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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: gatt on July 14, 2000, 12:52:00 AM
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Bring on the G.55 "Centauro". A very good 1943 design. Engined with the DB605A she had good handling and performance above 20K (you'll see italians above clouds then). Max speed about 630Kph at 23K, time to 6,000mt was 7'12", minimum speed was 163Kph.
Armament was 3x20mm Mauser MG151-20 and 2x12,7mm Breda-SAFAT. A very good high alt interceptor.
Luftwaffe test pilots found her the best italian fighter during february 1943 combat test between the C.205V, C.205N, G.55, Re.2005, Bf109G-4, FW190A-5.
Not so different from the C.205V, should be not hard to paint her quickly. Moreover, PYRO has good references and the flight manual (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/G.55.jpg)
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Cool plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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OK Gatt, I vote for the Centauro, since you voted for my Dora (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Cya
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So it has 2 wing(root?) 20mm and a spinner 20mm?..
How much ammo?
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Yes, G55 should be the next Italian fighter. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Looks good to me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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Holdon a minute I for one don't want Gatt in that on my arse. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)naye (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)well ok (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Pongo,
she had 2x20mm in the wings (200+200 rounds) like the C.205V, 1x20mm in the nose (250 rounds) and 2x12,7mm in the upper cowlings (300+300 rounds).
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More I'm informed about the Italian iron in WW2...the more curious I get. It would seem to me that the 205 is an improvement in all area's on the 109...the performance edge to the 109 all revolving around the power plant used. Would it have been possible to use the same engine in the 205 that the G10 had (with md50 or whatever it had). Now it appears that the G.55 is possibly superior to the 205 (is that an accurate statement?)
Why didn't the germans put them in service in greater numbers if so?
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Nice questions Humble.
Actually, the G.55 was better than the C.205V above 20-22K. The main reason was the lower wing-load: 175,5Kg/sq.mt for the G.55 and 194,5Kg/sq.mt. for the C.205V.
Probably the G.55 airframe was more modern and streamlined (remember that C.205V's fuselage/wing were the same of the older C.202 "Folgore").
Luftwaffe was so interested in the G.55 becouse they needed a good high-alt interceptor (USAF was ready to launch from UK). The G.55 was indeed much better than the /R variant of the Bf109G. Moreover they planned to mount the new DB603 on the G.55. The G.55 was the only italian fighter ready to mount that powerful engine without modifications of the fuselage:
In february 1943 the Germans sent a large commission headed by Lieutenant Colonel Petersen to Guidonia with a view to possible industrial agreements. During the interesting comparative trials wich took place at the airport near Rome, the G.55 was not bettered by the well tried and prestigious Bf109G-4 and FW190A-5. In fact it surpassed them in terms of ease of handling and climbing ability, causing a certain surprise among the LW tecnicians, who expressed more than flattering opinions on the italian machine.
Lieutenant Colonel Petersen was so impressed by the performances of the G.55 that he didnt hesitate to define it "the best fighter in the Axis". Moreover he immediately telegraphed Goering to give him his impressions.
That caused the forwarding of a formal request to FIAT for three complete airframes of the G.55, while the Luftwaffe itself would supply three DB603 engines.
With typical german efficiency the operation was carried out at great speed as confirmation of the of the extreme interest the German ally had in the "Centauro". The German Air Force Ministry invited Professor Gabrielli and the best FIAT technicians to Germany to study technical solutions connected to the production of airframes.
The Germans had planned to equip their own G.55s with the DB603 (1,750hp) engine ...
When at the beginning of 1944 the FIAT G.56 (the DB603 engined G.55, that is) was finally ready, it was tested in flight by Commander Valentino Cus and reached more than 700Kph at 23K. It showed excellent flight characteristics as well.
Eventually the Germans had to give secondary importance to the "Centauro" because of:
- the worsening of the Axis situation,
- the worsening of relationships between Germany and Italy,
- the USAF and RAF bombing of factories in Northern Italy and Germany.
The G.56 could be a nice perk plane indeed ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 07-17-2000).]
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To the perks pls.
Fariz
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To the perks pls.
You mean the G.56, right? IMHO the G.55 fills the gap left by the C.205V above 20-22K ... with some more firepower ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I understand we need other fighters before the "Centauro". First of all the Dora (I dont want Hristo angry on my tail), then some late Spit, Hellcat, La-7, Tempest .... Ki-100? Well, I can wait (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 07-27-2000).]
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Sorry, double post.
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 07-17-2000).]
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Sounds good to me! Looks like another good Axis plane and an Italian one at that! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If the G.55 is a 1943 design I'd think it would fit into the current set nicely. My understanding is that the "perk" planes will be those that were never in actual combat service for one reason or another...bearcat etc. I'd like the king cobra added to set as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Now that's a good looking plane!
Mox
TWC
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I agree whit you Gatt the G55 is the aircraft we need to fill the gap from Axis and Allied fighter above 20k
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Humble, more than 2000 KingCobras saw combat with the VVS.
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Fabrika6,
if PYRO will model the G.55 you wont see any wing-gondolas armed Bf109G around (Humm, maybe only the G-10/R). Moreover, the G.55 ammo load is HUGE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (250+200+200 cannon rounds)
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I prefer this airplane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://digilander.iol.it/rikiber/assets/images/re2005s.jpg)
http://digilander.iol.it/rikiber/ (http://digilander.iol.it/rikiber/)
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That's a pretty plane, but it was plagued by structural problems. The G55 and C205V were better planes overall IMHO.
