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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oakranger on June 22, 2009, 02:35:03 PM
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What do you think is the hardest, or toughest, plane to shoot down?
Here is my selection.
1. Il-2
2. P-38
3. P-47
4. Yak
5. 262.
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1.Il2
2.FM2/F4F
3.Yak9-U/T
4.P-47D-11
5.F6F-5
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262
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Il2
FM2/F4F
mossie
P47
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Ponies and yaks, hardest for me to hitm
IL2 toughest to kill
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not mine :D
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What do you think is the hardest, or toughest, plane to shoot down?
Here is my selection.
1. Il-2
2. P-38
3. P-47
4. Yak
5. 262.
Those are the easiest for me. :D
1. KI-84
2. P-51D - most run in those
3. A6m's
4. 109g14 - g6
5. 262.
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262 is practically untouchable.
Of those that can be hit on an every day basis, I'll nominate Lancasters. Those buggers can shrug off lotsa damage from my unconcentrated hits :)
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there aren't any 'hardest' aircraft to kill, just tough pilots to kill.
ack-ack
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262 is practically untouchable.
Only if it's flown right. Get it low and slow in front of my D-40 and it'll go boom like the last 2 did.
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I hate getting 400 off a 190 and it twitching its wings like its epileptic.
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FM2
I love getting in this bird and sticking low to the ground in a dogfight. I usually get people to over shoot & auger.
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Anything Im flying at the time.....
Kam
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The aircraft which usually have me thinking WTF after i nail them, and they fly away blisfully unaware that anything has hit them are: -
B-26 - seems incredibly tough, too tough in my opinion
F6F
F4F/FM2
P-38 - usually it just loses pieces, smokes different colours from various places, turns into a single engined aircraft.
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Anything Levithan is flying.
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1. 190s with "land-trout" syndrome.
2. 262
3. F4F/FM2
4. Yak 9U/T
5. Il2
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What do you think is the hardest, or toughest, plane to shoot down?
Here is my selection.
1. Il-2
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The trick with IL2, other than not giving it even a hint of a shot obviously, is to fly something just as slow as it so that there's no danger of an overshoot.
I landed 3 IL2 kills in a Stuka a couple of weeks back. Took a lot of BB hits to bring them down right enough and I suspect a lot of people got assists on those kills. Was quite amusing though.
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I hate getting 400 off a 190 and it twitching its wings like its epileptic.
lol me too belial
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wow no one said Me 163
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B17
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wow no one said Me 163
Not often you have to face one. But yes, they are tricky little buggers to hit.
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*snip*
P-38 - usually it just loses pieces, smokes different colours from various places, turns into a single engined aircraft with a red cockpit.
Fixed.
I hate how easy it is to get a PW in one of those. :furious
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Depends what plane I'm in. I can find planes easier to kill, or harder, say, if I was in a P38 or a 109K, it all depends. Why isnt the 234 on anyones list :)
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234's I just cant catch them! :furious
F6f's and p-47's are tuff as nails too. (http://www.derstuhl.net/vf31/Smileys/vf31_set/fighting0016.gif)
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190's I once used all my rounds im a 51D trying to kill one of those things at D400.
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234's I just cant catch them! :furious
F6f's and p-47's are tuff as nails too. (http://www.derstuhl.net/vf31/Smileys/vf31_set/fighting0016.gif)
I usually slow down for people so I can shoot them. :)
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I dont think its so much the plane that makes the difference.... its whos flying it. :huh
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1. Il2
2. Typh, Temp
3. P-38
Il2 is a tank with wings, that's all it is.
Typh and Temp I can put a whole lot of rounds into and it'll still be flying. Took have my ammo in my Spit 16 once and then proceeded to fly away back home!
P-38 isn't really too tough, but still tough to being down.
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FW190-A5 because its a small target and very slippery in the hands of a good pilot. Yak 9T/U ranks a close second.
:salute
Dan
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Not often you have to face one. But yes, they are tricky little buggers to hit.
That makes it even harder :D
you can't kill what's not there
also add D3A and B5N to my list :lol
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afk C47 :cry
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1. 262
2. none
3. none
4. none
5. none
Nothing can escape my .50 cals. or my 30mm tater in any situation. :)
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1. 262
2. 190-all they do is roll and stick stur, pain in the arse
3. Typhoon's and ponies always run from me.
4. 163
And thats about it...
