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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Suave1 on January 15, 2001, 08:00:00 AM
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What do you think was the lousiest fighter plane in wwII , and why ? The boulton paul defiant, breda 65, c714 ? The floor is now open to wild allegations .
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any of the early war italian fighter planes. UNderarmed planes with underpowered engines used against 1940 technology. And even some of them were biplanes (CR32, CR42...)
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The Fairey Battle was far poorer than the Boulton-Paul Defiant.
A Defiant squadron STILL holds the record for number of enemy aircraft shot down in one day.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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I thought Nath posted a real POS. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) No really I would say the poor guy that flew the Fairey Fulmar. Big, slow, and out of date thinking behind the design. Example of it's being totally out classed by its foe was in early 1942. The Japanese threatened Ceylon. They sent 2 squadrons of Fulmars out to intercept. The Zero's completly out classed them and almost all were shot down. Or maybe the poor guy that had to fly the PZL P-11 against the Bf 109 in Poland. A 242mph, 2 .303 machine gun plane that was the last of the line of design that still was trying to be a biplane. It was a high gull-wing plane with fixed landing gear. Open cockpit. How would it feel to have 20mm rounds whizzing past your head with nothing between you and it but your leather flight helmet. No thank you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Think I'd have to go with the Fairey Battle. They were slaughtered! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Regards
Nexx
[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 01-15-2001).]
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Doh
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Yes but it was a light bomber, not a fighter .
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How about the Devastor?
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Don't knock PZL 11 - that puppy can outturn zeke in a heatbeat. Good luck getting a lead with those MM/FG "horrible velocity/trajectory" guns on one of those.
Btw, PAF held 1:1 K/D ratio throughout the September Campaign.
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BRING PLZ 11 to AH !!!
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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My vote goes to the Breda Ba.65
"The embarassing superiority of the C.R.32quater over its supposedly more modern monoplane contemporary was underlined on August 4, 1940. At 5 p.m. that day, six Ba.65s of the 159a Squadriglia, led by Capitano Dell'Oro, attacked British vehicles at Bir Taib el Esem, while six Fiat C.R.32s of the 160a Squadriglia, led by Fanali, waited 3,000 feet above to follow up their strike. The Bredas were about to make their third and last strafing run when they encountered a Westland Lysander of No. 208 Squadron, escorted by four Gloster Gladiator biplane fighters of No. 80 Squadron, flown by Flight Lt. Marmaduke T. St.J. Pattle, Flying Officers Peter G. Wykeham-Barnes and John Lancaster and Sergeant Rew. The Gladiators promptly attacked the Bredas, Pattle and Wykeham-Barnes downing two of them. At that point, however, the C.R.32s dove on the British fighters, claiming three of the Gladiators. The fourth Gladiator, flown by Lancaster, was damaged but returned to its base. Pattle actually escaped the C.R.32s only to encounter three more Bredas and 12 Fiat C.R.42s, the latter of which shot him down after a 15-minute fight."
Rescued from gladiators and westland lysanders by cr32's . I think we have a weiner .
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I thought I read on these boards that it was the pilot that mattered and not the plane?
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Suave1 said:
> My vote goes to the Breda Ba.65
......neat story snipped............
> Rescued from gladiators and westland lysanders by cr32's . I think we have a weiner.
Yep that was a dog. The AMIOT 143 also fits the subject title.
Where did the story quote come from???
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
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What about later-war P.O.S planes?
I think the P-40N counts as a POS; it had unspectacular performance, practically no range, and a distinct lack of quality workmanship.
The B6N also deserves to be labeled as a POS, it was barely any better than the B5N it replaced and was entirely inadequate.
The Me-163 deserves to be considered a POS too, because it was dangerous for the person operating it and would make a P-40N look like a long-range fighter. Planes which explode upon landing aren't good planes.
The Japanese G4M bomber series certainly counts as a total POS, too (althogh it isn't a late-war plane). Known as the "Type 1 lighter", they were good at 1 thing--blowing up. In fairness, though, it wasn't Mitsubishi's fault, but rather an overambitious design requirement.
The ultimate POS plane, however, is NOT a WW2-era airplane. Heck, it doesn't even have propellers and will never be modeled in AH.
The ultimate flying POS ever made is the B-2 Stealth Bomber. This plane is a joke. Even if it WASN'T a legandary "hangar queen", it would STILL be a total joke.
At more than a BILLIONdollars per plane, it is SO expensive that the Air Force is literally afraid to use them for fear of losing them. What good is an airplane you're afraid to use? As a result,the backbone of Air Force bombing is a mix of fighter aircraft and 40-year-old B-52's.
Plus the bearded lady as the circus freakshow looks better than this butt-ugly oxymoron of a warplane.
J_A_B
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P-36 was the biggest POS that saw action in WW2. Heck, even BIPLANES could outperform it. So there!
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M.C.202, here is where I found that story .
http://www.thehistorynet.com/WorldWarII/articles/11962_cover.htm (http://www.thehistorynet.com/WorldWarII/articles/11962_cover.htm)
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Tac if you read that story I posted, the Ba.65 had to be defended from biplanes(gladiators, lysanders) by other biplanes (cr32, cr42) .Just look at the thing. It scored 0 air victories . It had the same armament as the 202 .
(http://www.accessweb.com/users/mconstab/ba65.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Suave1 (edited 01-16-2001).]
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Originally posted by Suave1:
Tac if you read that story I posted, the Ba.65 had to be defended from biplanes(gladiators, lysanders) by other biplanes (cr32, cr42) .Just look at the thing. It scored 0 air victories . It had the same armament as the 202 .
(http://www.accessweb.com/users/mconstab/ba65.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Suave1 (edited 01-16-2001).]
Now that's an A#1POS. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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hahahahahaha thats a flying crap muncher!
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I think we should petition HTC to model it .
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Suave1 said:
> M.C.202, here is where I found that story .
http://www.thehistorynet.com/WorldWarII/articles/11962_cover.htm (http://www.thehistorynet.com/WorldWarII/articles/11962_cover.htm)
Thanks. I had hopes that blame for that dog could be shifted to the French somehow, but no luck :-)
The CR 32 and CR42 were not nearly as bad. The kill/loss ratio was not as out of line as you
might think, up till late 41 early 42 that is...
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
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Yeah the french made some damn crappy planes too .