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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: EDO43 on August 17, 2001, 11:16:00 AM
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We've got the P38 and Ju88 but how about some others like the Mosquito Mk VI, Beaufighter, Gekko, Betty w/Torpedo and Ohka option for carrier destruction? Fast recon planes like the F5, Ki-46 Dinah or it's bomber destroyer version? Lets not forget the luftwobbles and inlcude the Me110,210,410, He 219? The P-61, P-70 (A20 havoc) Previously mentioned B25G/H or a gunship D/J. Let's limit it to planes that actually saw combat.
For the night time, make the radar equipped night fighters available with operational radar in addition to the arena radar so it's easier to find the aircraft during the dark of night. Let the target aircraft be illuminated when within a certain cone of radar coverage/range; I'm thinking appx 3k and closer.
Anyone else think that might be fun?
EDO43
XO Flying Circus
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Some of the most kewl ww2 planes were twin engined...
He-219...Me410...Me110...Mossie, Beaufighter (much talk about the Mosquito but I like the BFighter looks MUCH MORE), Pe-2, Tu-2, B25,A-20, A-26...
And the japanese ones too but I simply dont know their names :D
I simply drool thinking in the Me410, and the ME110 will be great too. CT use, baby :)
Bring em on!
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I second this motion.
Start with Me110 , then P-61 then the Japanese one..and then the A-20 :D :D :D
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Yep, I love twins.
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Ya know I saw some pictures of a <censored> that Nate was working on last nite at the HTC office. It will be pretty cool once we get the <censored> in the game.
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come on...why does every one ignore the a-26 ;)
one of the of the best twins in the second world war IMO
ya i saw it on your list ram :) (but it was LAST on your list)
come on isn't she sexy :)
(http://www.airventure.de/noseartpics/Douglas%20A%2026%20B%20Invader%20Sugarland%20Express_2.JPG)
(http://www.airventure.de/noseartpics/Douglas%20A%2026%20B%20Invader%20Sugarland%20Express.JPG)
8 .50's in the nose and 3 in each wing <BG>
14 rockets and 2-3K bomb load :D
[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: pugg666 ]
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I didn't list the A26 cause those of us from AWIII had A26's crammed up the ying yang and are like me, tired of seeing them. I personally wouldn't mind the A26 gun nose but only after all the other twins are implemented and with a realistic performance unlike the twin engined A26 fighter from AWIII. :o
the A26 is just too "common" IMO
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the A26 is just too "common" IMO
it might have been common in awIII, but if they model it properly here it shouldn't be that common. if i remember correctly the hard nose version didn't have a bomb sight.
it would be just like any other jabo plane...only slower at altitude.
and yes i don't want the soft nose version...we don't need a fast light/medium bomber with .50 defensive turrets.sure it has less defensive guns than a b-26, but it's what? about 60-70 MPH faster...that would compensate for thwe lower amount of guns i think....opinions
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I am hoping for a twin-engined fighter/bomber next release, and I would like to see some early/mid war versions (39-42) implemented first. 110, Mossie(?), Beauf comes first to mind....
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Love to see the BEAUFIGHTER.. alas I doubt it will be modelled +(
Skurj
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Mosquito FB.VI Series 2 is from 1943, mid war. :D
Skurj,
I'm afraid that the Mossie FB.VI is going to have a struggle to be useful in the MA with the current planeset, the Beaufighter would be nigh useless in the MA. Sorry bud, but its just too slow. I think the Beaufighter could find a place in the CT, but I think that the Mosquito FB.VI should be modeled first due to its greater usefulness.
I think that the Mosquito FB.VI Series 2, the Me410A-1 and the Ki102b would make great additions.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
the Beaufighter would be nigh useless in the MA.
I totally disagree.
I've managed to attack Fleets loaded with cap in a Ju88, which means a Beau could more than easily do it as well. This is after all it's primary role, Anti-shipping, but would also make a usefull a/c in the attack role. The advent of a 'convoy' element would make the Beaufighter the primary aircraft to use in combating this menace.
I personally would like to see the 410, Beaufighter Mk21, A-20.
Tronski
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/BeauII.jpg)
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/pic-beau.jpg)
...the whispering death
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Unfortunately the Mk.21 couldn't carry a torpedo(did have a rack for a 2000lb bomb though :)), so there would have to be a T.F.X or similar if you want a torpedo with your Beaufighter.
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Beaufighter and Mosquito are a couple of my favourite WWII planes... bring them on! :)
I would also like the see the Bf110 & 410, B25, A20 (French markings?), A26, Whirlwind, Pe2... and some Japanese ones too :)
Regards
Nexx
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Originally posted by juzz:
Unfortunately the Mk.21 couldn't carry a torpedo(did have a rack for a 2000lb bomb though :)), so there would have to be a T.F.X or similar if you want a torpedo with your Beaufighter.
I understood the Mk21 was based on the TFX but with Australian modifications (such as the .50 cals and the 2000lb rack) , and also retained it's ability to deliver a torp.
