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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Ripsnort on July 10, 2000, 12:34:00 PM
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'Twas one of the most manufactured A/C, shouldn't we have it?
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Yes, at some point. I surely would like to see some other countries with a bit more varied representation first... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I will fly it, believe me. I just would like to see a balance of choice in the MA.
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I think it is definate must-have.
BUT: I think we should wait till we have carriers to fly them from first.
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I am waiting on it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) , was what I read about as young boy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) "Flight Deck" by Rob White I beleive . Plus really want the dive bombers to go along with it .
Some might tell you we already have the Hog why have that ?
Well if P47 in AH tells ya anything , Hellcat should be a damn good . (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) IMO
cheers spro
[This message has been edited by airspro (edited 07-10-2000).]
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If Hellcats were modeled then EVERYONE, i mean EVERYONE, would fly it. How about releasing it at the same time as the ki-61 or the 84?
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I will give a vote for the F4F Wildcat but not the F6F Hellcat.
The US needs some old, outdated POSs, not more mid/late-war stuff. They're already the most advataged in the planeset.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Well, thing is if we get a decent Navy setup, then we would need more Navy planes...especially for scenarios. Then we'd end up needing more IJN planes as well.
Sorry, I'm just big on Naval Aviation (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Right on---i think we need an F6F bad...i dont care when we get it lets just get it pls (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ....
[F6F-Hellcat...you got my vote]
Lt.Jg.-puta-
VF-17 USN 8X
"The Jolly Rogers"
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I would rather have the lil fire plug FM-2. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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TBF Avenger!
-- Todd/DMF
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I'd like to see the F4F for scenarios and the F6F-3. We should also have a P-40 and some early jap zeros.
I'm sure it will all be taken care of in due time.
My vote for the next Japanese aircraft goes to the Ki-61, put the Ki-84 can go into some sort of hot rod pack along with the tempest and dora.
The Ki-102 Randy should be released with the B-25H-5 and Bf.110G, for those of use who are huge firepower freaks.
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Gota have it.
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i want the gall danged FM2 yea baby
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If you guys get the Wildcat, then HTC has to model it with the `Manually' operated landing gear. You guys are going to be tapping the keyboard for awhile after take off and before landing! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://www.devildogs.com/vmf111/sdsig2.gif)
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Sure. And you can go out and bend the trim tabs on your ride until it "feels right" in the other aircraft that didn't have trim controls in the cockpit. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Yeah that too!
I am really gonna hate it when they start modeling bug `splat' specs all over the windscreen! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I'll take any plane from the Ironworks when the Navy arrives in HTC. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I vote for Brewster Buffalo, now that the Yak-9 and La-5 is here.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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We have quite enough US fighters. Hellcat is not significantly more capable than F4U in any area of performance. Let's get some bombers, and more fighter types for the other countries.
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Funked, right now the F4U and A6M are the only carrier borne planes in the game.
If we do end up getting carriers in 1.04 it would be nice to have some planes to fly from them.
Of course, we need carriers before we'd have any need a Hellcat.
Which brings up another point. I hope the Ju88 will be able to carry two torpedoes on wing pylons.
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We had tentatively planned for ships and the perk plane system to be in 1.04, but have opted to delay that. Instead we want to use 1.04 as a smaller release to catch up on some unfinished items and add some more planes. The major items on the list for 1.04 is finishing up the feature set on the film viewer and the Ju 88 and Lancaster.
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<PUNT>
Gimmie an F6F, and a KI to shoot down (along with the A6M's we already have) with it!
Hamish out!
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The Hellcat, with the 20mm cannon, please.
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While I'll cheerfully accept whatever the Grapevine Gang puts on the menu, I do think that the Japanese, Italian and Russian planesets deserve a boost before any more US iron makes the scene.
With 6 countries represented, there's a huge catalog of possibilities. It's going to take some time.
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Out of curiosity, Why 20mm? how many F6F's really had them? i'll take it even with "just" 6 .50's myself, just because i would love to fly it in an HA or scenario's.
Hamish out!
Found a pic of an F6F-5 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://warbird.totavia.com/jpg/f6f-01.jpg)
Sweet!
[This message has been edited by Hamish (edited 08-02-2000).]
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Ya hellcat a good choice, anything from the war in the big blue is fine by me also.
Then we need a pacific message board and arena to go with it, I guess thats version 1.05 with carriers.
I think a pac only planeset will help dial in the flight models and may thin out the complaining a bit, adds a bit of realism IMO.
