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Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Vermillion on February 23, 2000, 07:18:00 PM
I was over on the Warbirds BBS, and picked up conversation on the N1K2-J Shinden-kai.

According to Kiwi, there is a new book out in Japan on the N1K2, by Kyokuchi Sentouki, that has inflight testing data from Kawanishi itself.  From what he says its a newly published book and runs about 1700 Yen ($17 if the exchange rates I got from web were correct, pretty cheap).

Shinden-kai
by Kyokuchi Sentouki
ISBN:  4-05-602064-7

Unfortunately it is in Japanese Only. But I figured that you could probably get one of the Japanese players (isn't Mitsu Japanese?) too translate the pertinent sections of the book.

Here is a link to a Japanese bookstore chain in the US that supposedly can get the book. (considering getting it myself if I can get someone to translate it for me.)
 http://www.kinokuniya.com/newyork/ (http://www.kinokuniya.com/newyork/)  

They have an online ordering page too, but again... the langauge barrier.
 http://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/guest/cgi-bin/wshosc.wb (http://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/guest/cgi-bin/wshosc.wb)  

If you get a copy, would appreciate a photocopy of the data sheets  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: wells on February 23, 2000, 07:55:00 PM
yeah yeah...me too!
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Ripsnort on February 24, 2000, 11:47:00 AM
Was that the little push-pull job that 'mimicked' the large Dornier model?

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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Rip1~Warbirds~)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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"Opfer mussen gebracht werden"
— Otto Lilienthal

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Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: SC-GManMP on February 24, 2000, 02:52:00 PM
The Shinden? didn't they used to have that one in Aces of the Pacific??? that was one EVIL lil plane!!!

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Garrett "SC-GManMP" Pella
Skeleton Crew, "E" Flight
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Kieren on February 24, 2000, 03:49:00 PM
It's a typo. The Shinden was the Japanese canard fighter in development, the Shiden was the N1K.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

S'ok, I knew what you meant.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Rendar on February 25, 2000, 11:42:00 PM
The N1K2 was the Shiden, a late war conventional prop lane.  The ShiNden was a pusher-propeller plane that could achieve speeds in excess of 440 MPH.  It was tough, manuverable, and it's only real opponent would have been the F8F Bearcat.

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Lt. J.G. VF-100 "The Haze"
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: juzz on February 26, 2000, 05:45:00 AM
Shiden = Violet lightning
Shinden = Magnificent lightning

I think.
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Kieren on February 26, 2000, 07:18:00 AM
Rendar-

Not to disrespect your opinion, but where did you get that information on the Shinden? My material suggests it was only a prototype, had only 3 flights, and only flew for a total of 45 minutes?

Sources of course vary, so I'm wondering if I have something wrong here?
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Minotaur on February 26, 2000, 08:18:00 AM
"Shiden" or "Shiden Kai"?


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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
Trainer
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Minotaur on February 26, 2000, 10:56:00 PM
 (http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~nabezo/AH/J7W1.jpg)  

Is this the Shinden?

Thanks Nabe!    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
Trainer

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Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: juzz on February 26, 2000, 11:24:00 PM
Yes, that is the Kyushu J7W1 Shinden.

As for "George"...

N1K1-J Shiden (Violet Lightning)
N1K2-J Shiden Kai (Violet Lightning Modified)
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Kieren on February 26, 2000, 11:27:00 PM
Keeeeeee-rect!

That is the Shinden! 2,130 hp, 4x30mm cannons, 465 mph top speed (estimated). Buff killer for sure!
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Rendar on February 27, 2000, 10:34:00 PM
Kieren -
I didn't say it was operational.  It was a late-war plane.:}

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Lt. J.G. VF-100 "The Haze"
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: juzz on February 28, 2000, 12:00:00 AM
Then where does the "tough and manuverable" comment come from? Did an American plane come by and dogfight it during the 45 minutes of test flying?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Vermillion on February 28, 2000, 07:15:00 AM
It was a typo.  I was speaking of the N1K2-J "George" that we already have in the game.

I just can't type or even spell in English, give me a break when it comes to Japanese please  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: Pyro, New Data Source for the N1K2 Shinden??
Post by: Rendar on February 28, 2000, 06:20:00 PM
I read an article on it I think in an issue of Air & Space...Not sure, but I remember it saying that.

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Lt. J.G. VF-100 "The Haze"