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I agree Kieren,
moreover, after official trials it has not been choosen neither from Regia Areonautica nor by Luftwaffe. It had also production problems.
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 07-26-2000).]
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Teccniche information die G55-MC205-N1-RE2005
(http://digilander.iol.it/rikiber/assets/images/compg55-205-2005.jpg)
Salute all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
http://digilander.iol.it/rikiber/ (http://digilander.iol.it/rikiber/)
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Looks like they are all prototypes (1942 a/c that is, look at the armament). But the G.55's climb data match perfectly with those of the 1947 official manual (of a 3x20mm and 2x12,7mm armed G.55). IMHO, G.55's data are the only reliable.
Moreover Nino Arena (the author of the book: "I caccia della serie 5") is not considered a very reliable source in Italy. Too bad, becouse this is the only existing performance table of Series 5 fighters.
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GATT you have won, is better G55, but I prefer the RE2005 and one issue of heart (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ps:Spero per te che pyro ti regali altri 4 mesi gratis di account in AH te li sei meritati (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) WTG
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Al cuor non si comanda (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Sto cercando di mandar su materiale a più non posso, così mi guadagno un vitalizio (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Comunque, se e quando verrà il G.55 dovrà avere i colori del 1°Gruppo Caccia. Ma dovrete combatterci a più di 20K! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Would be nice to have the G.55 with 1°Gruppo Caccia "Asso di Bastoni" markings.
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Thanks to name of all the 1°GR Caccia "ASSO di BASTONI" for the colors of the airplane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ps:gia che ci sei non potresti chiedere a Pyro di fare una pacht dove ci si trova in volo gia a 20k,sai quanti soldi si risparmia in telefono (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)....per me è uno stress salire in alto,e stare un quarto d'ora a far niente (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)..e in più devi calcolare il trasferimento (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) sigh.sigh..penso che mi dedichero alla manutenzione dei field (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Gatt, Drago
I am really happy to read your polite debate.
Hope this to be the tomb stone of the past bad discussions.
WTG ITALIA
Ciao
Lucchini
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Yes the table above show the prototipe data of the serie 5 pubblied by N.Arena.
The c205 is the Orione a modified c205V for better high altitude performance but only 2 (not sure if more) were build.
The Re2005 in these tests show a very big nunmber of problem (one was the well know tail structural problem).
The G55 was almost ok, only little problem.
The production serie of the 2 planes was "clear" of bug, in the Re2005 still some strange rumors on the fusolage but any damage was found in the operative aircraft.
G55 in ANR was used in big nunbers with the 2nd Gruppo Caccia, only a few nunbers was used by the 1st Gruppo Caccia and the one they used were "proprety" of the 2nd Gruppo.
Sgt. Major A. Vezzani the pilot of the real 1st Gruppo Caccia that we have the pleasure to know flew whit both c205V and G55.
He was impressed of the stability and the performance of the G55 at high altitude, he say: "was an easy plane to fly, whit very good stability and manouvrability even though he was slower than the c205V"
PS: about Nino Arena, Gatt i know that, i have found a book writen from N.Arena that say A. Vezzani downed 4 planes (spits-B17,ecc. ).
When i have meet Vezzani he told me that he downed only 2 planes 1 B-24 and 1 P-38.
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Lets have the G55 in ANR markings, as It was a later war fighter, and was used by the Italian Pilots who decide to stay on the Axis side in WW2, so far NO FLIGHT SIM anywhere in the world has honoured them by modeling a fighter in their colours,
Marcof 249 RAF C-H-Q
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Hemmm little correction:
ANR pilots did not decide to stay whit the axis side, they decided to "salvare le citta' italiane" save italian's cityes.
Luftwaffe try a sabotage on the ANR and they failed, but this is a long story and my english is too poor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) .
regards
PS: 2nd Gruppo the one with the red devil head (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I see your point Visconit, depends which way you look at, however Iam not wanting to get envolved in WW2 Italian Politics, as this was a rather "Dark" period in Italian History,I still would like to see an ANR Plane nevertheless
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But is it reliable, and how fast will it rust.
As most italian stuff like Ducati, ferrari and Alfa Romeo. It's high performance stuff but needs a lot off maitenance :lol
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hehe, I had a Fiat Spider 1800- I hear what you are saying! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well the 55 wouldnt seem to be a Perk plane to me. Maybe the 56 would.
Bring on the 55!
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that's why i still drive my bug very reliable very german.
and if i have the money for a ferrari i would buy two porsches hehe.
check ur nuts !!
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This is way off-topic but ... Ducati and Ferrari stuff are really good. Other things are Fiat and Alfa-Romeo cars (after acquisition of the latter by Fiat, a national tragedy).
However, bring on the G.55. She's not a car, the engine is german as well as the 20mm cannon and, BTW, AH (thx GOD) doesnt model reliability (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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i guess they are made off aluminum so.
no rust thank god (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
and yep it's all fiat now unfortunally
but there is no engineering like german engineering i wish i could say it's dutch but it ain't hehe
i hope in the end all wo2 warplanes will be presented
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I've been adding my 2 cents to the kingcobra requests all along. it should be a part of the regular plane set IMO.