But anything from the war of the carriers will be welcomed by me, American or Japanese.
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As long as you can't land a B17 on a carrier deck, that's all I ask (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You know, like you could in AW? [gasp!]
No planes without arrestor hooks landing on carriers!
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Many of the F6F-5 variant had the inboard mgs replaced with 20mm hispanos. I don't know the exact number. Cannon armament should be an option when F6F-5 is modeled. USN was cannon friendly. ;-)
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If ya need cannons, just go the the F8F Bearcat and it's 4 20m's. The Tigercat would be nice too! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I'd like the F6F too though.
Mav
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No Mercy Asked, None Given, Just pass the ammo
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 07-30-2000).]
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Jack55-
Weren't those night fighters?
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Puttin my Plug in with Jihad...... The General Motors FM-2/F4F Wildcat. Sweetest little Jewel you'll ever Fly.
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Fighter C.O.
39th FS Cobra Squadron
35th FG 5th USAAF
The Red Raiders
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just go the the F8F Bearcat and it's 4 20m's
I thought the WWII era Bearcats were armed with x4 .50's, and that it wasn't until the Korean era aircraft that they started mounting 20mm's on them.
And the answer on the 20mm armed F6F Hellcat question. Yes, the Hellcat varients with x2 20mm's and x4 .50's, were the night fighters.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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LOL FastEddie.
Wildcat, the sweetest little jewel you'll ever DIE in. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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It's a good day to die....bring on the FM2. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
I thought the WWII era Bearcats were armed with x4 .50's, and that it wasn't until the Korean era aircraft that they started mounting 20mm's on them.
And the answer on the 20mm armed F6F Hellcat question. Yes, the Hellcat varients with x2 20mm's and x4 .50's, were the night fighters.
Hate to post without remembering the source of the dats, found it on web when looking up the F8F before i knew exactly what the F8F was. It mentioned the 4x 20mm for the f8f 1b, And the 4 12.7 mm were available on the f8f-1 i might be wrong going to look it up again.
Hamish
[This message has been edited by Hamish (edited 08-02-2000).]
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Found a diff source this time, but this is what it said:
The supreme radial-engined shipboard fighter design. Was too late for WWII. The F8F, a reaction on the continuous weight and size increases, combined a very powerful engine with an airframe that was small enough to be put on board of escort carriers. However, it had limited armament and short range. Despite the end of the war, 1266 were built. Some saw action with the French airforce in Inochina.
Type: F8F-1B
Function: fighter
Year: 1945 Crew: 1 Engines: 1 * 1566kW P&W R-2800-34W
Wing Span: 10.92m Length: 8.61m Height: 4.22m Wing Area: 22.67m2
Empty Weight: 3207kg Max.Weight: 5873kg
Max. Speed: 678km/h Ceiling: 11800m Max. Range: 3160km
Armament: 4*g20mm 2*b454kg
(http://warbird.totavia.com/jpg/f8f-01.jpg)
This is an F8F-2P (Recon version)
[This message has been edited by Hamish (edited 08-02-2000).]
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No F6F! The US Navy is already well represented in AH as it is! Maybe in the year 2002. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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From "The Complete Book of Fighters" by William Green & Gordon Swanborough. (FYI its the best "generic" all countries fighter aircraft book I have seen)
World War II ended before the F8F-1 achieved full operational status and contracts were immediately cut back. A total of 654 F8F-1's were delivered, these having an armament of four 0.5-in (12.7mm) machine guns
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 08-02-2000).]
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
[BAnd the answer on the 20mm armed F6F Hellcat question. Yes, the Hellcat varients with x2 20mm's and x4 .50's, were the night fighters.
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The night fighter varient was the F6F-5N?
My source for the cannon armament on the F6F-5 is the Navy web site below.
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/fighter.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/fighter.htm)
The way I read the F6F write-up was that early production had the 6 MGs, but the majority of the F6F-5 series had the two cannon and four MGs. Maybe most of the cannon Hellcats were post-war, or I'm getting the wrong read on the article.
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Thx for that link jack, was great reading, and it looked to me like it didn't specify that the 4x.50 2x20 mm versions of the F6F-5 were night fighters at all, all it said was that not all the F6F-3's already in the fleet had not been converted to the F6F-5 alterations. That doesn't mean that no F6F-5's came out of the factories (with or without 4X.50/2x20mm) and were sent to the fleet by then. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hamish!
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hehehe
A bit of a challenge then.
Show me a picture of a F6F-5 (WWII Era, no post war stuff) that has the 20mm's and doesn't have the radar unit on the wing.
