one field supply they would make it so. there is no reason not to.
Introduce any cargo carrier you want. It will more than likely still only be able to drop one field supply, or ten troops, no matter how big it is.
Do I get it now?
wrongway
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Wow, well you did good in proving me wrong, and you proved the stupidity of the HiTech staff, they clearly don't understand the concept of getting more supplies to a specific location faster. They clearly don't understand anything....explains a lot for the some of the crappy gameplay, HA. Everytime I see an answer from one of these people its always defensive and we're not trying to mimic it but simulate it," both those things go hand in hand in my opinion."
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Lol he calls HiTech and his staff stupid and expects them to add a plane for him. :rofl
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Yea...well, it's worth a shot, besides I have been looking at this thread for a while and almost nothing in here gets added, so whats the point anyway? Btw, just felt like getting it out there.
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They made this forum so people like you don't flood the main boards.
There are many things that have been added over the years that where asked for. Biggest and lasted example is the Buffalo.
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Wow, well you did good in proving me wrong, and you proved the stupidity of the HiTech staff, they clearly don't understand the concept of getting more supplies to a specific location faster. They clearly don't understand anything....explains a lot for the some of the crappy gameplay, HA. Everytime I see an answer from one of these people its always defensive and we're not trying to mimic it but simulate it," both those things go hand in hand in my opinion."
'We're all going on a summer Holiday!' :rolleyes:
Hitech has himself commented that it is not a simulation, it is a game (Correct me if this quote is wrong one of you older vets). By this he means that it is about having fun, and it will always stay that way. He tries to make things as realistic as possible, but if it intrudes on the fun aspect, he'll leave it out. This applies to supplies. Yes it may be more realistic to have more supplies in a bigger cargo plane (ME323 Gigant for example) but that takes the fun out of supply runs.
Plus I dont care where your from, if a B17 is an easy target atm, then a larger cargo plane, even if it is armed and 'dangerous', is nothing more than a bigger target. :aok
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:aok
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Wow, well you did good in proving me wrong, and you proved the stupidity of the HiTech staff, they clearly don't understand the concept of getting more supplies to a specific location faster. They clearly don't understand anything....explains a lot for the some of the crappy gameplay, HA. Everytime I see an answer from one of these people its always defensive and we're not trying to mimic it but simulate it," both those things go hand in hand in my opinion."
not bad for a 7th post !!! :lol
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Don't pay any attention to the last sentence in my last post, I don't know why I added it.
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I did not know that this plane existed. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. With that said I think it would be a good add for AH. Here is a pic:
(http://www.kg200.org/images/ju290up.jpg)
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Wrong Way, I may have a solution, It could be set so you can carry multiple airfield cargos but no matter how many you drop only one will count. I would fly it so I could re supply multiple bases in one flight. If HT has a problem with efficency the I don't know how we got some of the planes we have. And if you have a problem with my solution then let me offer this as a rebutle: it will just cut down on the time it takes to re supply the bases, and MABY the ease (mostly due to the guns, but I guess you could call taking SLIGHTLY less time easier then I guess I can't do anything about that.
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I would fly the crap out of it.
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a german cargo plane is needed in this game JU-52 or JU-290 or whatever that was im happy with either one
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Why does everyone want the Ju52 when there are clearly supperior aircraft out there? I still say the Ju290.
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Plus Ju52 isn't as sleek and sexy :rock , and if i'm correct, I beleive the 290 was faster than both the C47 and Ju52.
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See, there ya go. If I have the right plane in mind the the Ju52 had corrugated sides, three engines and was ugly as hell.
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Why does everyone want the Ju52 when there are clearly supperior aircraft out there? I still say the Ju290.
Because not everyone wants the 'bestest awrpwane evar'. Some like the historical feeling if flying a Ju52 with their squaddies in 109s and 190s.
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I get ya, but it would get old awfully fast; getting shot down so much. At least for me it would.
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Why does everyone want the Ju52 when there are clearly supperior aircraft out there? I still say the Ju290.
Because the Ju 52/3m was the German equivalent of the DC-3/C47. It was simply a workhorse aircraft. It was a popular airliner before and during the war, and there's at least one still flying that does passenger flights (more for the fact that you're flying in a 1930's airliner than for practicality I think... but still). There's no other aircraft in German service during WWII that was as important or had as wide a legacy as the Tante Ju. It was a transport, a bomber, it dropped Fallschirmjaegern... the Ju 52 was the aircraft that carried men into the first airborne invasion in history (the Invasion of Crete). It's just an aircraft with an extreme historical background. And it's cool as hell (I mean, three engines!)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-L19017%2C_Gebirgsj%C3%A4ger_vor_dem_Start_nach_Kreta.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-670-7410-10%2C_Fallschirmj%C3%A4gerabsprung_aus_Junkers_Ju_52.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_141-0864%2C_Kreta%2C_Landung_von_Fallschirmj%C3%A4gern.jpg)
(whoever uploaded these Bundesarchiv photos to wikipedia rocks :rock )
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I see where you're coming from, I'd just like to see something new, an aircraft that wasn't popular but was in service and operational in squadron strength. The 290 is also my favorite plane too, adding to the reason I want to see it made for AH, cause in my opinion (without the nose gun), it was as sleek and sexy as any fighter could be.
If I have the right plane in mind the the Ju52 had corrugated sides, three engines and was ugly as hell.
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Bump :D
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_200
looks like a C-47 with four engines 2 turrents and full metal but you can still hive it have 10 troops
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a german cargo plane is needed in this game JU-52 or JU-290 or whatever that was im happy with either one
Well why not the FW-200 Condor then?
General characteristics
Crew: 5
Capacity: 30 fully-armed troops in transport configuration
Length: 23.5 m (77 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 32.8 m (107 ft 7 in)
Height: 6.3 m (20 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 118 m² (1,270 ft²)
Empty weight: 12,950 kg (28,550 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 22,700 kg (50,045 lb)
Powerplant: 4× BMW/Bramo 323R radial engines, 895 kW (1,200 hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 360 km/h at 4,800 m (224 mph at 15,748 ft)
Range: 3,556 km combat; 4,440 km ferry (2,210 mi ; 2,759 mi)
Service ceiling: 5,800 m (19,029 ft)
Armament
2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons
6 × 7.92 mm (0.312 in) MG 15 machine guns
1 × 13 mm (0.51 in) MG 131 machine gun
Up to 3,000 kg (6,614 lb) of bombs
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Well why not the FW-200 Condor then?
The Fw 200 Condor would be fine with me too, but isn't it a recon and anti-ship bomber?
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The Fw200 had both Cargo and Bomber configurations.
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was there any transport that could out run a hurricane? :furious. Like maby one of the transport version of one of the faster bombers.
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was there any transport that could out run a hurricane? :furious. Like maby one of the transport version of one of the faster bombers.
I'd rather have a ton of guns....