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I dont see why folks feel the IL-2 is so tough. I dont think they are any tougher then , say, the Jug, or a Hellcat.
Even worse they have a huge oil pump target area. And if you hit that then the IL-2 has to immediatly turn for base for a chance to land. For some odd reason the single 0.50 of a M3 causes me more problems then the quad 0.50s of an M16. The tail area is another spot for an easy disable. More-over, and this may surprise you, its not the best plane to accept an HO with because its not as responsive as a fighter. Most of all if your holding ords or to much gas.
People do forget the IL-2 is a bomber, or at best an attack plane. Its not a fighter. Its far easier to kill in the game then it was in real life.
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- Zeke
- hobag stick stirring run90's :furious
- 262/163
- il2's absorb incredible amounts of ammo
- b-17's take patience
All maybe in that order
I fly f6, fm2, spit8 /9's, ki's, and ponies mostly..the rest are just for fun
Easiest planes to shoot down are:
- spits
- p-51's
- lancs
- niks
- b24's
- whatever's in the furball
Near that order when flown or gunned well enough
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:salute
If you're going with tough as built strong.....It's the Avro Lancaster. Though it doesn't have many guns for defense, it can take all sorts of damage, no offense to the Boeing B-17. You can empty your small ammo (.303s, 7.62, 12.7 and 13mm) into this aircraft and they bounce off :furious . Hell, you need to dump ALOT of 20 mike-mikes into it to do anything sufficent. Well placed 30mm on the wings should bring it down, but it takes a few. 262 is tough if pilot is good enough. A well placed .303 into the engine and that bird is going down.......just have to be able to catch it then hit it. The B-17 and B24s, well, if you're lucky enough to get through the horde of machine guns firing at you, ya might hurt one or even knock it out of the virtual skies. You can be the best pilot in the game, but if the gunner is good in 17s or 24s, don't count on getting through that wall of lead. :salute
LTARecon
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Easiest planes to shoot down are:
That's only because most inexperienced pilots fly them, but if you meet someone who knows what there doing each one of thous aircraft will give you a really hard time. [/list]
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Ar234s are surprisingly tough.
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Hardest plane to kill: A warping one.
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I have the ultimate answer: the one that has not even spawned on the runway yet! Top that...
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I have the ultimate answer: the one that has not even spawned on the runway yet! Top that...
No, Hangers are easy to kill.... :D
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The aircraft which usually have me thinking WTF after i nail them, and they fly away blisfully unaware that anything has hit them are: -
B-26 - seems incredibly tough, too tough in my opinion
F6F
F4F/FM2
P-38 - usually it just loses pieces, smokes different colours from various places, turns into a single engined aircraft.
You cannot kill its rear gunner.
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I find the F4Us to be quite tough they seem to absorb quite abit of damage before they go down, I also sometimes struggle trying to hit a C2
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No, Hangers are easy to kill.... :D
Darn I have been topped! LOL :lol
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Hardest plane to kill: A warping one.
That tops them all. i can wast so much of my dam time tring to kill them. even when there are 10 of us after one of them.
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What do you mean by hardest? Are we factoring in maneuverability and speed, or are we looking just at durability?
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The ones with bark and leaves are pretty tough.
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The ones with bark and leaves are pretty tough.
Whoa buddy you ain't kidding! I thought I had one beat last night but it jumped up and nailed me Sonny Bono style! OUCH...
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the Yak is a small target and it can take alot of punishment. After that it would have to be the FW190-D9. One theory I think about is the speed of the target. Something very fast that is pulling away from you will receive slightly less lethal hits than something that is closing with you head on, increasing the impact speed. Small differences (if indeed the ballistics are modeled that well). I think it can swing the balance at times. Doras and Yaks are always pulling away from me.
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That's only because most inexperienced pilots fly them, but if you meet someone who knows what there doing each one of thous aircraft will give you a really hard time.
The spitfire is easy to kill because of its flimsy wings.
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Hard to Kill:
(http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/ny/4-1-snoopy1.jpg)
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the one behind me shooting the poop outta me. :cry
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the one behind me shooting the poop outta me. :cry
I was thinking the same thing :)
200 out behind me and I didn't see him til the first rounds already hit. Tough to kill that guy as I'm falling in pieces :)
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IL2
P-38 (that thing seems to take the most punishment and damage, but you can put more lead into an IL2.)
Typhoon
P-39Q
190D
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IL2
P-38 (that thing seems to take the most punishment and damage, but you can put more lead into an IL2.)