Their very well may have been late production day fighters with the 20mm's, but they were definitely the minority and rare. Not the norm.
The Navy was the leaders of the different US Military Branchs, when it came to conversion to 20mm's over .50's. In fact if you read the minutes of the Joint Fighter Conference in late 1944 (I'm just now reading this excellent book), it will talk about that in great detail. But it also says that the first Navy day fighters to mount 20mm's and see introduction into combat were the F4U-1C's. And only 150 of them ever made it into service before the war ended.
Look at your own source guys (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
While the four cannon configuration didn't go into production a two cannon, and four gun armament could be fitted to later production F6F's and was carried by many F6F-5N's.
Which means that while the F6F-5's could have 20mm, it was many of the -5N's that did carry them.
It also says that the 20mm prototype didn't even fly until April 1944, so extrapolate that out to production versions, and how many of the total production could even have potentially carried the 20mm cannon version.
Don't get me wrong guys. In AH I would like to see the 20mm's as one of the armament options. Just dont' fool yourselves into thinking that there were very many of them (other than the Nightfighters) that saw service in the war. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Put me down for the F6 too. I want a plane known to HANG ONTO IT'S FARGING WINGS!!!!
I won't mention the name of the fighter that sheds wings like dandruff (P51 MUSTANG) so you will all have to guess what pony, erre plane I am talking about. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
If at all possible the F6F with the cannon would be WONDERFULL. Lets get some good red blooded American Iron in there with CANNON. Please, pretty please OH GAWD REALLY PLEASE!!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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No Mercy Asked, None Given, Just pass the ammo
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 08-03-2000).]
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
hehehe
Show me a picture of a F6F-5 (WWII Era, no post war stuff) that has the 20mm's and doesn't have the radar unit on the wing.
I wouldn't know a war time photo from a post war photo unless it was clearly marked, and I don't have access to a lot of photos. The three view line drawing in the source I mentioned shows the cannon option with no radardome shown, and it is explicitly labeled. The ordnance description box on the following page lists the cannon armament with a note that some planes had a 6 MG armament. The line drawing and the ordnance description is in a section titled, "STANDARD AIRCRAFT CHARACTERISTICS F6F-5 'HELLCAT'" It also says that service started in 1944.
Maybe most of the cannon armed F6F-5 flew post war. I don't know.
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am I the only one here who would rather have 6 .50's instead of 4 20mm? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I'd love to see the Hellcat in Aces High as I'm sure it will be in due time, but all talk of cannons, I dunno, maybe I'll start a crusade of planesets not based on country numbers but on armament. I can see it now, whole threads whining not about how this country has X number of planes vs. this country, but about how the game only has 4 all MG armed planes vs. the overmodeled facist cannon regime that has brainwashed the population into following it's sinister agenda. hehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<removes tongue from cheek>
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This is a little of topic, but doesn't the F8F hold the worlds fastest piston engine airplane speed. I seem to remember somethin in Guiness Book of World Records 'bout it reaching 525 mph in level flight. This is of course stripped down and modifying the engine "just a little bit." Does anyone else know?
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Meine Schwester hat keine kartoffel salat! Du bist eine lustige Buba!!!
"My sister has no potato salad! You are a delightful knave (naughty boy?)!!!"
...definitely a case of "losing something in the translation"...
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Originally posted by Mattibaby80:
This is a little of topic, but doesn't the F8F hold the worlds fastest piston engine airplane speed. I seem to remember somethin in Guiness Book of World Records 'bout it reaching 525 mph in level flight. This is of course stripped down and modifying the engine "just a little bit." Does anyone else know?
P-47, modified, 504 mph level flight.
The F8F holds a time to climb record I believe, followed in mere seconds by the F2G.
- Jig
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I believe Daryl Greenameyer holds the world's speed record for piston aircraft. He did it in a highly modified F8F back in the 70s. It was previously set in 1939 by another highly modified aircraft, the Me109. This was a prototype of Willy Meshershmidt's, not a production Bf109.
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Kick the tires, light the fire, first up is Lead, breif on Guard!
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Damned RLM! The He 100 V8 was faster than the Me 209, and broke the existing record(held by an Italian seaplane) before it.
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> juzz
> Damned RLM! The He 100 V8 was faster than
> the Me 209, and broke the existing
> record(held by an Italian seaplane) before
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Yep, another Macchi :-) It (the Macchi) still holds the record for seaplanes...50+years later :-)
MC202
Dino in Reno