However I'm sure that 'when' :D the Beau is delivered to AH, that various variants or their respective bomb loads could be made avail. ie for the Mk21/TFX etc
Appropriately RAAF marked of course :)
Tronski
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Yeah I though about what Karnak said, and then I realized, without the Beau, the RAF have NO torpedo planes. Sure the allies did use a limited # of TBM's, and swordfish, but noone is gonna give us a Tarpon, and the swordfish would be just a big waste o time without a scenario. The Beau would have a purpose, especially with the convoys coming +) The Beau would make a better attack plane than the JU also. (of course the mossie would rate well there as well)
SKurj
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pugg666 said:
8 .50's in the nose and 3 in each wing <BG>
14 rockets and 2-3K bomb load <biggrin.gif>
Don't forget that the top turret could be aimed dead-ahead and then the two turret .50's could be fired by the pilot with the nose guns.
That would be ten .50's in the nose, six in the wings :D
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Beaufighter Mk.21 was based on the TF.X but had more powerful engines as well as the 4 x .50s replacing the 6 x .303s.
Out of the Beaufighters this is the one I'd most like, but a TF.X would do nicely either way (Scotland based one :) ).
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/gallery/beausattack640.jpg)
Regards
Nexx
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Eh?
Fahgedabout the Beau.
Get yer noses out of yer books folks.... Torps don't sink CVs in Aces High. Sure.... they could (and should), but it's practically an art and well, lets be realistic about it. Doesn't happen unless ya banzaiieee yer torp into the side of a boat. For better or for worse, people just aint interested in honing that particular skill. And be honest - nobody here waving the Beau flag is gonna be in the TA learnin how to torp. It's academic is all.
Mossies had torps though. Plus a bunch of other goodies and stuff. They also were a heck of alot faster than Beaus and instead of 4 50's, they had 4 20's and then some. It would be rediculous to model a Beau before the Mossie. Nobody would touch a Beau save the release day curiosity spin around the block. And at that they wouldn't make it 1/2 way around the block before gettin' slapped silly and succumbing to a firey death.
If you want a twin engine fighter/attack aircraft you are begging for the Mossie it is just that simple.
Eh!
[ 08-19-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
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Originally posted by Nash:
Mossies had torps though. Plus a bunch of other goodies and stuff. They also were a heck of alot faster than Beaus and instead of 4 50's, they had 4 20's and then some.
A torpedo armed Mossie was the exception , not the rule.
Also, with the convoys coming the Beau will be an exceptional anti-shipping weapon.
Plus the Beau also has 4x20mm, and in the case of the Mk21: 4x.50cals + 1 rear firing machine gun + Rockets,Bombs etc. The Beau served in Pacific, Med, and European front line squadrons till the end of the war.
I think you tend to forget, not everyones into the hotrods of the skies..some actually like a little character with their A/c
Tronski
[ 08-19-2001: Message edited by: -tronski- ]
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Yup, 4 x 20mm AND 4 x.50s as in the case of the Beaufighter Mk21 (replacing the 6 x .303s of the TF.X). As for the Beaufighter Nightfighter, it didn't have to sacrifice any forward guns when installed with radar as compared to the Mosquito.
Regards
Nexx
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Yeah don't listen to me... I dunno why I said that. The Beau would be *awesome* to see in Aces High... I guess it's a side effect of wanting to see a particular plane so bad, that ya start talking nonsense. :)
The Mossie, the Beau... anything. I like seeing them all find their way in as eventually they no doubt will.
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Yup Beaufighters were great attack airplanes .... until there was aerial opposition. They were nearly useless in self defence against 109s and 190s as they were poor at turning and had only weak rear armaments at best. If you attack a convoy in a Beau, you had better have a lot of help in distracting the CAP.
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Anyone given any thought to a G4M Betty armed with a bakka bomb? Might be neat to commit suicide against a carrier although it would count as a death in the bomber column.
I propose that an individual could fly the Betty to it's intended target then transfer to the ohka (bakka bomb)via key control and launch against the carrier (or other installation). The Betty would then disappear (unless you've got a gunner joined as the Ohka pilot and you're the betty pilot) and the individual would be left piloting the winged bomb toward it's intended target.
If you hit a carrier and sink it, your reward would be 20-25 bomber perks. If you hit a hangar or other installation it would be much less; on the order of 3-5 perks. I'm thinking it would be similiar to a Lancaster hitting it with a 4,000 lb. bomb.
Flying the Ohka would not be an easy job as it is essentially a manned bomb with short stubby wings and tail. In order to get those 20-25 bomber perks, you would have to work pretty hard as those wings would rip off at a high speed. Then you really are a manned bomb without any control. You could be shot down by fast fighters as well. The ohka would have approximately a 1-7 mile range (depending upon the alt of the Betty at launch) at the most as it is unpowered.
An experiment in the spirit of the Kamikaze; only with a cyber reality twist. :)
The Betty can also be used as a conventional bomber and a torpedo bomber as are the Ju88 and TBM.
[ 08-20-2001: Message edited by: EDO43 ]
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EDO43,
Hitting with the Ohka would not be as hard as you make it out to be. It was not simply a manned bomb, it was a manned, rocket powered missle.
The hard part of the G4M2/Ohka combo would be getting the G4M2 into launcing range of your target, from there out the Ohka would be nearly unstoppable.
I agree that it would be neat, but I think that the combo would need to be a cheap bomber perk, say, about 5 points.
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My error...Rocket equipped :o
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Yeah!! more support for the Beau!!
I've got a top speed of around 325 mph for the beau at 15kft. That sound accurate?
I think the Beau would fit into the planeset as well or better than the JU and IL2.
Did the Beau ever get armed with anything like a 6lb gun?
SKurj
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Pugg, you also forgot the 20mm cannon right in the middle of those eight .50s. :D