Typhoon
P-39Q
190D
you've obviously not fought me in my 38's. i think the crewchief gives me the defective ones. :rofl :aok
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Yeah when I fly a 38 I always seem to get the one Corky just "landed"
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Don't forget the A8. Tough as nails.
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I was thinking the same thing :)
200 out behind me and I didn't see him til the first rounds already hit. Tough to kill that guy as I'm falling in pieces :)
Since when you let ppl get on your six, especially with in 200?
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Since when you let ppl get on your six, especially with in 200?
As someone's who's positive K/D relies solely on Dan being in the arena it happens quite a lot. :)
I actually ran the numbers over a 4-5 month span once and my K/D and K/S went up and down right along side the number of sorties that Dan flew that month. :)
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There's hardest to HIT, and hardest to KILL..
hardest to HIT, for me, are K4's and Yaks
As for the kill part...IL2's soak up 50's...rarely kill them without a 2 second+ sustained burst
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Since when you let ppl get on your six, especially with in 200?
Taking this a bit seriously are we Major Oaktree? :)
I'm still looking for someone to promote me from Permanent Latrine Orderly :aok
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Taking this a bit seriously are we Major Oaktree? :)
I'm still looking for someone to promote me from Permanent Latrine Orderly :aok
LOL, every time i fight against you i am the one all shot up. You are a good stick, i has seen you out number and still make kills.
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Im chaging mine to the IL2 strong10 kill me 262 with one today, lol. :)
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After last night, it seems that all of them are hard to kill...I finished the night with 17 assists and 8 kills. :mad: Most of the time I have a hard time shooting and killing:
1. Yak's
2. 262
3. Hurri's
4. Il2's
5. B-17's
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(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh272/seeyasauce/Ace%20Pilot%20Autographs/scan0025.jpg)
Hardest to Kill? The one with a better Pilot. :aok
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you've obviously not fought me in my 38's. i think the crewchief gives me the defective ones. :rofl :aok
That's what happens when you try to recycle Corky's 38s. Better off just throwing them in the junk pile... :noid
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Any plane that dives to friendlies then circles ack is the hardest to hit.
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As for my list:
Durability
1. F4F/FM-2. The amount of damage the Wildcat can soak up and STILL keep flying (if not fighting) is insane.
2. Il-2. Needs a good concentrated burst, especially from machine guns or lighter cannon. However the fact that it's not hard to GET that good, sustained burst sort of mitigates that. Nevertheless, you're not going to bring one down by a snapshot.
3. F4U. Corsairs can take a serious beating and keep flying. Even cannon may need more than a snapshot unless you get a very luck shot that clips the tail feathers. I've also cheated quite a few guys out of kills after losing half a wing. That outer wing panel is really the Corsair's one weak spot.
4. 190s. Like the Corsair, 190s can endure a pretty healthy pounding. I will say the Dora is easier to knock out of action because of its liquid-cooled engine. I generally expect to need a good second or so burst to break off something important. Like the Il-2, though, the 190 generally isn't too hard to get that sustained shot needed to take them out.
Hard to Hit (I am NOT counting the 262 or 163)
1. A6M. The Zeke has a frustrating capability of dodging out of your sights right as you get lined up for a shot.
2. F4F/FM-2. The Wildcat's small size and good maneuverability makes her a REAL pain just to hit.
3. Spitfires. Like the Zero and F4F, the Spitfire's size and maneuverability can make her a difficult target
4. Ki-84. Ditto.
Overall
1. F4F/FM-2. Its combination of small size, maneuverability and freakishly rugged airframe makes the Wildcat IMO the toughest fighter in the game to bring down.
2. F4U. Although a big aircraft, the Corsair's maneuverability and rugged construction means she can evade a lot of what gets thrown at her, and soak up the rest. The only real weak point is the outer wing panel.
3. Ki-84. Although not as tough as the Corsair and Wildcat, the Ki-84 can still take a pounding. Her exceptional maneuverability makes her an incredibly difficult target to hit.
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i didn't think that spits where all that hard. However, i have seen spit 8 take a beating.
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The one with the pilot doing this.
(http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/LIQ/LIQ111/retro-woman-stirring_~vl0006b029.jpg)
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i didn't think that spits where all that hard. However, i have seen spit 8 take a beating.
If you're refering to my post read it again. I said the Spits can be tough to HIT, not that they can take a beating.
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The one with the pilot doing this.
(http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/LIQ/LIQ111/retro-woman-stirring_~vl0006b029.jpg)
you have trouble killing pile-its wearing hi heels and skirts? :D :noid
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you have trouble killing pile-its wearing hi heels and skirts? :D :noid
LOL I wish I had this problem more often!!! :x
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you have trouble killing pile-its wearing hi heels and skirts? :D :noid
When fighting Bish and Rook...yes.
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When fighting Bish and Rook...yes.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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They didn't call it the Grumman Ironworks for no reason; F4F/FM2/F6F.
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you've obviously not fought me in my 38's. i think the crewchief gives me the defective ones. :rofl :aok
Well, I mean, when I do take them down, it usually takes a pretty good amount of time unless I'm diving on them, and they're AFK. They're definitely not like other A/C where you can just give them a short burst, and leave 'em. Usually, it takes 2 or 3 long bursts of 4 .50s from my 39 (unless I hit 'em with the 37 of course). The first usually does either nothing, or radiator, 2nd, is radiator/engine/flap or aileron. The 3rd will either make it blow up, or cause enough damage for it to go down.
38s have always given me the most trouble when it comes to killing them, it's a good combination of the pilot flying them, and their ruggedness. :salute
Also, my best fights have usually been in a 38, or against a 38.
:salute
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Well, I mean, when I do take them down, it usually takes a pretty good amount of time unless I'm diving on them, and they're AFK. They're definitely not like other A/C where you can just give them a short burst, and leave 'em. Usually, it takes 2 or 3 long bursts of 4 .50s from my 39 (unless I hit 'em with the 37 of course). The first usually does either nothing, or radiator, 2nd, is radiator/engine/flap or aileron. The 3rd will either make it blow up, or cause enough damage for it to go down.
38s have always given me the most trouble when it comes to killing them, it's a good combination of the pilot flying them, and their ruggedness. :salute
Also, my best fights have usually been in a 38, or against a 38.
:salute
The thing I notice most with the P-38s is that they're only DECEPTIVELY large, and much smaller targets than you would think because of the configuration. Shots that would be sawing the tail off most opponents just end up passing through that big gap between the booms, so you almost have to lead them more than other aircraft during deflection shooting.
The fact the P-38 has two of a number of components means that snapshots that would cripple or be outright fatal to most opponents (engine, radiator, vertical stabilizer) the 38 can limp away from. Most of my 38 kills either come from cockpit shots or destroying the horizontal stabilizer.
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I'm game to go fly a friendly practice in the DA if you'd like to test out some ideas on a 38.
The biggest weakness on many 38s is the ice machine. It is downstairs. So if you time it right and catch the pilot refilling his blender.... well.....
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Me 262, you can't really catch up to one unless you catch one taking off, low and slow, or landing.
Ar 234, same reason except you can catch one if you dive on it but you only get one pass.
P-47N, you make one solid pass on it (would kill most planes) and fly away and then your screwed if you don't watch your back.
B26, smaller faster B17, smaller makes it harder to hit and it only cut 2 guns out from the B17, and hey, it has 6 forward firing .50's that will ruin your day.
P-38 if a good pilot is flying it, it is just a hand full to fight, and I'm not an expert.
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Shots that would be sawing the tail off most opponents just end up passing through that big gap between the booms,
The fact the P-38 has two of a number of components means that snapshots that would cripple or be outright fatal to most opponents (engine, radiator, vertical stabilizer) the 38 can limp away from. Most of my 38 kills either come from cockpit shots or destroying the horizontal stabilizer.
:lol Your right about having bullets travel right through the gap in the booms. If your aims not on that's what will happen. I've been having a lot of fun hunting P-38's down in my Ki lately. Think I got about 15 of them so far.
(http://www.nvo.org/library/lib39/P38.GIF)
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The thing I notice most with the P-38s is that they're only DECEPTIVELY large, and much smaller targets than you would think because of the configuration.
It also has a small profile for such a 'large' fighter.
ack-ack
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:lol Your right about having bullets travel right through the gap in the booms. If your aims not on that's what will happen. I've been having a lot of fun hunting P-38's down in my Ki lately. Think I got about 15 of them so far.
(http://www.nvo.org/library/lib39/P38.GIF)
Still waiting to find you co-alt :)
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It also has a small profile for such a 'large' fighter.
ack-ack
I think that was more or less the point I was trying to convey. ;)